Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[express bowling]

Shami did not get a single over against tailenders, against whom he is generally good... although they were difficult to dislodge.  

 

Kohli captaining, Ishant and Umesh bowling and Harbhajan commentating ...  what is the combined IQ  ?

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Shami was over bowled in the 2nd innings. 

 

7 over first spell  and  not bowled when tailenders were batting.  

 

It is difficult to understand kaptaan saab's thought process.

[Nikhil_cric]

Umesh bowled rather well today. Didn't spray it much 

[Mosher]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

7 over first spell  and  not bowled when tailenders were batting.  

 

It is difficult to understand kaptaan saab's thought process.

I meant Shami's 1st spell was a bit long. He should be bowled in short bursts of 4-5 overs.. 

[express bowling]

Just now, Mosher said:

I meant Shami's 1st spell was a bit long. He should be bowled in short bursts of 4-5 overs.. 

 

I know what you said  ...  and I agree completely.    : )

 

Shami should not bowl 7 over spells.

[express bowling]

Bowling speeds -- 1st test 2nd innings

 

ShamI

 

Fastest     144 k

Average    138 k

 

Ishant

Fastest     144 k

Average    135 k

 

Umesh

Fastest     142 k

Average    137 k

 

 

Source -- BCCI.tv

 

(  BCCI.tv speeds are slower than speeds shown on TV  by  0.20 kph  ...  I have adjusted to TV speeds )

 

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

Umesh  has bowled a better line in the 2nd innings ...  better average speed too but top speed needs to improve ... got consistent outswing ... bowled some decent bouncers.    

 

2 wickets as a result.

[CG]

Umesh  has bowled a better line in the 2nd innings ...  better average speed too but top speed needs to improve ... got consistent outswing ... bowled some decent bouncers.    
 
2 wickets as a result.

Kohli made a error overbowling a tired Shami instead of bringing
Umesh early.

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, CG said:

Kohli made a error overbowling a tired Shami instead of bringing
Umesh early.

 

Yes.  

 

A 5 over spell first up for Shami ... bring on Umesh after that ... bowl Shami when tailenders are batting.

[express bowling]

Now that we have become a good bowling side in tests  ... picking 20 wickets regularly both home and away (  my childhood dream ) ...  we have become an amateur batting side.

 

The irony  !

[rkt.india]

18 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Now that we have become a good bowling side in tests  ... picking 20 wickets regularly both home and away (  my childhood dream ) ...  we have become an amateur batting side.

 

The irony  !

its all relative. One same pitches, bowlers get such success, obviously, batsmen will struggle form both sides.  England struggled at their home, so, this is no surprise than Indian batsmen struggled to against the superior bowling.  Even our fab batsmen would have struggled.

[Straight Drive]

2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Umesh bowled rather well today. Didn't spray it much 

Think he intentionally reduced pace to improve his line and length.

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Think he intentionally reduced pace to improve his line and length.

he actually increased his pace in the second innings.  He reduced his pace in the first innings where he was barely crossing 135K. 

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

its all relative. One same pitches, bowlers get such success, obviously, batsmen will struggle form both sides.  England struggled at their home, so, this is no surprise than Indian batsmen struggled to against the superior bowling.  Even our fab batsmen would have struggled.

 

Batsmen all over the world are playing with hard hands and pushing at the channel balls, after the advent of T20s.  Not playing county cricket and playing T20 leagues have contributed to this too.

 

Till the mid 2000s, swing bowling was easy  (  unless you faced a master like Hadlee, Kaipil or Wasim )  and pace and bounce posed the biggest challenge.

 

Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Dravid or Ganguly would have had a field day on this pitch against Curran and Co.

Edited August 3, 2018 by express bowling

[MK55]

Cant wait to have Bumrah back. Shami needs to be kept fresh. Max 5 over spells.

Umesh is unreliable and slow. Cant remember the last time when he failed to reach even 90mph in a match. Should be dropped for being stupid and timid.

I'll have Shami Bumrah and Ishant as the first choice. BK seems to have prolonged fitness issue.

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Batsmen all over the world are playing with hard hands and pushing at the channel balls, after the advent of T20s.  Not playing county cricket and playing T20 leagues have contributed to this too.

 

Till the mid 2000s, swing bowling was easy  (  unless you faced a master like Hadlee, Kaipil or Wasim )  and pace and bounce posed the biggest challenge.

 

Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Dravid or Ganguly would have had a field day on this pitch against Curran and Co.if 

If only ball was just swinging. It's seaming off the pitch as well that is most difficult to handle.

 

Regarding last part, not really. We have seen them crumble on such pitches time and time again. They made 76 at home in 2006.

Edited August 4, 2018 by rkt.india

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

If only ball was just swinging. It's seaming off the pitch as well that is most difficult to handle.

 

Ball always seams a bit in tests in England. But so many batters used to score regularly there.

 

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Regarding last part, not really. We have seen them crumble on such pitches time and time again. They made 76 at home in 2006.

 

There are no demons on this pitch. Every expert who has inspected it, including Ganguly, Manjrekar, Hussain, have said that the pitch looks good. Some seam movement is pretty standard in most SENA countries.

 

Batsmen are having difficulty because they don't know how to tackle consistent swing. The moment the swing has reduced when the sun shone, even tailenders have looked decent.

 

Those batters I mentioned used to score regularly in England when the ball swung a lot and seamed a bit.

Edited August 4, 2018 by express bowling

[Vilander]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

just swinging. It's seaming off the pitch as well that is most difficult to handle.

agree there is swing and seam in this game. But less of swing at times and no uneven bounce and no alarming seam movement through. Meaning its a pitch were bats can score...some poor shots like one from Rahane, some geneuin good balls like one for Vijay..

[Vilander]

11 hours ago, rkt.india said:

he actually increased his pace in the second innings.  He reduced his pace in the first innings where he was barely crossing 135K. 

yes pace is up and he is picking wickets again, the guy is thick he needs to operate at his natural pace which worked for him. 

[Vilander]

12 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Ball always seams a bit in tests in England. But so many batters used to score regularly there.

 

 

There are no demons on this pitch. Every expert who has inspected it, including Ganguly, Manjrekar, Hussain, have said that the pitch looks good. Some seam movement is pretty standard in most SENA countries.

 

Batsmen are having difficulty because they don't know how to tackle swing. The moment the swing has reduced when the sun shone, even tailenders have looked decent.

 

Those batters I mentioned used to score regularly in England when the ball swung a lot and seamed a bit.

and its the first test man..usually its lame for visiting team..but bowling from India and Kohli ment India is going to win it.