Why does General Category never protest in India - despite being robbed of merit more than anyone else ?

[randomGuy]

52 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

He changed his mind

 

 

Don't think so. In this video, he is saying you can give incentives to private companies who give caste reservation. Which company would not want incentives like tax incentives?

Edited July 30 by randomGuy

[Lord]

7 hours ago, randomGuy said:

The haters of India and of Sanatan Hindu Dharm will look to exploit this issue by inciting both side. Many will pose as GC to incite GC people.

Its already divided. Reservations are causing more divide only. 

[randomGuy]

30 minutes ago, Lord said:

Its already divided. Reservations are causing more divide only. 

Yar, according to chatgpt Hindu GC is 20% of total india (about 25% of Hindu population).

 

16% is strict upper caste(such as Brahmins, Rajputs, Kayasthas, Bhumihars, and Vaishyas).

 

This means 80-85% group is going to be against removing reservations. Data is as clear as anything.

 

Touching caste reservation = absolute rout in elections.

 

Sanatan loving Hindu GCs should just see the math and realize ki kuch achieve to nahi hoga ulta desh ke dushmano ka fayda kara baithoge.

Edited July 30 by randomGuy

[Trichromatic]

1 minute ago, randomGuy said:

Yar, according to chatgpt Hindu GC is 20% of total india (about 25% of Hindu population).

 

16% is strict upper caste(such as Brahmins, Rajputs, Kayasthas, Bhumihars, and Vaishyas).

 

This means 80-85% group is going to be against removing reservations. Data is as clear as anything.

 

Touching caste reservation = absolute rout in elections.

 

Sanatan loving Hindu GCs should just see the math and realize ki kuch achieve to nahi hoga ulta desh ke dushmano ka fayda kara baithoge.

 

I don't think so, one way or other risk will go down for parties in future and reservations will removed.

[diga]

2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

I don't think so, one way or other risk will go down for parties in future and reservations will removed.

Nope...I think they will bring in economically weaker section from upper castes.

 

[Lord]

7 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

Yar, according to chatgpt Hindu GC is 20% of total india (about 25% of Hindu population).

 

16% is strict upper caste(such as Brahmins, Rajputs, Kayasthas, Bhumihars, and Vaishyas).

 

This means 80-85% group is going to be against removing reservations. Data is as clear as anything.

 

Touching caste reservation = absolute rout in elections.

 

Sanatan loving Hindu GCs should just see the math and realize ki kuch achieve to nahi hoga ulta desh ke dushmano ka fayda kara baithoge.

That is a political viewpoint and we know nothing will happen.

 

But merit suffers. People with negative marks are becoming doctors and engineers. Ultimately nation's progress will be slowed down.

 

There has to be a base marks requirement for them too. Anyone not achieving that can be given financial assistance instead. 

[coffee_rules]

4 hours ago, randomGuy said:

Caste reservation has primarily social inclusion benefit, then come economic inclusion.

 

So, even with creamy layer getting undue benefits, caste reservation still serves its primary purpose i.e. social inclusion. This EWS can't do. Without reservation, a poor dalit is socially worse off than a poor GC. Due to discrimination of today and the effects of discrimination over several generations.

 

What i support is caste reservation, but given to non creamy layer only. Solves both issues - social inclusion and economic inclusion.

 

 

I am not sure how did the social inclusion for those who took caste based reservations worked. In fact, they will find themselves mocked more in mainstream because of the creamy layer issue that has piled on for years. People who come in cars to colleges, pay 1/4 fees than those middle-class GC who walk/take the bus. The benefits being extended is beyond reservations. They -ve cutoffs in NEET, pass malrks , job promotions even without performance over GC who work more. I feel the discrimination has increased bythese extentension of benefits beypnd reservations of jobs. If they go through the same classes, why is it they get easier cutoffs ? It has to even out after 7 decades!!

[randomGuy]

12 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

I am not sure how did the social inclusion for those who took caste based reservations worked. In fact, they will find themselves mocked more in mainstream because of the creamy layer issue that has piled on for years. People who come in cars to colleges, pay 1/4 fees than those middle-class GC who walk/take the bus. The benefits being extended is beyond reservations. They -ve cutoffs in NEET, pass malrks , job promotions even without performance over GC who work more. I feel the discrimination has increased bythese extentension of benefits beypnd reservations of jobs. If they go through the same classes, why is it they get easier cutoffs ? It has to even out after 7 decades!!

Social exclusion happens more in villages. Once after we were done having lunch in our office together, one of my 'UC' colleagues told me that in his village this guy (refering to our so-called lower caste colleague), won't be sitting (or won't dare to sit) at same level. They would sit at a level below. In many punjab villages, there are seperate places of worship for jatts and marginalized communities (such as Mazhabi or Ramdasia Sikhs) -

https://scroll.in/article/959164/in-this-punjab-village-sikhs-are-shedding-their-caste-biases-during-the-covid-19-crisis

 

These are realities of our society. In cities it doesn't exist, but in private, people do use jaati-suchak demeaning references sometimes.

 

All the shortcomings like negative marks, creamy layer etc must be corrected, caste reservation does help in social inclusion regardless.

 

 

Edited July 31 by randomGuy

[LordPrabhzy]

On 7/30/2026 at 2:04 PM, coffee_rules said:

If my future son or daughter find somebody on their own , I would wholeheartedly work on it. There is no option there for me, but if I am seeking an alliance, I would be comfortable looking with similar interest first. Certain people of certain communities have a stereotype associated and we don’t want to fall into such stereotypes, make money, minded people, judgment, people, etc., with hard to explain. Obviously, we will be looking for somebody in the same economic class, looking at it practically. This is not casteism in my opinion, but a preference.

 

 

I did make this distinction in my previous posts about why caste stereotypes come into play if the both parties are in the same economic level.. and the examples given by Trich in his post are all traits which are influenced by the environment- people are not genetically born with these traits. The more as communities we shield ourselves from other thought processes the more ingrained these traits become. If Baniyas are frugal but there could be some that inherently might not be but are forced to be due to their parents and society- so if marrying into a different community gives both parties a different perspective of doing things, the next generation can pick the best bits from both and we have a stringer genetic pool. The ultimate goal is to unite Hindus and not to divide them further

Edited July 31 by LordPrabhzy

[coffee_rules]

6 hours ago, randomGuy said:

Social exclusion happens more in villages. Once after we were done having lunch in our office together, one of my 'UC' colleagues told me that in his village this guy (refering to our so-called lower caste colleague), won't be sitting (or won't dare to sit) at same level. They would sit at a level below. In many punjab villages, there are seperate places of worship for jatts and marginalized communities (such as Mazhabi or Ramdasia Sikhs) -

https://scroll.in/article/959164/in-this-punjab-village-sikhs-are-shedding-their-caste-biases-during-the-covid-19-crisis

 

These are realities of our society. In cities it doesn't exist, but in private, people do use jaati-suchak demeaning references sometimes.

 

All the shortcomings like negative marks, creamy layer etc must be corrected, caste reservation does help in social inclusion regardless.

 

 

You’re describing the caste problem, and I am aware of such practices even now in villages.
 

But we are discussing how does reservations help social inclusion, caste problem. It is in fact, causing more division in the society with the problems I have highlighted on education system. If schools are bad in villages, the whole ecosystem should push for better schools in villages than providing cash transfers, directly to people as freebies. Hopefully such discussions evolved through this movement.

 

The reservation, Benefits have not reached the real poor communities in ST OBC castes. There are Maha Dialits within Dalits and some OBCs are categories as EBCs which are extremely backward. Such communities deserve Benefits more than richer people in some powerful landowning. Castes.
 We cannot get rid of reservations completely, but it can be reformed with inclusion of quota within quota or also start taking out some of the rich people out of the caste reservation group.

[coffee_rules]

6 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

 

I did make this distinction in my previous posts about why caste stereotypes come into play if the both parties are in the same economic level.. and the examples given by Trich in his post are all traits which are influenced by the environment- people are not genetically born with these traits. The more as communities we shield ourselves from other thought processes the more ingrained these traits become. If Baniyas are frugal but there could be some that inherently might not be but are forced to be due to their parents and society- so if marrying into a different community gives both parties a different perspective of doing things, the next generation can pick the best bits from both and we have a stringer genetic pool. The ultimate goal is to unite Hindus and to divide them further

Agree with you in spirit that The goal should be that  more Hindus unite. 
We should also discourage caste based organizations like Aggarwal samaj or Brahman Samaj etc. They are not for benefiting the community, but, rather to establish marriage alliances only. I’m not part of any such organizations, but participate in an Indian organization and language (kannada) organizationlocally. 

[randomGuy]

34 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

You’re describing the caste problem, and I am aware of such practices even now in villages.
 

But we are discussing how does reservations help social inclusion, caste problem. It is in fact, causing more division in the society with the problems I have highlighted on education system. If schools are bad in villages, the whole ecosystem should push for better schools in villages than providing cash transfers, directly to people as freebies. Hopefully such discussions evolved through this movement.

 

The reservation, Benefits have not reached the real poor communities in ST OBC castes. There are Maha Dialits within Dalits and some OBCs are categories as EBCs which are extremely backward. Such communities deserve Benefits more than richer people in some powerful landowning. Castes.
 We cannot get rid of reservations completely, but it can be reformed with inclusion of quota within quota or also start taking out some of the rich people out of the caste reservation group.

Every dalit sees his biradari people in positions of respect/power/status in society in govt jobs. He can aspire for that too. Dreams and aspirations are important... In workplaces, educational institutions, all caste people study, work, eat, hangout together and without reservations they wouldn't.

 

These are cases of social inclusion.

 

 

Edited July 31 by randomGuy

[Lord]

Very good discussion. Only thing missing is someone counter questioning

 

 

[randomGuy]

In my opinion, due to people like Ajeet bharti n dixit, BJP suffer losses. Trojan horse kind of comparison... GC vs others narrative. Then will post "warning signs" lol

 

 

 

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

UC's have too keep them relevant in Indian politics for the sake of the union...  

 

Edited August 3 by Lone Wolf

[kepler37b]

On 7/26/2026 at 1:17 AM, upriser7 said:

Those taxes exist every where. US also has sales tax which is around 7-10% depending on State. Europe has VAT which is also pretty high. People just don't realize that taxes in India are pretty low

Taxes are high for the minute tax base. Increase the base and increase the taxes.

[kepler37b]

12 hours ago, Lord said:

Very good discussion. Only thing missing is someone counter questioning

 

 

IMO the reservation is not reaching deserving people. Few families of the creamy layer have monopolized it. 

 

For example more than 90 percent of TN are classified as "lower" castes. Need rationalization.

[coffee_rules]

On 8/3/2026 at 6:58 AM, randomGuy said:

In my opinion, due to people like Ajeet bharti n dixit, BJP suffer losses. Trojan horse kind of comparison... GC vs others narrative. Then will post "warning signs" lol

 

 

 

 

 

It is a warning sign. They have learned nothing from 2024. Candidate selection. Both constituencies that they lost with the reason, but if you look at voting pattern, most of UCs watered for a Pandey (PK) and it can be attributed to them feeling cheated out by BJP. There is no opposition to BJP, there are only some of the supporters you mentioned that are questioning BJP  policies that matter.

[randomGuy]

15 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

It is a warning sign. They have learned nothing from 2024. Candidate selection. Both constituencies that they lost with the reason, but if you look at voting pattern, most of UCs watered for a Pandey (PK) and it can be attributed to them feeling cheated out by BJP. There is no opposition to BJP, there are only some of the supporters you mentioned that are questioning BJP  policies that matter.

One off by-election is ok but this guy pk is dangerous. Nitin navin said bjp will introspect n do course correction, that's encouraging.

Edited August 4 by randomGuy

[coffee_rules]

On 7/31/2026 at 10:46 AM, randomGuy said:

Every dalit sees his biradari people in positions of respect/power/status in society in govt jobs. He can aspire for that too. Dreams and aspirations are important... In workplaces, educational institutions, all caste people study, work, eat, hangout together and without reservations they wouldn't.

 

These are cases of social inclusion.

 

 

On the ground, the reality in villages, especially are different. In 1951, there were 600  castes included in SCs, now it is nearly doubled. I don’t think they see themselves as one community, jathavs don’t get along very well with other communities like valmikis etc. I don’t think a Pasi will feel proud that a person of different SC community gets selected as a IAS, they count their own first. Subcastes within a caste also has its own hierarchy and their own rules of inclusion and exclusion, this is not pertaining to only UCs, all castes have this disease.