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4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Rahul Nain from Delhi, Prince Badiani, Divyanshu Singh from Mumbai, Dhanush Gowda from Karnataka,  Divij Mehra from Delhi are all 6'5" plus prospects

 

Dhanush Gowda is very slow.

 

Badiani looks sharp enough.

 

What is the speed of the other pacers ?

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9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Dhanush Gowda is very slow.

 

Badiani looks sharp enough.

 

What is the speed of the other pacers ?

Can't judge pace at 17-18 years of age. To me, Divyanshu Singh looks the quickest.

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On 1/17/2022 at 1:42 PM, express bowling said:

 

You judge pace at 17-18 by comparing their speeds with other pacers of similar age.

Even that's not the best idea. For eg, Pat Cummins was hitting 150 at 17 while Starc was hardly crossing 140 at 21 but starc turned out to be quicker in the long run. Bodies don't grow/mature at the same age for everyone. Some grow early, some late. 

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7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Bhuvi  0 for 64. @ 6.4 runs an over.

 

We know what he brings to the table in ODIs.

 

Why not try a young quick bowler like Prasidh  ?   (   Assuming Siraj is still unfit )

 

 

 

 

 

 

Atleast he's consistent in being wicketless and conceding near 6rpo

We should appreciate tht,no bowler would be hailed as strike bowler with those skills

If Prasidh plays and is less economical our fellow members would whine about how bad are our youngsters and which is why we are forced to play Bhuvi,Dhawan

Yuvraj Sehwag were so inconsistent and erratic but they fired when ut mattered ,you need to back them,just saying

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2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Not a single Indian bowler on this list. Added to their low release heights and no ready high quality test class replacements, are we heading to the pre 2015 era of Indian bowling?

 

 

 

 

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We are definitely seeing a fall in quality, pace and bounce of Indian fast bowlers after the Australian tour of 2020-21.  (  We were at our peak from 2015 to 2020 and did really well  )

 

The 2 tests at Lord's and the Oval 2021 were aberrations. 

 

And this can be rectified ONLY if our TM stop living in denial of this fact and take steps like 1) Top pacers taking time off by rotation and doing strength and conditioning training at the NCA. 2) Introducing new quick pacers with skills.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Not a single Indian bowler on this list. Added to their low release heights and no ready high quality test class replacements, are we heading to the pre 2015 era of Indian bowling?

 

 

 

 

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in tests Bumrah averages 19.24 from 12 tests in 2018 and 2019. This is superb !

He averages 27.25 from 15 tests from 2020 onwards.  This is just about ok. 

 

In ODIs, Bumrah averages 21.9 till 2019.

From 2020 onwards he averages 75.71 ... now that's correct .. a freaking 75.71

 

 

In terms of speeds, he used to average 139 kph + in tests in 2018 and 2019.  

 

From 2020 onwards he averages around 137 kph in tests.

 

Plus his bounce has reduced in the last 6 months.

 

He needs to recognize this fact and take corrective steps. 

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2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

 

in tests Bumrah averages 19.24 from 12 tests in 2018 and 2019. This is superb !

He averages 27.25 from 15 tests from 2020 onwards.  This is just about ok. 

 

In ODIs, Bumrah averages 21.9 till 2019.

From 2020 onwards he averages 75.71 ... now that's correct .. a freaking 75.71

 

 

In terms of speeds, he used to average 139 kph + in tests in 2018 and 2019.  

 

From 2020 onwards he averages around 137 kph in tests.

 

Plus his bounce has reduced in the last 6 months.

 

He needs to recognize this fact and take corrective steps. 

how the heck has this flown completely under the radar? with this performance, sorry to say, but he needs to be dropped! He should still play WCs and big events, and some matches before WC for prep, but otherwise he should not play ODIs. Would rather see Prasidh and Avesh in the team.

 

What do you think of a trio of: Avesh, Siraj, and Prasidh? No trundlers in here.

 

Axar can bat at 8, and we can find 2 ARs for 6 and 7.

 

My preferred XI: Shaw, Pant (wk), Gaekwad/Brat, Gill, KLR (does decently in MO), AR 1, AR 2, Axar, Avesh (maybe Lord/D. Chahar if we need batting support), Prasidh, Siraj

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10 hours ago, Vijy said:

how the heck has this flown completely under the radar? with this performance, sorry to say, but he needs to be dropped! He should still play WCs and big events, and some matches before WC for prep, but otherwise he should not play ODIs. Would rather see Prasidh and Avesh in the team.

 

What do you think of a trio of: Avesh, Siraj, and Prasidh? No trundlers in here.

 

Axar can bat at 8, and we can find 2 ARs for 6 and 7.

 

My preferred XI: Shaw, Pant (wk), Gaekwad/Brat, Gill, KLR (does decently in MO), AR 1, AR 2, Axar, Avesh (maybe Lord/D. Chahar if we need batting support), Prasidh, Siraj

Avesh is borderline trundler. Prasidh is poor man's Srinath. Temperamentally poor. Siraj is the only one who looks bit confident in his game. We still do need to give them chances.

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28 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Avesh is borderline trundler. Prasidh is poor man's Srinath. Temperamentally poor. Siraj is the only one who looks bit confident in his game. We still do need to give them chances.

when a cupboard is on the bare side, you should give them chances. Tyagi, Mavi, Dayal are three more I forgot to mention. And last, but not least, Hangu.

 

I don't consider Avesh to be borderline trundler provided that he is fit and bowling with full intensity. I have seen him bowl at low speeds on occasion, but he has also bowled consistently in high 130s (min) at other times. Would like to hear what @express bowling and @Mosher also think?

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