Suryavanshi fans have destroyed our T20 team

[bowl_out]

@SecondSlip will have a field day. 

 

VS gone for 15(10)

[SecondSlip]

19 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

@SecondSlip will have a field day. 

 

VS gone for 15(10)

Dear Bowl Out, 

I never have a field day when our team loses cheap wickets. 
I just want to know why did the team management break apart our top order which helped us win the World Cup just few months ago. 

[zen]

6 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:

Dear Bowl Out, 

I never have a field day when our team loses cheap wickets. 
I just want to know why did the team management break apart our top order which helped us win the World Cup just few months ago. 

India did not have a settled top order in the World Cup. Samson was in and out of the team iirc. Abhishek was struggling. Only Kishan was doing relatively well. 
 

Once Samson returned, he played some amazing knocks to win India the tournament. Abhishek clicked in the final. 
 

And when a new talented player emerges, teams tend to make space. Nothing is permanent. 

Edited July 9 by zen

[bowl_out]

Just now, zen said:

India did not have a settled top order in the World Cup. Samson was in and out as well. Abhishek was struggling. Only Kishan was doing relatively well. 
 

Once Samson returned, he played some amazing knocks to win India the tournament. Abhishek clicked in the final. 
 

And when a new talented player emerges, teams tend to make space for them. Nothing is permanent. 

But second slip's question is still valid. Why fix something that isn't broken

[cric_fan]

Kid is a hack. Needs to adapt. Not ready for this level.

[zen]

1 minute ago, bowl_out said:

But second slip's question is still valid. Why fix something that isn't broken

Because the game keeps evolving. If new talent emerges, teams make space for such talent. 

I think the more relevant question is why are likes of Iyer, Tilak, Dube (can’t bowl much), etc., in the T20 team. They may click in Asia but overseas, they may have question marks. 

 

[bowl_out]

Just now, zen said:

Because the game keeps evolving. If new talent emerges, teams make space for such talent. 

I think the more relevant question is why are likes of Iyer, Tilak, Dube (can’t bowl much), etc., in the T20 team. They may click in Asia but overseas, they may have question marks. 

 

There was no need to rush VS to play all games either. Let him ease into the set up instead of overwhelming him. He is barely familiar with conditions outside the subcontinent.

[zen]

6 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

 

There was no need to rush VS to play all games either. Let him ease into the set up instead of overwhelming him. He is barely familiar with conditions outside the subcontinent.

As a long term prospect, why would he not be introduced in bilaterals? No harm in that. 
 

The team should not be over dependabt on him. He is there to provide quick starts or get out doing that. 
 

PS if not VS, these guys would have played someone like Pribhsimran. So in a way, VS is saving the team from such picks and making it somewhat watchable. Who watches T20 for Iyer, Tilak, Pribhsimran, etc. (they are okay in IPL as there are 10 teams to accommodate various Indian players). 

Edited July 9 by zen

[Need4Speed]

19 minutes ago, cric_fan said:

Kid is a hack. Needs to adapt. Not ready for this level.

Many current tean members you can call hack in that case..

 

How many chances were given to

Rohit Sharma..when he was in twenties..and you are talking about a mid teen kid..

Some agressive shots if dont come out well look like a hack..

Just need to look for hitting more boundaries first and dont think about hitting big sixes and end up overhitting..part of learning curve..good for his experience

 

 

[Need4Speed]

24 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

But second slip's question is still valid. Why fix something that isn't broken

Why Iyer is in team then

[zen]

Just now, Need4Speed said:

Many current tean members you can call hack in that case..

 

How many chances were given to

Rohit Sharma..when he was in twenties..and you are talking about a mid teen kid..

Some agressive shots if dont come out well look like a hack..

Just need to look for hitting more boundaries first and dont think about hitting big sixes and end up overhitting..part of learning curve..good for his experience

 

 

His job is to give quick starts or get out. If the team is over dependent on a new comer, it only shows how bad Iyer, Tilak, Dube, etc., are outside home type familiar conditions. 

[Need4Speed]

Just now, zen said:

His job is to give quick starts or get out. If the team is over dependent on a new comer, it only shows how bad Iyer, Tilak, Dube, etc., are outside home type familiar conditions. 

The way our bowling is and can easily concede 200 to English every time.and sluggish our Middle Order is..

there is no respite for our top order..they have to be agressive to make up for all that..

[bowl_out]

21 minutes ago, zen said:

As a long term prospect, why would he not be introduced in bilaterals? No harm in that. 
 

The team should not be over dependabt on him. He is there to provide quick starts or get out doing that. 
 

PS if not VS, these guys would have played someone like Pribhsimran. So in a way, VS is saving the team from such picks and making it somewhat watchable. Who watches T20 for Iyer, Tilak, Pribhsimran, etc. (they are okay in IPL as there are 10 teams to accommodate various Indian players). 

 

Sure, but the noise from media and this forum to play him right away and conspiracy theories that there is a deliberate attempt to keep him out were nonsense

[zen]

Just now, bowl_out said:

 

Sure, but the noise from media and this forum to play him right away and conspiracy theories that there is a deliberate attempt to keep him out were nonsense

Why worry about what is said on a forum or media? Here we even have comical threads during IPL where people pick India squads, and some even rooted for Iyer has captain. 

[Zero_Unit]

4 hours ago, SecondSlip said:

 

Vaibhav is a super-talented young kid, but the Team management broke our trophy-winning top 3 just because of social media noise pollution including from multiple posters here on ICF! 

Or it might be because they wanted the kid to get a chance. He will deliver.

[jf1gp_1]

At no point in time since introduction of social media have we not have a hype of some player or the other. I think we just forgot all the hype around Abhishek Sharma. Under Gambhir we have either looked champs or novice. 

 

People are dumb if they think belters, pulled in ropes, inability to play spin even on belters wasn't going to come and bite us 

Edited July 10 by jf1gp_1

[Tillu]

8 hours ago, cric_fan said:

Kid is a hack. Needs to adapt. Not ready for this level.

 

To the Pakistanis every Indian batsman is a hack and Babar and Rizwan are T20 goats.

 

He is not used to these conditions. He will learn.

Edited July 10 by Tillu

[DeepSpace]

This is what I was saying. He would be found out on SENA pitches. On pattas he was king. 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, DeepSpace said:

This is what I was saying. He would be found out on SENA pitches. On pattas he was king. 

 

Not quiet true. The pull shot that caused his dismissal happened in India as well. It is a problem of shot selection. You gotta give a few balls to their best bowlers. Even at u19 level he got out a few times to that particular delivery. It is not the pitch. It is just that every single ball they bowl to him is at arm pit. Also he tries to over hit Archer compared to Tongue. He wants to win the battle against him. 

[Need4Speed]

2 minutes ago, DeepSpace said:

This is what I was saying. He would be found out on SENA pitches. On pattas he was king. 

Well in that case all of them have been found out..English openers too.. Salt have been lucky too survive initial spells in last couplebof matches and then went on too make good runs