Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Pandya bowled beautifully today . Just had great rhythm and ball coming out perfect 

 

as his rhythm was good he was not even trying to bowl fast . But as it was all happening prefect and rhythm was good speeds were up today . Best he is bowled since landing in sa , was genuine pace bowler today 

 

 

Pandya has been bowling fast in the last 3 ODIs ... and bowled well in 2 of them.

 

For most pacers, bowling quickly does make a positive difference.

Edited February 13, 2018 by express bowling

[Vilander]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

Pandya hits Rabada on the helmet with a sharp bouncer

 

Rabada being checked by doctor

somehow i feel we havent seen the last of this.. Rabada picked up by DD right..ad harddick Mi will be fun for some time to come.

[express bowling]

Just now, Vilander said:

somehow i feel we havent seen the last of this.. Rabada picked up by DD right..ad harddick Mi will be fun for some time to come.

 

Tussle between fast bowlers is always fun.

[Nikhil_cric]

On 2/12/2018 at 10:33 AM, MCcricket said:

Pandya needs to work a bit on his action , so he can bowl fast easily n avoid injury, he bends his leg too much while delivering rather then bracing front foot, also his backfoot landing aint great, n he looses quite a bit of height at delivery, his runup needs a bit of tweak as well

I missed this post but some very good observations. Hardik should work hard on his bowling and be in the team primarily as someone who can be a fifth bowler and can slog a few. Because he loses height at delivery, he's not generating enough bounce that could trouble batsmen. Bit too easy to hit at the moment.

[Vijy]

On 2/13/2018 at 1:11 PM, express bowling said:

Pandya hits Rabada on the helmet with a sharp bouncer

 

Rabada being checked by doctor

wish he had pinged Rabada a few more times.

[Mosher]

I think Siraj will be a better fit for the ODI's.

 

 

 

[rkt.india]

23 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I missed this post but some very good observations. Hardik should work hard on his bowling and be in the team primarily as someone who can be a fifth bowler and can slog a few. Because he loses height at delivery, he's not generating enough bounce that could trouble batsmen. Bit too easy to hit at the moment.

Its the pace that generates bounce, not just height. Donald and Brett Lee had very low delivery stride. I had posted it before too. Credit for pointing this out goes to ian pont.

[Rightarmfast]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Its the pace that generates bounce, not just height. Donald and Brett Lee had very low delivery stride. I had posted it before too. Credit for pointing this out goes to ian pont.

Wonder why Glenn Mcgrath bowling at 133k's had more bounce than Aaron bowling at 150! 

 

To cut things short, that statement of yours is not correct. Its pretty vague. Theres a lot involved than pace. A bowler who wants bounce obviously is going to use his action for bounce, especially the last movement, which is wrist. Or he could use the whole of the lattisimus dorsi with the extension of hand to generate bounce, however the deliveries will not be express. 

 

I think a correct statement would be a bowler uses his action to generate bounce and bounce is not dependent solely on height of the bowler. 

[rkt.india]

34 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Wonder why Glenn Mcgrath bowling at 133k's had more bounce than Aaron bowling at 150! 

 

To cut things short, that statement of yours is not correct. Its pretty vague. Theres a lot involved than pace. A bowler who wants bounce obviously is going to use his action for bounce, especially the last movement, which is wrist. Or he could use the whole of the lattisimus dorsi with the extension of hand to generate bounce, however the deliveries will not be express. 

 

I think a correct statement would be a bowler uses his action to generate bounce and bounce is not dependent solely on height of the bowler. 

i think you did not read the full sentence. there is something more after what you bolded. i did not say pace alone. i said pace gets you bounce not just height. 133 is good enough pace to get bounce, but higher pace is even better.  yes, a tall bowler like Mcgrath will get bounce from less shorter trajectory than a short bowler.  this is the positioning at the delivery stride a fast bowler should collapsed back leg, braced front leg. Look at how low they are in the stride.

Edited February 15, 2018 by rkt.india

[express bowling]

There are many factors which help generate extra bounce.

 

Every other factor remaining same, a  faster bowler gets more bounce.

 

I think what Pont has said is ... if a pacer designs his action to generate more pace ,  at the cost of lowering the point of release ... he still gets bounce and it is the pace which generates the bounce.

 

 

Edited February 15, 2018 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

26 minutes ago, express bowling said:

There are many factors which help generate extra bounce.

 

Everything other factor remaining same, a  faster bowler gets more bounce.

 

I think what Pont has said is ... if a pacer designs his action to generate more pace ,  at the cost of lowering the point of release ... he still gets bounce and it is the pace which generates the bounce.

 

 

There have been a lot of tall bowlers who got bounce due to height but McGrath's strength was not just bounce but accuracy.  Harmison was quicker and got more bounce than him at around the same height but was not accurate enough. Harmison was '4, MacGrath 6'5" 

Edited February 15, 2018 by rkt.india

[CoverDrive]

I wish Pandya would  develops a yorker. Something he never bowls I think. Right now it is all about good length and back of length and varying pace. On two paced or fast pitches this will work great but on flat belters someone can just stay back and belt him around. 

[Nikhil_cric]

11 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Its the pace that generates bounce, not just height. Donald and Brett Lee had very low delivery stride. I had posted it before too. Credit for pointing this out goes to ian pont.

Taller bowlers with a short extension at the crease will generate more bounce than a shorter bowler with the sane extension won't they? 

[Nikhil_cric]

8 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

Arm length also determines bounce,not just height, pace ,technique.Some people have longer arms.

This is also true. Tall guys with long levers, a high arm action and minimum extension at the crease generate the most bounce AFAIK. 

[MCcricket]

18 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

This is also true. Tall guys with long levers, a high arm action and minimum extension at the crease generate the most bounce AFAIK. 

One more factor is whippy action n wrist snap.

[Number]

Isn't Saini a better bowler than Shardul ? Is Saini not there in ODI squad. 

[rkt.india]

24 minutes ago, Number said:

Isn't Saini a better bowler than Shardul ? Is Saini not there in ODI squad. 

No. He isn't in the squad.

[express bowling]

 

12 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

No. He isn't in the squad.

 

What speed ranges have Bumrah and Shardul bowled at  ?

 

Missed the first 8 overs.

[Rightarmfast]

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

What speed ranges have Bumrah and Shardul bowled at  ?

 

Missed the first 8 overs.

Shardul mostly 133ish and fastest at 140. Bumrah clocked 145. The SA commentators were saying they were pretty impressed by Bumrahs pace coz he was consistently bowling above 140.

[Mosher]

1 hour ago, Rightarmfast said:

Shardul mostly 133ish and fastest at 140. Bumrah clocked 145. The SA commentators were saying they were pretty impressed by Bumrahs pace coz he was consistently bowling above 140.

How did Shardul bowl? 

Edited February 16, 2018 by Mosher