Gurnoor Brar

[Lord]

So what did we gain by playing Siraj and Prasidh over Gurnoor here?

[Manucrick]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

So what did we gain by playing Siraj and Prasidh over Gurnoor here?

Match drawn

[Suhaan]

Bharibojh in all probability may leapfrog 

These Devendrans,Pranav,Mayank,Tyagi all should leaveforSENA

[Manucrick]

13 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Bharibojh in all probability may leapfrog 

These Devendrans,Pranav,Mayank,Tyagi all should leaveforSENA

players with ipl paychecks don't even care look at avesh already getting a good payroll he doesn't have any responsibility to play for the national side or state side he is just ready for ipl and that's it but on the other side talented players like rajvardhan hangargekar don't even get picked by an ipl team and aren't regulars in state cricket either they should really think about leaving the country

[express bowling]

16 hours ago, Adamant said:

Sorry but what happened to the other pacers who you were supporting and hyping?

 

Chronologically, for the last 35 years, I have supported and hyped .... 

 

■  Srinath .. super special hype ( good career )

■  Ankola .. ( was interested in films )

■  Ashish Zaidi .. ( was never picked for India )

■  Agarkar ( good ODI career )

■  Zaheer ( good career )

■  Munaf .. special hype.  ( hid his age by 7 years as per his own submission, can't do anything about that )

■  Ishant  ( good career )

■  Umesh ( good career ) 

■  Aaron. 

■  Shami ..  special hype (  Indian ATG  )

■   Bumrah .. super special hype  ( ATG ) 

■  Nathu Singh.  

■  Saini.   

■  Siraj  ( good career )

■  Mavi.   

■  Prasidh ( started to do well )   

■  Umran  ( dropped unfairly )  

■  Sen  ( was ignored unfairly after minor injury )  

■  Mohsin .. ( SERIOUS health issues )

 

[  These last 7  pacers below are currently new and some of them will do well  ] 

 

■  Harshit 

■  Mayank .. special hype  

■  Gurnoor .. super special hype

■  Tyagi 

■  Ashok

■ Tarmale 

■  Devendran 

 

 

16 hours ago, Adamant said:

Prasidh ? Wayward and expensive
Avesh? Who?
Mohsin ? lol
Umran ?

 

Apart from Bumrah, Prasidh is the only capped test match pacer we have who is on an upward trajectory in tests. 

 

While he was wayward in his first 5 tests from late 2023 to mid 2025 ........ starting the 5th test in England 2025, Prasidh is bowling quite well.  Is averaging 22.4 with a SR of 38 with 18 wickets from these 4 tests. 

 

But he always was a support pacer whom I wanted to take Ishant's role in SENA tests. Never considered him lead pacer material. 

 

Avesh .....  I supported him briefly around IPL 2018 when he was bowling a really heavy ball. But soon saw that he was bowling 130 k in Ranji Trophy and was looking to take the easy way out.

 

Did not want him to play for India as a result. 

 

Mohsin .. He is an exceptional bowler. It is just sad that he had multiple clots in his upper bowling arm. Struggled with his health for a long time.

 

Better not to " lol " such a sad case.

 

Umran .. Had great potential as a white ball bowler as long as he was express. Was never interested in red ball cricket. Took 13 wickets from 10 ODIs and 11 wickets from 8 T20Is averaging 22.

 

Was unfairly dropped from LOIs.

 

 

16 hours ago, Adamant said:

We are not promoting inefficiency and mediocrity, we are inefficient and mediocre. You keep on changing names once your hyped players fall to the ground, this wont change reality bro.

 

Some of my hyped names have been exceptional like ....

 

Bumrah 

Shami 

 

Some of my hyped names have been good like ....

 

Srinath

Agarkar 

Zaheer

Ishant 

Umesh

Siraj

 

****  As I have shown above, only Aaron, Nathu, Saini and Mavi have been true failures among my hypes.

 

The number could have been far higher, given how injury prone pacers are.

 

 

16 hours ago, Adamant said:

 when the talent itself is subpar.

 

 

This is just not true.

 

 

Edited August 28 by express bowling

[Teengunalagaan]

6 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Chronologically, for the last 35 years, I have supported and hyped .... 

 

Srinath .. super special hype ( good career )

Ankola .. ( was interested in films )

Ashish Zaidi .. ( was never picked for India )

Agarkar ( good ODI career )

Zaheer ( good career )

Munaf .. special hype.  ( hid his age by 7 years as per his own submission )

Ishant  ( good career )

Umesh ( good career )

Aaron

Shami ..  special hype ( really good career )

Bumrah .. super special hype  ( ATG )

Nathu Singh

Saini

Siraj  ( good career )

Mavi

Prasidh ( started to do well ) 

Umran  ( dropped unfairly )

Sen  ( was ignored unfairly after minor injury )

Mohsin .. ( SERIOUS health issues )

 

[  These last 5 pacers below are currently new and some of them will do well  ] 

 

Tyagi .. 

Mayank .. special hype 

Gurnoor .. super special hype

Ashok 

Tarmale 

 

 

 

Apart from Bumrah, Prasidh is the only capped test match pacer we have who is on an upward trajectory in tests. 

 

While he was wayward in his first 5 tests from late 2023 to mid 2025 ........ starting the 5th test in England 2025, Prasidh is bowling quite well.  Is averaging 22.4 with a SR of 38 with 18 wickets from these 4 tests. 

 

But he always was a support pacer whom I wanted to take Ishant's role in SENA tests.

 

Avesh .....  I supported him briefly in IPL 2018 when he was bowling a heavy ball. But soon saw that he was bowling 130 k in Ranji Trophy and was looking to take the easy way out.

 

Did not want him to play for India as a result. 

 

Mohsin .. He is an exceptional bowler. It is just sad that he had multiple clots in his upper bowling arm. Struggled with his health for a long time.

 

Better not to " lol " such a sad case.

 

Umran .. Had great potential as a white ball bowler as long as he was express. Was never interested in red ball cricket. Took 13 wickets from 10 ODIs and 11 wickets from 8 T20Is averaging 22.

 

Was unfairly dropped from LOIs.

 

 

 

Some of my hyped names have been exceptional like ....

 

Bumrah 

Shami 

 

Some of my hyped names have been good like ....

 

Srinath

Agarkar 

Zaheer

Ishant 

Umesh

Siraj

 

****  As I have shown above, only Aaron, Nathu, Saini and Mavi have been true failures among my hypes.

 

The number could have been far higher, given how injury prone pacers are.

 

 

 

 

This is just not true.

It's a fallacy to think that everyone you back will/shall have a great career, sometime people succeed with limited talent, sometimes they fail with immense talent. A lot goes into making a player, supporting a talent is just one part of it. As fans you can only hope they succeed.

[tweaker]

6 minutes ago, express bowling said:

The number could have been far higher,

Then there is factors that how they are treated by coach, seniors.

 

This players have a group,or from same state team, IPL team.They are comfortable with each other.,ie Gurnoor,.

Then there are players who are outsider ie Aaquib who may not be recieved well from the coach,team mates etc.

 

This will effect the performance of players.

 

Tyagi was doing very well as a net bowlers on Australia tour.Most of the bowlers were getting injured.Even Natarajan played in that series.But Tyagi was ignored, he hit many seniors in net session.

Afterwards he was left to himself,was not able to even make a place in UP team .

 

There are many stories about pacers facing the wrath of coach,seniors .Atul Wassan, Vivek Razdan,Raju Kulkarni were never considered after their decent debut.

 

Srinath made his debut in 91 season but became regular only after Prabhar and Kapil retired 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Teengunalagaan said:

It's a fallacy to think that everyone you back will/shall have a great career, sometime people succeed with limited talent, sometimes they fail with immense talent. A lot goes into making a player, supporting a talent is just one part of it. As fans you can only hope they succeed.

 

Very true !

 

There are so many issues that can derail the career of a high potential pacer that we support.

 

....  Serious Injuries .. Mohsin

....  Recurring injuries .. Aaron, Mavi, Nagarkoti, Saini, Tyagi, Mayank

....  Other pacers blocking spots during best days .. Srinath 1991 / 92,  Siraj 2018 / 19

.... State team not picking .. Gurnoor, Prasidh 

.... Unfairly ignored .. Zaidi, Rakesh Patel

....  Unfairly forgotten after minor injury .. Sen

.... Unfairly dropped .. Umran 

....  Losing focus .. Mavi, Nathu, Munaf

....  Cutting pace to prolong lucrative IPL career .. Avesh, Munaf, Mavi

.... Massive Age fraud .. Munaf, Prince Yadav

 

 

 

 

Edited August 27 by express bowling

[tapandrun]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Very true !

 

There are so many issues that can derail the career of a high potential pacer that we support.

 

....  Serious Injuries .. Mohsin

....  Recurring injuries .. Aaron, Mavi, Nagarkoti, Saini

....  Other pacers blocking spots during best days .. Srinath 1991 / 92,  Siraj 2018 / 19

.... State team not picking .. Gurnoor, Prasidh 

.... Unfairly ignored .. Zaidi, Rakesh Patel

....  Unfairly forgotten after minor injury .. Sen

.... Unfairly dropped .. Umran 

....  Losing focus .. Mavi, Nathu, Munaf

....  Cutting pace to prolong lucrative IPL career .. Avesh, Munaf, Mavi

.... Massive Age fraud .. Munaf, Prince Yadav

 

 

 

 

 

if they had provided urman and sen similar support like avesh/mukesh , Ind could have developed them too for tests.

 

Sen is tall has energy efficient run-up and action bowls 140-150 kmph, bowls closer to wkt 

Umran could have been suited to Ind condition skiddy and fast 

 

 

[tweaker]

1 minute ago, tapandrun said:

if they had provided urman and sen similar support like avesh/mukesh ,

There was Irani trophy match in which Mukesh and Kuldeep were playing, Mukesh did well in 1st inning.and was selected.

 

Kuldeep took 8 wickets and was not considered.

 

[tapandrun]

4 minutes ago, tweaker said:

There was Irani trophy match in which Mukesh and Kuldeep were playing, Mukesh did well in 1st inning.and was selected.

 

Kuldeep took 8 wickets and was not considered.

 

 

Think mukesh was already picked , they just gave him pom for that game. This is right out of Ind selectors playbook.

 

To justify someones selection they will give them those awards over players who performed better. If they are trying to select someone from A sides thn what they do is that particular players will play all the games and other competitor will rotate so tht the player comes with better numbers like most runs/wkt for Ind-a in the tour.

 

 

Edited August 27 by tapandrun

[wanted_desi]

If you selected some DSP who is bowling at 125 kmph over this guy, you are either corrupt or blind or both. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, wanted_desi said:

If you selected some DSP who is bowling at 125 kmph over this guy, you are either corrupt or blind or both. 

They are now trying to justify that call in PC saying Siraj had a niggle..

 

But he was bowling same pace in Game 1 too... So they are saying we were dumb to play an unfit pacer.

 

Or other possibility is Siraj hid his niggle for which he should be discarded from Indian set up altogether.

 

Bunch of stupid morons.

[Suhaan]

10 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

They are now trying to justify that call in PC saying Siraj had a niggle..

 

But he was bowling same pace in Game 1 too... So they are saying we were dumb to play an unfit pacer.

 

Or other possibility is Siraj hid his niggle for which he should be discarded from Indian set up altogether.

 

Bunch of stupid morons.

He's not like some coward like Bumrah,he will not backoff even if he has to come down to bowl 105 kph

[MK55]

15 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

They are now trying to justify that call in PC saying Siraj had a niggle..

 

But he was bowling same pace in Game 1 too... So they are saying we were dumb to play an unfit pacer.

 

Or other possibility is Siraj hid his niggle for which he should be discarded from Indian set up altogether.

 

Bunch of stupid morons.

Where are u getting this?

 

Siraj himself and Gill clarified after the match that he ain’t injured.

 

 

“Firstly, no, Siraj wasn't injured we also felt that, even in the first match what happens is, after such a long time, when a person is playing his match last he played was Afghanistan, which was in June so he was playing almost after a couple of months so after 1.5-2 months, when a person plays it takes time for someone to come back in the rhythm,” Gill told reporters in the post-match press conference.

“In the first test, we also felt the pace was slow, but sometimes when you play, you come back into the rhythm. As far as the injury is concerned, it was nothing like that,” he added.

[MK55]

The thing with Siraj - my guess is:

 

1: He’s either having some medical illness that has sapped his stamina.

 

2: He’s just lost his rhythm n pace entirely coz he severely under prepared during his time off. However this also seems weird because he’s an experienced guy who also played the practice match and the first test. 
 

You don’t require a month of overs to get back in “rhythm” after 1.5 months away.

 

 

[tweaker]

13 minutes ago, MK55 said:

he severely under prepared

 

It's not Siraj fault.Gill, Gambhir,Morkel,Kotak were there to assess him.They are specialist and should have taken decision.

 

Many on this forum identified the issue when Siraj started bowling in the 1st inning of the 1st test.

 

When Gurnoor and Siraj were bowling in the nets ,the team management should be able to identify who is bowling well.

 

Gurnoor had 10 wicket haul against Sri Lanka A,In the practice game also he bowled well .

 

Gambhir has shown he is very stubborn regarding his likes and dislikes and can  even risks team performance for the same.

[vvvslaxman]

5 hours ago, tweaker said:

 

It's not Siraj fault.Gill, Gambhir,Morkel,Kotak were there to assess him.They are specialist and should have taken decision.

 

Many on this forum identified the issue when Siraj started bowling in the 1st inning of the 1st test.

 

When Gurnoor and Siraj were bowling in the nets ,the team management should be able to identify who is bowling well.

 

Gurnoor had 10 wicket haul against Sri Lanka A,In the practice game also he bowled well .

 

Gambhir has shown he is very stubborn regarding his likes and dislikes and can  even risks team performance for the same.

I don't think they assessed the pitch or conditions correctly. Having said that pitch got slower and slower as the match went on. Looked totally dead. They thought they could run through SL with Suthar and hoped Saransh would chip in. Backfired.  If they were not going to pick Gurnoor they should have stuck with Kuldeep.

[putrevus]

21 hours ago, tweaker said:

Then there is factors that how they are treated by coach, seniors.

 

This players have a group,or from same state team, IPL team.They are comfortable with each other.,ie Gurnoor,.

Then there are players who are outsider ie Aaquib who may not be recieved well from the coach,team mates etc.

 

This will effect the performance of players.

 

Tyagi was doing very well as a net bowlers on Australia tour.Most of the bowlers were getting injured.Even Natarajan played in that series.But Tyagi was ignored, he hit many seniors in net session.

Afterwards he was left to himself,was not able to even make a place in UP team .

 

There are many stories about pacers facing the wrath of coach,seniors .Atul Wassan, Vivek Razdan,Raju Kulkarni were never considered after their decent debut.

 

Srinath made his debut in 91 season but became regular only after Prabhar and Kapil retired 

India played like 6 test matches at home in three years since Srinath made his debut. India played mostly away from 1991-94 touring Australia, SA, even in SL, Srinath played most of those test matches..He became regular after 1994.

 

He made very little impact in his initial tests.He took his first 5fer in 1996.

 

 

[putrevus]

22 hours ago, Lord said:

So what did we gain by playing Siraj and Prasidh over Gurnoor here?

I don't think he would have made any difference.I don't see him doing much reverse swing.

 

The biggest difference was Kuldeep not playing, offspinner was useless.