Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[vishalvirsingh]

Good bowling by avesh... Getting bounce off just short of good length

[Need4Speed]

35 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Innocuous Mukesh Kumar, getting picked in all 3 formats, is probably the greatest scam in Indian cricket.

 

Has very poor to poor bowling averages in the IPL, ODIs, List A and T20Is. Lacks pace, bounce or significant swing. Not that accurate either.

 

Plus can't bat and ordinary fielder. 

Uganda Nepal can play him easily too..

actually all these domestic star bowlers..should be asked to bowl against first these icc rank 8-15 number teams..in some internal compeition..surely bcci can arrange that..and include our u23 teams too

Edited December 21, 2023 by Need4Speed

[tapandrun]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

Innocuous Mukesh Kumar, getting picked in all 3 formats, is probably the greatest scam in Indian cricket.

 

Has very poor to poor bowling averages in the IPL, ODIs, List A and T20Is. Lacks pace, bounce or significant swing. Not that accurate either.

 

Plus can't bat and ordinary fielder. 

Ganguly, Dravid and Agarkar -- All have/had some kind of role in DC

[harpicP]

7 hours ago, Number said:

All said and done, really really impressed by Arshdeep.

He has figured out the stock ball which is so vital for longer formats.

Seam position has never been an issue and he is tall so he can extract some bounce although needs a lot of work on that.

Average pace can improve but it's not that bad if he can avg around 134-135.

He is putting some work in his batting and that shows he has good attitude. 

I hope he continues the good work.

 

Credit where it's due. He has improved tremendously. Arshdeep deserves a shot in odi. I am not sure if should play tests. Can he maintain intensity in tests and bowl 25 to 40 overs across 2 innings? 

[harpicP]

7 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

bechare ko shaadi k baad bedroom mei hona tha..yahan patak diya..this is his revenge..haha

We usually win the series when someone goes away after the birth of a child or for honeymoon. Does he need to go? Cause it will be good luck for the team.

[harpicP]

9 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Wow, this Mukesh Kumar seems to have some real heavy backing behind. Cant understand how a trundler, talentless idiot like him can be given so many chance. Whats the future of Indian cricket? 

Trying to understand what angle resulted in his selection. 

 

Handsome? Yes he is

Marketable? Yes he has a huge following 

Quota? Yes caste or whatever it may be. Fills the quota. 

Political backing? Perhaps he will be a future MP. 

 

He got the wicket of Miller ans that won us the game. So he will be playing tests now.

[harpicP]

On 12/20/2023 at 4:04 PM, Suhaan said:

You can argue for that, I understand that is subjective

But I have seen enough of these uncapped bolwers and more so here

Infact most older members have that eye for pace

We have been majorly accurate with our eyetest here

He has been no less than peak Umesh Yadav in terms of pace in his time

Gaurav yadav? He was rapid as in ranji a few years back. 

Nathu Singh another one that was real quick.

[singhvivek141]

Arshdeep has shown good progress in this series, as I said trundlers should always have some exceptional skills or batting ability to justify their place. Arshdeep seems to have add some strength in his hitting ability. If this version of Arshdeep stays fit, he can be useful in T20's & seaming conditions.

 

Avesh Khan's performance has been decent as well, I think his good form during SMAT helped him transition the confidence which he seemed to have been taking during the previous outings.

 

Mukesh Kumar has been the worst of all, he was smashed left & right in SMAT as well, not sure if selectors have learnt a thing or two from his performance. But he is bang average in all 3 departments.

[singhvivek141]

12 minutes ago, harpicP said:

Trying to understand what angle resulted in his selection. 

 

Handsome? Yes he is

Marketable? Yes he has a huge following 

Quota? Yes caste or whatever it may be. Fills the quota. 

Political backing? Perhaps he will be a future MP. 

 

He got the wicket of Miller ans that won us the game. So he will be playing tests now.

Sarcasm

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, harpicP said:

Credit where it's due. He has improved tremendously. Arshdeep deserves a shot in odi. I am not sure if should play tests. Can he maintain intensity in tests and bowl 25 to 40 overs across 2 innings? 

 

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Arshdeep has shown good progress in this series, as I said trundlers should always have some exceptional skills or batting ability to justify their place. Arshdeep seems to have add some strength in his hitting ability. If this version of Arshdeep stays fit, he can be useful in T20's & seaming conditions.

 

Avesh Khan's performance has been decent as well, I think his good form during SMAT helped him transition the confidence which he seemed to have been taking during the previous outings.

 

Mukesh Kumar has been the worst of all, he was smashed left & right in SMAT as well, not sure if selectors have learnt a thing or two from his performance. But he is bang average in all 3 departments.

Yes,he should be applauded for his performance here,but what I like about Arshadeep now is he has taken batting seriously ood for the boy

He knows just being a specialist bowler won't cut it

Hope he maintains pace around 138-142 with bounce and swing and improve further

Now has to learn the art of bowling on surfaces which has nothing to offer,he should be in the mix

[harpicP]

Seriously though. Full respect to guys like Mukesh etc who toiled hard in domestics. I appreciate all that effort. Yes they do well in first class. But the real challenge is overseas in sena. 

 

We can't afford to give practice games in the actual test series for players to develop. 

 

You need to show promise in A tours first and some ability to bowl pace between 135 to 145 or have skills plus consistent ability to generate bounce on flat wickets. 

 

If this isn't possible then sorry you shouldn't get picked for india. 

[rollingstoned]

Arshdeep seems to have learnt a thing or 2 about sticking to consistent line and length and setting batsmen up probably after playing county cricket. Fear initially was that he had lost his death bowling by playing too much long form cricket and turning into a new ball swing bowler but he has not lost that completely. He still needs to add a bouncer in there somewhere whcih will make him even more potent and keep the batsmen guessing and make better use of his height. Good on him though I feel there are better prospects than him for 50 over cricket and we may benefit more imo from making him focus only on T20s so we get 4 bankable overs there. 

[harpicP]

11 hours ago, express bowling said:

Our spinners can't spin the ball.

 

Our pacers can't get the ball to go through even on lively SA pitches.

 

What a pathetic bowling attack in this ODI  !

Arshdeep was the best bowler of the series

[deepdynamo]

After the retirement of Ishant and moving away from Bhuvi and Umesh, we have got 

Bumrah, Shami and Siraj as our first choice attack. We should preserve Shami and Bumrah for most important assignments and Siraj can be all format bowler right now.

-Prasidh Krishna is next in line and we should strictly bar him for T20. Let him concentrate on both longer format only.

-Somehow Mukesh Kumar is also in the mix as 'all format bowler". He has no upside and should be discarded immediately. If any, his best format is the longest format and should be given opportunity when main attack warrant rest.

 

- Arshdeep is being groomed as T20 and ODI leader and should stick to that. No tests for him as of now.

-Shardul Thakur is neither here nor there. He is currently filling as 4th seamer in away test but he has been regressing pretty fast. He provide no value in ODI. He can be tried in T20 if the TM focus on multi faceted T20 team.

-Deepak Chahar is a T20 bowler. That's it.

-Pandya is more of a batting allrounder but can be a piece of puzzle in ODI and T20.

- Avesh Khan had a previous failed term with team but somehow came back again in the mix in both shorter format. Should be discarded and if persisted, play him as a filler in T20 format only.

- Next in Line India A seamers are V kaverapp and Harshit Rana. These two are next in queue.
Akashdeep & Tushar Deshpande are supposedly the next in line that will be backed. ( based on their selection in India-A vs SA-A )


Not in contention as of now 
-Navdeep Saini ( Too old and why selectors keep coming back to him for A tours)
-Umran Malik ( India's fastest bowler but without control. I think TM has given up on him. Now only he can save his own career by lightning up IPL. Otherwise he is a gone case.)
-Shivam Mavi ( Disappeared after trying to become a line and length bowler- can still make a comeback in T20 but he is far behind the pecking order)
- Harshal Patel ( he had his time in sun, not coming back)
- T Natrajan ( was a good filler bowler but he is 33 now and his time us up)
- Kuldeep Sen ( 1 ODI and then injured and discarded)

 

 

 

[Mesky99]

10 hours ago, harpicP said:

Gaurav yadav? He was rapid as in ranji a few years back. 

Nathu Singh another one that was real quick.

This lad minad manjrekar has barely played for mumbai, season after season he gets ignored by the chutiya mumbai selectors, strong, tall, genarates good bounce, pace.  Great talent 

 

[harpicP]

1 hour ago, Mesky99 said:

This lad minad manjrekar has barely played for mumbai, season after season he gets ignored by the chutiya mumbai selectors, strong, tall, genarates good bounce, pace.  Great talent 

 

Looks really good. Ofocurse he won't get picked. They need cooomers and avesh khans

[tapandrun]

8 hours ago, deepdynamo said:

After the retirement of Ishant and moving away from Bhuvi and Umesh, we have got 

Bumrah, Shami and Siraj as our first choice attack. We should preserve Shami and Bumrah for most important assignments and Siraj can be all format bowler right now.

-Prasidh Krishna is next in line and we should strictly bar him for T20. Let him concentrate on both longer format only.

-Somehow Mukesh Kumar is also in the mix as 'all format bowler". He has no upside and should be discarded immediately. If any, his best format is the longest format and should be given opportunity when main attack warrant rest.

 

- Arshdeep is being groomed as T20 and ODI leader and should stick to that. No tests for him as of now.

-Shardul Thakur is neither here nor there. He is currently filling as 4th seamer in away test but he has been regressing pretty fast. He provide no value in ODI. He can be tried in T20 if the TM focus on multi faceted T20 team.

-Deepak Chahar is a T20 bowler. That's it.

-Pandya is more of a batting allrounder but can be a piece of puzzle in ODI and T20.

- Avesh Khan had a previous failed term with team but somehow came back again in the mix in both shorter format. Should be discarded and if persisted, play him as a filler in T20 format only.

- Next in Line India A seamers are V kaverapp and Harshit Rana. These two are next in queue.
Akashdeep & Tushar Deshpande are supposedly the next in line that will be backed. ( based on their selection in India-A vs SA-A )


Not in contention as of now 
-Navdeep Saini ( Too old and why selectors keep coming back to him for A tours)
-Umran Malik ( India's fastest bowler but without control. I think TM has given up on him. Now only he can save his own career by lightning up IPL. Otherwise he is a gone case.)
-Shivam Mavi ( Disappeared after trying to become a line and length bowler- can still make a comeback in T20 but he is far behind the pecking order)
- Harshal Patel ( he had his time in sun, not coming back)
- T Natrajan ( was a good filler bowler but he is 33 now and his time us up)
- Kuldeep Sen ( 1 ODI and then injured and discarded)

 

 

 

Should start looking for shami's replacements, also need to bring back-up for bhumrah -he is getting injured too often.

 

 

 

[Lord]

but but Arshdeep isnt an ODI bowler

[harpicP]

Arshdeep averaged 9.5 in this series vs full strength saffer limeup.

 

9.5 !!!!

 

His list a stats is good enough 26.5

And remember he was young at the time

 

In first class its 29. That's a little bit of the high side but he can improve. 

[harpicP]

New bowlers to be drafted in. 

 

Not including prasidh as he is already in the first team

 

Arshdeep

Rana

Tyagi

Mayank yadav

Keverappa

 

Potentially more with

Umran If he improves