rkt.india Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, express bowling said: Umesh bowled badly in all the 3 test matches in SL too, He looks demotivated and lacking in intensity a bit too frequently and that is the issue. It is almost as if he is happy with what he done in life and needs nothing more. he is the alter ego of Sreesanth. Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, express bowling said: Umesh bowled badly in all the 3 test matches in SL too, He looks demotivated and lacking in intensity a bit too frequently and that is the issue. It is almost as if he is happy with what he done in life and needs nothing more. I have mentioned that in the past too. Ideally its the team management's problem. Getting the best out of people depends upon the management. Throwing someone away is not the solution. It is frustrating for me too to see Umesh being wayward. But if we throw him away, it is going to set a bad precedence for the future pacers and mark my word on it! We need a holistic approach if we need to have a fast bowling culture. And it begins from a sports psychologist to diet, to training etc etc etc... Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, rkt.india said: he is the alter ego of Sreesanth. I am really saddened by Umesh in this test. He can move the ball both ways at 140 k to 150 k ..... but is spraying the ball at 132 k to 142 k in the last 4 tests. Big talent being wasted Link to comment
LORD_analyst Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 55 minutes ago, express bowling said: But generally , in test matches, Shami is a a better all-condition bowler than Bhuvi, while Bhuvi is better if there is conventional swing on offer. right on money express bowling 1 Link to comment
LORD_analyst Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, express bowling said: Umesh bowled badly in all the 3 test matches in SL too, He looks demotivated and lacking in intensity a bit too frequently and that is the issue. It is almost as if he is happy with what he has done in life and needs nothing more. in sri lanka - his wayward bowling was covered by shami...that wouldnt be the case everytime ..he would be exposed overseas express bowling 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: I have mentioned that in the past too. Ideally its the team management's problem. Getting the best out of people depends upon the management. Throwing someone away is not the solution. It is frustrating for me too to see Umesh being wayward. But if we throw him away, it is going to set a bad precedence for the future pacers and mark my word on it! We need a holistic approach if we need to have a fast bowling culture. And it begins from a sports psychologist to diet, to training etc etc etc... We don't need to throw him away and he can be in the squad. But, the SA test series is too important for us and we need a pacy and consistent pacer in the playing XI for that. Link to comment
LORD_analyst Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, express bowling said: I am really saddened by Umesh in this test. He can move the ball both ways at 140 k to 150 k ..... but is spraying the ball at 132 k to 142 k in the last 4 tests. Big talent being wasted he bowled 4 balls of his over less than 135 ...and the rest two were about 138.......ishant would be a good bet express bowling 1 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: I have mentioned that in the past too. Ideally its the team management's problem. Getting the best out of people depends upon the management. Throwing someone away is not the solution. But here its all Umesh’s fault. Management can only do so much. He has been provided the best facilities, enoughmatches but he has remained like that. This is what he had to offer and this is what he has been doing for a while. After taking couple of wickets, he has been always satisfied. Thats been the story. I have mentioned thousand times earlier in Umesh debates. Same has been done by Ishant all through out. Hence I say pick a new bowler instead of going back to Ishant. Keep Ishant only as back up. Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, LORD_analyst said: right on money Today, the pitch was easier to bat on than earlier days ( as is apparent from the way we are batting and Herath batted ) And Shami has been the most dangerous bowler from either side today. Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) Umesh has one five fer in 66 innings. Thats a horrible statistic. Even all rounder bowlers have more five fers than him. If the specialist bowler cannot take 5 wicket hauls then it clearly shows the bowler is incapable of running through a batting lineup. I wont call him brainless though, just a below average pace bowling performer imo. Edited November 19, 2017 by Straight Drive Rasgulla, Cricketics, Frustrated and 2 others 5 Link to comment
LORD_analyst Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Straight Drive said: Umesh has one five fer in 66 innings. Thats a horrible statistic. Even all rounder bowlers have more five fers than him. If the specialist bowler cannot take 5 wicket hauls then it clearly shows the bowler is incapable of running through a batting lineup. I wont call him brainless though, just a below average pace bowling performer imo. just remove home tests and consider overseas test then he would be a Torchbearer of 'Brainless' category IMO Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Wonder why this clown gets so many chances.. he is run leaking machine LORD_analyst 1 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 57 minutes ago, LORD_analyst said: just remove home tests and consider overseas test then he would be a Torchbearer of 'Brainless' category IMO If was perfect story for Indians,a typical Bollywood nationa. o wow, Small town boy from poor family bowling fast. Okay lets give him a chance and then they kept giving him chance after chance after chance. In between he bowled well in few good games, anyone would after playing so many games, but then its finally back to normal and now Umesh Yadav Bhajan-Keertan is finally coming to an end it seems. Glad the bhakti is over. Unless you are Shami or Bhuvi, you do not have a case. LORD_analyst and Texan 2 Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 5 wicket hauls in no. of innings Bhuvi - 4 in 31 Shami - 2 in 48 Umesh - 1 in 66 Ishant - 7 in 136 Shows who the strike bowlers are capable of running through the lineups. Rasgulla and beetle 1 1 Link to comment
New guy Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Straight Drive said: Umesh has one five fer in 66 innings. Thats a horrible statistic. Even all rounder bowlers have more five fers than him. If the specialist bowler cannot take 5 wicket hauls then it clearly shows the bowler is incapable of running through a batting lineup. I wont call him brainless though, just a below average pace bowling performer imo. In contrast, Ishant has 7 five fer in 136 innings, Shami has 2 five-fer in 48 innings and Bhuvi has 4 five fers in 31 innings Edited November 19, 2017 by New guy Link to comment
New guy Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: 5 wicket hauls in no. of innings Bhuvi - 4 in 31 Shami - 2 in 48 Umesh - 1 in 66 Ishant - 7 in 136 Shows who the strike bowlers are capable of running through the lineups. But Bhuvi is not a test match bowler :shrug Link to comment
Laaloo Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 6 hours ago, express bowling said: Umesh bowled badly in all the 3 test matches in SL too, He looks demotivated and lacking in intensity a bit too frequently and that is the issue. It is almost as if he is happy with what he has done in life and needs nothing more. Unfortunately I have to agree. He just feels sorry for himself. Even after fielders drop catches off of his bowling, he gives a fake smile and shrugs it off. Need to show emotions damn it. He does the same when he gets hit for boundaries. Sort of reminds me of Ishant in his early days. express bowling 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Straight Drive said: 5 wicket hauls in no. of innings Bhuvi - 4 in 31 Shami - 2 in 48 Umesh - 1 in 66 Ishant - 7 in 136 Shows who the strike bowlers are capable of running through the lineups. Shami has 5 more four-wicket hauls in addition to his 2 five-wicket hauls and that means something too ( and Bhuvi has 1 ) If you consider wickets per innings, it is Shami 1.84 Ishant 1.60 Bhuvi 1.53 Umesh 1.43 This parameter is important to check consistency in wicket-taking ability. RAZPOR, speedheat, Laaloo and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) 40 minutes ago, express bowling said: Shami has 5 more four-wicket hauls in addition to his 2 five-wicket hauls and that means something too ( and Bhuvi has 1 ) If you consider wickets per innings, it is Shami 1.84 Ishant 1.60 Bhuvi 1.53 Umesh 1.43 This parameter is important to check consistency in wicket-taking ability. Bhuvi is the rare bowler in Indian cricket who cashes when he is in form. He converts couple of wickets into five and gets five get more frequently than any other Indian bowler in event years. Like we need batters like Chet and Virat who convert 100 to a 200+ we need Bhuvi who takes five gets unlike other pace bowlers who struggle to give the big performance. Without Bhuvi it is going to be struggle if the wickets and conditions are not assisting our world class spinners. Edited November 19, 2017 by Straight Drive Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: Bhuvi is the rare bowler in Indian cricket who cashes when he is in form. He converts couple of wickets into five Bhuvi does that when the ball is swinging or seaming and looks like one of our 2 best pacers ...... but looks innocuous on flat tracks which are rather frequent. Edited November 19, 2017 by express bowling Laaloo, LORD_analyst and speedheat 2 1 Link to comment
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