Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Jay]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

Since the TM had no plans of actually playing Prasidh in this test series vs NZ, he should have been sent to SA to play the Unofficial Tests for India A. 

 

 

Bumrsh

Siraj

Tyagi

Saini

Prasidh krishna

umran malik

Mavi

Porel

nikhil kohli

 

Shami

Umesh

 

What a pool of talent. Shame on kohli if we don't win some icc trophy. But I only care about tests so as long as we are no 1 I am good. 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Bumrsh

Siraj

Tyagi

Saini

Prasidh krishna

umran malik

Mavi

Porel

nikhil kohli

 

Shami

Umesh

 

What a pool of talent. Shame on kohli if we don't win some icc trophy. But I only care about tests so as long as we are no 1 I am good. 

Tbh, cricket was never meant to be played like T20. If it was, they would have been playing with soft ball like in baseball and tennis cricket if it was supposed to be a hitting competition.

[express bowling]

So far, Saini has picked up 10 wickets from 4 completed innings in the Unofficial Tests. Which is really great ! 

 

Probably bowling near his full pace.

 

And he has some batting ability too. Has scored 27 not out off just 22 balls in the last innings.

 

Good to see him get back to his old self.

 

 

Edited December 8, 2021 by express bowling

[New guy]

On 12/7/2021 at 1:11 AM, Lone Wolf said:

Saini was impressive in day 1 of 4 day game.  Was steaming in & bowling good Pace & showed a lot of aggression in his body language.  Didn't bowl many loose ball either.  Finally getting some rhythm into his bowling. 

What was the point of impressing. Not even in the squad and ishant makes it. Very depressing 

[Lone Wolf]

24 minutes ago, New guy said:

What was the point of impressing. Not even in the squad and ishant makes it. Very depressing 

Absolute joke of a squad has been picked...  There's no hope in the squad.  No vision nothing. 

If Saffers bring their A game we are toast as simple as that.  A lot has to go our way to win. 

[Jay]

31 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Absolute joke of a squad has been picked...  There's no hope in the squad.  No vision nothing. 

If Saffers bring their A game we are toast as simple as that.  A lot has to go our way to win. 

I will be able to tell If we can win or not just by looking at the names on the sheet. If ishant is picked along with current rahane we will 100% lose the game. Although rahane doesn't have to face any good spinner apart from majraj. He is ok vs bounce and pace. 

 

We will lose one game for sure. I feel we are enough to win one away. Can we go 2 -1? I have doubts unless we pick the right team. Lot has to go our way as you said. 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Jay

[Vijy]

On 12/6/2021 at 2:52 PM, express bowling said:

 

 

 

So Umran Malik benched again ... and this time for D.Chahar.   @Mosher, @Suhaan, @Vijy

 

This is why I was against D.Chahar getting into the A-team for Unofficial tests.

 

D.Chahar is occupying a frontline pacer's slot and not that of a bowling all-rounder cum 4th pacer as @Lord and @prudent_kreeda hoped.

 

And it is not a case of him not being given back to back games to keep him fresh, as @rkt.india thought.

 

This is how the Indian cricket fraternity usually treats a non-established genuine fast bowler.

 

Unless Umran has a niggle, this is totally foolish. 

 

P.S -- What is the need to play 2 spinners in SA ?

It's clear the selectors and Ind A TM only took Malik along because there was some noise made by fans (and rightly so). The moment he didn't do well - which was highly unfair given rustiness and his lack of exposure to 4 day cricket - they booted him out and got a trundler instead.

 

In the last 2-3 selection committees, I am seeing a relentless drive toward 1990s: (1) preparing overly turning pitches at home (see pitches vs Oz 2017, SA 2015, and Eng 2021), (2) "rewarding" nonperforming seniors with very long ropes, (3) choosing trundler after trundler (expecting to see dhawal kulkarni, rishi dhawan, and the ATG unadcutter soon), (4) failing to nurture wrist spinners or finger spinners who can take wkts in SENA (i.e., beyond Ashwin and Jadeja to an extent), (5) deteriorating standards of catching, and so on.

[express bowling]

In the 2nd innings till tea on day 3

 

Speed ranges 

 

 

Cummins  132 kph to 141 kph

 

Starc. 138 kph to 144 kph

 

Hazlewood  130 kph to 138 kph.

[express bowling]

1st innings

 

Mark Wood.  138 kph to 152 kph

 

Robinson  123 kph to 134 kph 

 

Woakes. 123 kph to 137 kph ?

 

*  Woakes may have bowled the odd quicker ball, don't know.

 

 

Edited December 10, 2021 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Mark Wood averaged 149 kph in probably his 3rd spell of 3 overs yesterday.

[express bowling]

On 12/9/2021 at 6:10 AM, Vijy said:

It's clear the selectors and Ind A TM only took Malik along because there was some noise made by fans (and rightly so). The moment he didn't do well - which was highly unfair given rustiness and his lack of exposure to 4 day cricket - they booted him out and got a trundler instead.

 

In the last 2-3 selection committees, I am seeing a relentless drive toward 1990s: (1) preparing overly turning pitches at home (see pitches vs Oz 2017, SA 2015, and Eng 2021), (2) "rewarding" nonperforming seniors with very long ropes, (3) choosing trundler after trundler (expecting to see dhawal kulkarni, rishi dhawan, and the ATG unadcutter soon), (4) failing to nurture wrist spinners or finger spinners who can take wkts in SENA (i.e., beyond Ashwin and Jadeja to an extent), (5) deteriorating standards of catching, and so on.

 

 

Agree with everything except that Umran bowled rather well, especially for a tearaway quick.

[New guy]

In an interview today, Shashtri says he and bharat arun were behind the push for fast bowling. 

 

https://m.timesofindia.com/sports/cricket/news/an-attempt-was-made-to-ensure-i-dont-get-the-job-ravi-shastri/articleshow/88197446.cms

 

 

Hope the new coach and captain doesnt stop the focus on fast bowling just because they focus on other issues like middle order and out of form batsmen.

 

Fast bowling should still be priority no 1

[Lone Wolf]

Wood was seriously quick Y'day.  He left his everything yesterday.  Breaching 150k multiple times.  Consistently over 90mph.  Was very unlucky as he bowled well.  Needed support from others to bowl tight. 

[Jay]

46 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Wood was seriously quick Y'day.  He left his everything yesterday.  Breaching 150k multiple times.  Consistently over 90mph.  Was very unlucky as he bowled well.  Needed support from others to bowl tight. 

Not sure why they dint pick Andy. He can control and offer support. 

[Jay]

50 minutes ago, New guy said:

In an interview today, Shashtri says he and bharat arun were behind the push for fast bowling. 

 

https://m.timesofindia.com/sports/cricket/news/an-attempt-was-made-to-ensure-i-dont-get-the-job-ravi-shastri/articleshow/88197446.cms

 

 

Hope the new coach and captain doesnt stop the focus on fast bowling just because they focus on other issues like middle order and out of form batsmen.

 

Fast bowling should still be priority no 1

100%. Indian cricket is only exciting because of fast bowlers. 

Edited December 10, 2021 by Jay

[Lone Wolf]

Looking at how Lyon & Leach bowled at Gabba...  We should not undermine Sundar's contribution on a spinner's grave yard as he took out Smith in 1st inns & a well set Green in 2nd inns..  This is as good as a debutant spinner can do here.  Absolute shame he is not traveling to SA over Jayant 

[Mesky99]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Agree with everything except that Umran bowled rather well, especially for a tearaway quick.

Saini, shami, bumrah all played together in the aus odi's, injuries and workload allowed both shardul and natarajan to play in the final odi and then the t20s. Playing like to like bowlers chahar, bhuvi and shardul together is the issue, there is not much planning when it comes to selection and playing seamers in the wrong format is another issue, as long as Siraj, prasidh and saini get to play test cricket together soon with ishant being phased out I would be happy. Odi's only one from bhuvi and chahar should play with bumrah and Siraj, backup prasidh, shardul for his batting exploits and hopefully saini to.

[Jay]

43 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

Saini, shami, bumrah all played together in the aus odi's, injuries and workload allowed both shardul and natarajan to play in the final odi and then the t20s. Playing like to like bowlers chahar, bhuvi and shardul together is the issue, there is not much planning when it comes to selection and playing seamers in the wrong format is another issue, as long as Siraj, prasidh and saini get to play test cricket together soon with ishant being phased out I would be happy. Odi's only one from bhuvi and chahar should play with bumrah and Siraj, backup prasidh, shardul for his batting exploits and hopefully saini to.

Our odi stocks are a bit down but it can be improved. 

 

Bowlers have to be umran tyagi  shami shardul and prasidh maybe. 

 

 

Keep siraj booms saini shami fresh for tests. Prasidh and tyagi can rotate with the above 4 along with shami. 

[express bowling]

17 hours ago, Mesky99 said:

Saini, shami, bumrah all played together in the aus odi's, injuries and workload allowed both shardul and natarajan to play in the final odi and then the t20s. Playing like to like bowlers chahar, bhuvi and shardul together is the issue, there is not much planning when it comes to selection and playing seamers in the wrong format is another issue, as long as Siraj, prasidh and saini get to play test cricket together soon with ishant being phased out I would be happy. Odi's only one from bhuvi and chahar should play with bumrah and Siraj, backup prasidh, shardul for his batting exploits and hopefully saini to.

 

 

IMO we should stick to these Team  Compositions.

 

 

Tests outside Asia ....

 

6.  Pant / Kishan ... batsman keeper with hitting ability

7.  Jadeja / Ashwin / Washington ... spinner all-rounder

8.  Shardul ... bowling all-rounder cum swing bowler

9. Bumrah ... quick bowler

10. Prasidh / Saini  ... tall quick bowler

11. Siraj / Shami ... quick bowler who can move the ball 

 

 

 

LOIs ....

 

6. Hardik / Venkatesh ... big hitting batting allrounder

7. Jadeja / Axar ... spinner all-rounder with hitting ability

8. Harshal / D.Chahar / Bhuvi ... bowling all-rounder cum slower ball specialist 

9. Ashwin / Bishnoi ... spinner

10. Bumrah ... Quick bowler cum death over specialist 

11. Siraj / Prasidh ... Quick bowler cum new ball specialist 

 

 

 

**    The Quick bowlers should have the ability to hit top speeds of 145 k+.

**    The pace bowling all-rounder at 8 should be a swing bowler too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2021 by express bowling

[Vijy]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

IMO we should stick to these Team  Compositions.

 

 

Tests outside Asia ....

 

6.  Pant / Kishan ... batsman keeper with hitting ability

7.  Jadeja / Ashwin / Washington ... spinner all-rounder

8.  Shardul ... bowling all-rounder cum swing bowler

9. Bumrah ... quick bowler

10. Prasidh / Saini  ... tall quick bowler

11. Siraj / Shami ... quick bowler who can move the ball 

 

 

 

LOIs ....

 

6. Hardik / Venkatesh ... big hitting batting allrounder

7. Jadeja / Axar ... spinner all-rounder with hitting ability

8. Harshal / D.Chahar / Bhuvi ... bowling all-rounder cum slower ball specialist 

9. Ashwin / Chahal ... spinner

10. Bumrah ... Quick bowler cum death over specialist 

11. Siraj / Prasidh ... Quick bowler cum new ball specialist 

 

 

 

**    The Quick bowlers should have the ability to hit top speeds of 145 k+.

**    The pace bowling all-rounder at 8 should be a swing bowler too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great post. Agree fully with test team, although Sundar could eventually make a push higher up the order.

 

As for ODIs, I feel Samad and eventually Tilak Varma should be in the mix for No. 6 or No. 7 if they work on bowling. To be frank, I do not feel that either Jaddu or Axar are suited at 7. for jaddu, he cannot score at a high enough SR and Axar in LOIs is better suited for No. 8. Similarly, our pacers at 8 are all trundlers who are not proven high SR players with the bat. need to groom likes of nalkande. Mavi/Nagarkoti are another option but only if they get back to consistent bowling form (with pace) and also improve batting.