Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Vilander]

53 minutes ago, Vk1 said:

Shami seems to be bowling at his best. The way he extracts edges on these indian pitches is amazing.  If he can help us in winning outside.. should be treated as a ATG. Outstanding bowler.

Esp important because age err sorry fitness is not in his side.he is 24 still btw. :)

[Vilander]

2 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

Where do you check these stats mate?

Head to bcci.tv

[LORD_analyst]

3 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

Where do you check these stats mate?

hawk eye on espncricinfo and at icc.com

[maniac]

Instead of giving the obvious advice, I would like the Indian bowling  coach do the following- Ensure the lengths change based on the conditions we are playing in....It took our bowlers a while to figure out the right length in a seam bowling paradise in the first test....the advice that bowl fast and hit the top of offstump is a basic cricket 101

Edited December 4, 2017 by maniac

[maniac]

Ishu’s problem has always been length....his natural short of the length delivery is what at times gets him in trouble when he is wayward but when he is accurate he looks a million bucks making batsmen dance around-it won’t result in too many lbws or caught behinds...In recent times he has worked on it apparently with the help of Manoj Prabhakar his coach at Delhi.

 

Bumrah has done a lot of work with Bond who is a fantastic coach and also credited advice from Malinga to help him with developing the yorker accuracy.

 

Umesh is boom or bust...mostly bust these days

 

Bhuvi is the most improved bowler in world cricket and I don’t think our bowling coach has had anything to do with that .

 

Shami still has fitness issues and looks like he can break down any moment but his bowling was always consistent and good since he debuted apart from 1-2 endurance and fitness issues.

 

Our bowling coach along with the fielding coach and head coach are the 3 biggest frauds and cheer leaders in Indian cricket. Sanjay Bangar is the only guy who seems like he is atleast trying...in fact I will say it I think he has done some very. good work.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

You need a coach with a million $$$ contract to give that advise??? 

 

99% of ICF would have given that for free 

 

Funny thing is, most Indian coaches and captains of the past have not given this apparently obvious advice. Misconceptions, bias and prejudice ran deep in Indian cricket even a few years back.

 

Pacers were told to cut down on speed to improve their accuracy .... bowl slower to get more swing .... not to hit the deck to get swing .... not to bowl with full effort to avoid injury .... Indian bodies are not suited to bowling quick .... misconceptions and prejudices galore.

 

Did you listen to Manjrekar today, taunting Shami for bowling with pace, bounce and hostility but still getting one less wicket than Ashwin or taunting Kohli for liking quick bowlers  ?  The disease runs deep in the system and advising pacers to combine accuracy with pace and hit the deck hard, is like gold dust in the Indian cricket system.

Edited December 4, 2017 by express bowling

[sensible-indian]

11 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Funny thing is, most Indian coaches and captains have not given this apparently obvious advice. Misconceptions, bias and prejudice ran deep in Indian cricket even a few years back.

 

Pacers were told to cut down on speed to improve their accuracy .... bowl slower to get more swing .... not to hit the deck to get swing .... not to bowl with full effort to avoid injury .... Indian bodies are not suited to bowling quick .... misconceptions and prejudices galore.

 

Did you listen to Manjrekar today, taunting Shami for bowling with pace, bounce and hostility but still getting one less wicket than Ashwin or taunting Kohli for liking quick bowlers  ?  The disease runs deep in the system and advising pacers to combine accuracy with pace and hit the deck hard, is like gold dust in the Indian cricket system.

What did he say? 

[LORD_analyst]

16 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Did you listen to Manjrekar today, taunting Shami for bowling with pace, bounce and hostility but still getting one less wicket than Ashwin or taunting Kohli for liking quick bowlers  ? 

i hate this manju bitch....always tries to downplay the speed of indian quicks and gets 'orgasms' when bowlers of other countries are bowling fast...fck 

Edited December 4, 2017 by LORD_analyst

[Vilander]

42 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Funny thing is, most Indian coaches and captains have not given this apparently obvious advice. Misconceptions, bias and prejudice ran deep in Indian cricket even a few years back.

 

Pacers were told to cut down on speed to improve their accuracy .... bowl slower to get more swing .... not to hit the deck to get swing .... not to bowl with full effort to avoid injury .... Indian bodies are not suited to bowling quick .... misconceptions and prejudices galore.

 

Did you listen to Manjrekar today, taunting Shami for bowling with pace, bounce and hostility but still getting one less wicket than Ashwin or taunting Kohli for liking quick bowlers  ?  The disease runs deep in the system and advising pacers to combine accuracy with pace and hit the deck hard, is like gold dust in the Indian cricket system.

i think this guy should should get some in twitter. disgusting attitude.

Edited December 4, 2017 by Vilander

[Vilander]

what exactly did manjrekar say by the way.

[express bowling]

32 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

What did he say? 

 

1 minute ago, Vilander said:

what exactly did manjrekar say by the way.

 

He taunting Shami saying that everyone is talking about him bowling with pace, bounce and hostility but he has got 2 wickets and Ashwin has 3. ( conveniently forgetting that an easy catch was dropped off Shami and a plumb LBW not given was not reviewed because umpire Llong erroniously indicated that the ball had hit the bat. He also ignored the fact that this pitch had less help for pacers than spinners on day 3  )

 

He also  taunted Kohli saying something to the effect .... Oh, Kohli and his love for pace and bounce.

[King Tendulkar]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Funny thing is, most Indian coaches and captains of the past have not given this apparently obvious advice. Misconceptions, bias and prejudice ran deep in Indian cricket even a few years back.

 

Pacers were told to cut down on speed to improve their accuracy .... bowl slower to get more swing .... not to hit the deck to get swing .... not to bowl with full effort to avoid injury .... Indian bodies are not suited to bowling quick .... misconceptions and prejudices galore.

 

Did you listen to Manjrekar today, taunting Shami for bowling with pace, bounce and hostility but still getting one less wicket than Ashwin or taunting Kohli for liking quick bowlers  ?  The disease runs deep in the system and advising pacers to combine accuracy with pace and hit the deck hard, is like gold dust in the Indian cricket system.

Exactly . Any coach who picks fast guys and tells them to bowl fast in good areas is worth at least $20 million per year in my eyes for Indian cricket 

 

the cukture of bowl 78 in nice areas is sickening in Indian cricket . But it’s all changing and maybe has alrwdy changed from top to bottom the change is there 

[sensible-indian]

59 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

He taunting Shami saying that everyone is talking about him bowling with pace, bounce and hostility but he has got 2 wickets and Ashwin has 3. ( conveniently forgetting that an easy catch was dropped off Shami and a plumb LBW not given was not reviewed because umpire Llong erroniously indicated that the ball had hit the bat. He also ignored the fact that this pitch had less help for pacers than spinners on day 3  )

 

He also  taunted Kohli saying something to the effect .... Oh, Kohli and his love for pace and bounce.

Absolutely pathetic. I am shocked he used results like that.

 

In cricket, sometimes there isn't much of a difference between a 2fer and a 4fer. Or a 3fer and a 5fer.

 

You need luck too.

[Rasgulla]

How phasttt umesh yadav bowling these days ? Constantly getting dropped from Team. He needs to bowl even phaster

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, Vilander said:

Esp important because age err sorry fitness is not in his side.he is 24 still btw. :)

Cricinfo says 27

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, maniac said:

Instead of giving the obvious advice, I would like the Indian bowling  coach do the following- Ensure the lengths change based on the conditions we are playing in....It took our bowlers a while to figure out the right length in a seam bowling paradise in the first test....the advice that bowl fast and hit the top of offstump is a basic cricket 101

Top of off works everywhere irrespective of the pitch.

[vayuu1]

Ishant working with prabhakar has worked well for him, he has clearly worked on his wrist position.

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[vayuu1]

Earlier ishant used to be bowling 6-7 m length with a bit of scrambled seam, now he is bowling 4-5 m length regularly with more upright seam.

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[vayuu1]

Waiting for someone to update the bowling speeds for Ishant and Shami! Please

Ishant avg pace 137 fastest 143
Shami avg pace 138 fastest 142

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[New guy]

11 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Funny thing is, most Indian coaches and captains of the past have not given this apparently obvious advice. Misconceptions, bias and prejudice ran deep in Indian cricket even a few years back.

 

Pacers were told to cut down on speed to improve their accuracy .... bowl slower to get more swing .... not to hit the deck to get swing .... not to bowl with full effort to avoid injury .... Indian bodies are not suited to bowling quick .... misconceptions and prejudices galore.

 

Did you listen to Manjrekar today, taunting Shami for bowling with pace, bounce and hostility but still getting one less wicket than Ashwin or taunting Kohli for liking quick bowlers  ?  The disease runs deep in the system and advising pacers to combine accuracy with pace and hit the deck hard, is like gold dust in the Indian cricket system.

Well for years we bought into the myth that Indians are physically weak and cannot bowl fast so should focus on their strengths which is line and length and leave the attacking to the spinners