Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[wc2023]

13 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

As far as I know, he injured his knee atleast twice and it has become a chronic issue with him.

 

He has been very slow in the later part of 2020 and early 2021.

 

 

 

 

Many pacers bowl quickly in T20s but bowl slower in ODIs and even more slowly in test matches.

 

Quite common among second rung pacers. 

 

 

Okay when did he last time bowl 148kph in t20i can you mention that match

[Suhaan]

12 minutes ago, wc2023 said:

Okay when did he last time bowl 148kph in t20i can you mention that match

Ok i knew it already what was your agenda,but i was waiting for you to reveal it more clearer

 

Just a cross question ,when did Shaheen ever bowl 152+ in t20i?

 

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, wc2023 said:

Okay when did he last time bowl 148kph in t20i can you mention that match

 

It was some match not featuring India ... so don't remember the exact match but I remember the incident because the commentators were saying that Stokes can crank it up in T20s but does not reach these speeds in test matches.

 

But my point was not regarding exact speeds.

 

My point was that India has much quicker bowlers than the ones playing but we are choosing to play the slowest ones we have.

 

And this is resulting in no variation in our pace attack ... Which is not a good thing in T20s 

[wc2023]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

It was some match not featuring India ... so don't remember the exact match but I remember the incident because the commentators were saying that Stokes can crank it up in T20s but does not reach these speeds in test matches.

 

But my point was not regarding exact speeds.

 

My point was that India has much quicker bowlers than the ones playing but we are choosing to play the slowest ones we have.

 

And this is resulting in no variation in our pace attack ... Which is not a good thing in T20s 

I agree with you  but  my point is Wood belongs to a diiferent league interms of pace saini is quick but not as quick as Wood 

[wc2023]

4 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Ok i knew it already what was your agenda,but i was waiting for you to reveal it more clearer

 

Just a cross question ,when did Shaheen ever bowl 152+ in t20i?

 

Lol now you are running away couldn't you find 150kph that saini bowled vs Nz

[Suhaan]

1 minute ago, wc2023 said:

Lol now you are running away couldn't you find 150kph that saini bowled vs Nz

Lol im not running away prove me wrong pull the analysis,ok tell me what you are upto here?

 

[express bowling]

Shardul has an ER of 10.8 runs per over in a lowish scoring match.

[wc2023]

23 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Lol im not running away prove me wrong pull the analysis,ok tell me what you are upto here?

 

Lol don't act like a fool. Why are you hesitant to provide proof of saini hitting 150kph vs Nz

[Global.Baba]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Shardul has an ER of 10.8 runs per over in a lowish scoring match.

He is the least of our problems. He plays as a 3rd seamer because he can take wickets and can bat. A true X factor player who doesn’t have the hype or the endorsements.

 

Problem lies with the spin and pace spearheads who suck.

 

Get 3 best bowlers and all of a sudden Sundar-Thakur and Pandya combo for the remaining spots will look like Gold.

[Forward Defence]

Chahal is not bowling the wrong one well these days. Not getting it to turn

[Suhaan]

1 minute ago, wc2023 said:

Lol don't act like a fool. Why are you hesitant to provide proof of saini hitting 150kph vs Nz

Lol ,why are you getting triggered?you said he didn't bowl,prove me wrong if he hasn't,i would admit it straightaway?

Besides that you need to tell me when did Shaheen bowl 152+ outside psl  guns?

[Lone Wolf]

Just now, Forward Defence said:

Chahal is not bowling the wrong one well these days. Not getting it to turn

Not sure why are you surprised?  He never had a proper googly.  Just some kabadi version of it &,  he himself knows he gets thrashed or slog swept..  So keeps bowling wider.  No variation no flipper. 

[rkt.india]

14 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

He is the least of our problems. He plays as a 3rd seamer because he can take wickets and can bat. A true X factor player who doesn’t have the hype or the endorsements.

 

Problem lies with the spin and pace spearheads who suck.

 

Get 3 best bowlers and all of a sudden Sundar-Thakur and Pandya combo for the remaining spots will look like Gold.

He is playing as second seamer.

[wc2023]

16 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Lol ,why are you getting triggered?you said he didn't bowl,prove me wrong if he hasn't,i would admit it straightaway?

Besides that you need to tell me when did Shaheen bowl 152+ outside psl  guns?

Lol now you are trying to divert discussion 

I know you are aware that you lied blatantly and know you are trying to cover up that .By the way as I mentioned earlier please refer  to page number 740 to 756 of this thtead to get the speed data you are looking for?

 

[Forward Defence]

10 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Not sure why are you surprised?  He never had a proper googly.  Just some kabadi version of it &,  he himself knows he gets thrashed or slog swept..  So keeps bowling wider.  No variation no flipper. 

He did have a decent enough googly. I remember him getting Root bowled in the T20 series in Eng and also Faf in the Wc. Now he isnt even bowling them. Legspinners like Hasaranga and even Rashid in the meanwhile are doing well with their wrong ones. The one thing that has always been atrocious about Chahal is his outfield catching and that hasn't improved one bit. Other legspinning options are Rahul Chahar and Bishnoi. Chahar may be given a go and Bishnoi needs to develop his legspin stock delivery. Tewatia also is a good option overall but dont know if he can be a lead spinner. Anyway if we decide to not stick with Chahal we have to back the one who replaces him.

Who do you think is the best candidate to replace him at this moment?

[express bowling]

30 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

He is the least of our problems. He plays as a 3rd seamer because he can take wickets and can bat. A true X factor player who doesn’t have the hype or the endorsements.

 

Problem lies with the spin and pace spearheads who suck.

 

Get 3 best bowlers and all of a sudden Sundar-Thakur and Pandya combo for the remaining spots will look like Gold.

 

 

Individually none of the bowlers are problems barring Chahal in his current form.

 

But the problem is that we don't have any enforcer bowlers or true wicket takers.

 

Would any batting line-up be worried about Bhuvi, Shardul. Hardik seam attack ??

 

We must think of the bowling attack as a whole.

 

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

10 minutes ago, Forward Defence said:

He did have a decent enough googly. I remember him getting Root bowled in the T20 series in Eng and also Faf in the Wc. Now he isnt even bowling them. Legspinners like Hasaranga and even Rashid in the meanwhile are doing well with their wrong ones. The one thing that has always been atrocious about Chahal is his outfield catching and that hasn't improved one bit. Other legspinning options are Rahul Chahar and Bishnoi. Chahar may be given a go and Bishnoi needs to develop his legspin stock delivery. Tewatia also is a good option overall but dont know if he can be a lead spinner. Anyway if we decide to not stick with Chahal we have to back the one who replaces him.

Who do you think is the best candidate to replace him at this moment?

Rahul Chahar & Bishnoi are the first options..  Rahul Chahar imo deserves the spot. 

Chahal is averaging  42 in last 21 T20Is with an economy of over 9.44. That's almost 10 RPO.  In 21 matches he has taken 18 wickets only.  I don't know WTH he is doing in the team?  Even a discarded Kuldeep has better stats. 

Kuldeep meanwhile since 2018

Matches 12

Wickets 27

Economy 6.77

Average 11.66

 

That's world class Rashid Khan level..  Not that he is our immediate answer but miles better than chahal

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Clown King and his pathbreaking team selections - bowling and batting.

 

Other teams must be learning what not to do come the T20 WC. For e.g not to pack the side only with medium pacers

Edited March 16, 2021 by ShoonyaSifar

[R!TTER]

1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said:

 Not that he is our immediate answer but miles better than chahal

 

Every time they played together it was pretty clear who was the better player/bowler except for this guy of course 

[Forward Defence]

4 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Rahul Chahar & Bishnoi are the first options..  Rahul Chahar imo deserves the spot. 

Chahal is averaging  42 in last 21 T20Is with an economy of over 9.44. That's almost 10 RPO.  In 21 matches he has taken 18 wickets only.  I don't know WTH he is doing in the team?  Even a discarded Kuldeep has better stats. 

Kuldeep meanwhile since 2018

Matches 12

Wickets 27

Economy 6.77

Average 11.66

 

That's world class Rashid Khan level..  Not that he is our immediate answer but miles better than chahal

 

Fair enough.