Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[harpicP]

24 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

He was indeed..I read somewhere that he outpaced Klusener & Donald in 1999 WC and was second fastest after Shoaib.

Sri prime with his pace and bounce should ha e had lot better figures. He was unlucky to be born in that era and had zero support from other side. 

 

You just play him and kumble out then easy peasy. Smash the rest.

 

If he was born in current era with current gen indian bowlers, he would be a 24 averaging bowler

Instead of 29. 

 

I remember many times he was overbowled cause we had no one else

 

Jayasuriya used to smack around everyone but he had issues with Sri. 

[ind_hyd1]

Why is Lord Chahar not playing Ranji Trophy. Sad to  see Kuldeep Sen, Simarjeet Singh,Akash Singh, Rajyavardhan,Mukesh Choudhary,Mayank YAdav etc. not playing the premier domestic competition.

[tapandrun]

Never in favour of comparing player from different era, pre-speedometer ara there would have been many bowlers bowling at v.high pace in their prime.

Have heard  many top-batters  mentioning Waqar was fastest they faced, Donald was also rapid there would be many in-between. 

 

We have seen many bowlers had a sudden drop in pace -Pathan, Amir, Rabada, Shaheen so saying that pre-speedometer era bowlers were not that fast would not be a completely true statement. With nothing to refer they might have not know that their pace is decreasing and they had rather long carrier so dip in pace is something going to happen.

 

Post-Speedometer bowlers had something to refer to and know where their pace is, heard Akthar mentioning that at one point he was not able to push beyond a certain pace, then he had to work hard and then Both Lee and him had a sort of competition which they have mentioned quite openly in recent past , they had motivation and a reference to check back where they are at all the time which pre-speedometer bowlers didnt have. 

 

Apart from Lee, Akthar, Tait there wont be many who have maintained express pace through out their carrier. 

 

Only Wood has been able to achieve express pace post 30s after returning from injury which is nearly unheard of  

 

[MediumPacer]

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[rollingstoned]

Where is pacer Umran Malik, asks ex-opener Chopra

10 January,2024 06:31 AM IST |  New Delhi  |  IANS

What happened within three months that a guy first gets selected for the Indian team, gets very minimum chances there, and then goes totally missing? We don’t even know where Umran Malik is. Why isn’t he there? We should know why this is happening”

 

 

Umran Malik and Aakash Chopra

 

Former Indian cricketer Aakash Chopra expressed concerns over the speed sensation Umran Malik's absence from recent national squad.

 

 

 

Chopra, sharing his thoughts on his YouTube channel, questioned the sudden disappearance of the pace bowler. "Till some time back, Umran Malik was everywhere. We took him to the West Indies as well, and it seemed like he could be in the World Cup team too, but now he is not there in any of the teams. He doesn't even get selected for India A," Chopra expressed his concern. "What happened within three months that a guy first gets selected for the Indian team, gets very minimum chances there, and then goes totally missing? We don't even know where Umran Malik is. Why isn't he there? We should know why this is happening."

 

 

Edited January 11, 2024 by rollingstoned

[Rightarmfast]

30 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

Where is pacer Umran Malik, asks ex-opener Chopra

10 January,2024 06:31 AM IST |  New Delhi  |  IANS

What happened within three months that a guy first gets selected for the Indian team, gets very minimum chances there, and then goes totally missing? We don’t even know where Umran Malik is. Why isn’t he there? We should know why this is happening”

 

 

Umran Malik and Aakash Chopra

 

Former Indian cricketer Aakash Chopra expressed concerns over the speed sensation Umran Malik's absence from recent national squad.

 

 

 

Chopra, sharing his thoughts on his YouTube channel, questioned the sudden disappearance of the pace bowler. "Till some time back, Umran Malik was everywhere. We took him to the West Indies as well, and it seemed like he could be in the World Cup team too, but now he is not there in any of the teams. He doesn't even get selected for India A," Chopra expressed his concern. "What happened within three months that a guy first gets selected for the Indian team, gets very minimum chances there, and then goes totally missing? We don't even know where Umran Malik is. Why isn't he there? We should know why this is happening."

 

 

Indian selection happened to Umran Malik

[Rightarmfast]

On 1/10/2024 at 3:23 AM, harpicP said:

Yea looks scary good. Nice easy action. 

If he was 33 in 98 ish and bowled quick enough then yea 5 years prior to that, he could easily be 150. 

 

But still he never seemed quicker than Hayward to me

Bro, how many matches did Natie Hayward play anyway? 

Hayward was very wayward too! He could bowl in the initial 150's. When Hayward came into the scene, Donald was way past his prime, how would their pace seem similar? 

[prudent_kreeda]

On 1/9/2024 at 9:30 AM, MediumPacer said:

dont know if it's quickened up or not but donald looks quick.

 

Lawry calls him a magnificent athlete ,express and 100mph,certainly looks quick here.

 

 

Nice runup .

 

Donald was real quick around 1992. Watch any video of SA first tour to India in 92. 

Edited January 11, 2024 by prudent_kreeda

[harpicP]

22 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Bro, how many matches did Natie Hayward play anyway? 

Hayward was very wayward too! He could bowl in the initial 150's. When Hayward came into the scene, Donald was way past his prime, how would their pace seem similar? 

Hayward was like very wayward yes. Our batsmen never struggled vs nantie. Average bowler. He was like mohammed same but even faster

Dint play much. Yea he would have been in his prime when donnie boy was close to the fag end of his career. 

 

Still he was rapid. Like real quick though. 

 

Morkel is an underrated guy. Imo he was every bit as quick as any of the fastest bowlers in his prime. Even his low 140s just appeared lot quicker than lot of the bowlers who bowled 150.

[Rightarmfast]

1 hour ago, harpicP said:

Hayward was like very wayward yes. Our batsmen never struggled vs nantie. Average bowler. He was like mohammed same but even faster

Dint play much. Yea he would have been in his prime when donnie boy was close to the fag end of his career. 

 

Still he was rapid. Like real quick though. 

 

Morkel is an underrated guy. Imo he was every bit as quick as any of the fastest bowlers in his prime. Even his low 140s just appeared lot quicker than lot of the bowlers who bowled 150.

Md Sami started as medium-fast medium. Around 138-142 bowler. And all of a sudden from the 2nd to 3rd of his career started bowling really quick. But never had the quality.

[putrevus]

On 1/9/2024 at 4:04 AM, singhvivek141 said:

Pace plus skill is a deadly combo which is more likely to succeed in any condition of the world.

Majority of the world class fast bowlers have operated in this 135-145kph category, very less outside of this bracket. Bumrah, Cummins, Hazelwood, Ambrose, Anderson, McGrath, Gillespie, Akram, Lilee, Holding, Ambrose, Waqar, Srinath, Rabada, Boult, Shami and many more are in this range.

 

Likes of Philander, Pollock, Walsh, Hadlee, Kapil, Southee are the only ones I can recall who were in 125-135 pace range and were successful. Out of which Pollock, Hadlee & Kapil were allrounders.

 

Similarly in 145+ pace range I think Bond, Marshall, Thomson, Akhtar, Starc, Donald are the only ones who were regarded as the successful fast bowlers. Johnson was another one who found his success when he started bowling at his brute speed albeit only for a brief period.

Holding might be one of the fastest bowlers ever,Holding had no great skills other than being accurate and ability to generate bounce due to his height.Holding at his best was easily as fast any Lee or Akthar just more deadly than either of them due to his accuracy.

 

Marshall was not express but he could crank it up when needed but he still is the most skillful bowler who have played this game.

Edited January 11, 2024 by putrevus

[harpicP]

32 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Holding might be one of the fastest bowlers ever,Holding had no great skills other than being accurate and ability to generate bounce due to his height.Holding at his best was easily as fast any Lee or Akthar just more deadly than either of them due to his accuracy.

 

Marshall was not express but he could crank it up when needed but he still is the most skillful bowler who have played this game.

Yep. Those 2 are untouchable. Garner and Roberts too. Next to follow. 

 

Then you have mcgrath 

 

And then guys like donald, steyn, wasim waqar 

Followed by hadlee imran etc.

[Mesky99]

3 hours ago, harpicP said:

Hayward was like very wayward yes. Our batsmen never struggled vs nantie. Average bowler. He was like mohammed same but even faster

Dint play much. Yea he would have been in his prime when donnie boy was close to the fag end of his career. 

 

Still he was rapid. Like real quick though. 

 

Morkel is an underrated guy. Imo he was every bit as quick as any of the fastest bowlers in his prime. Even his low 140s just appeared lot quicker than lot of the bowlers who bowled 150.

Agree with morkel, so difficult to get away, rahane played him well in that innings in 2015 world cup game, Steven finn in 2011 odi series in India was breathing fire, consistent 145kph plus, remember merchant de Lange that man was a tank and express, ngam another express pacer from South Africa.

[tapandrun]

Shaeen was surprised to find his speed was around 132 kmph :

 

https://wisden.com/series-stories/australia-v-pakistan-2023-24/shaheen-afridi-we-were-surprised-not-to-see-speed-guns-go-beyond-132-133-kph-in-australia

[tapandrun]

2 hours ago, harpicP said:

Yep. Those 2 are untouchable. Garner and Roberts too. Next to follow. 

 

Then you have mcgrath 

 

And then guys like donald, steyn, wasim waqar 

Followed by hadlee imran etc.

WI keeper(Richardson) once mentioned that Andy Roberts was fastest he kept to.

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, tapandrun said:

WI keeper(Richardson) once mentioned that Andy Roberts was fastest he kept to.

There is no WI WK named Richardson .The quote you are mentioning  is from Dujon and the fastest bowler he kept was Patrick Patterson.

 

He was really the fastest from WI in that era, even Graham Gooch mentioned about his terrying pace .

[tapandrun]

9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

There is no WI WK named Richardson .The quote you are mentioning  is from Dujon and the fastest bowler he kept was Patrick Patterson.

 

He was really the fastest from WI in that era, even Graham Gooch mentioned about his terrying pace .

Yes got the names wrong 

[singhvivek141]

30 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

WI keeper(Richardson) once mentioned that Andy Roberts was fastest he kept to.

Dave Richardson was South African keeper who retired in 1998.

[harpicP]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

There is no WI WK named Richardson .The quote you are mentioning  is from Dujon and the fastest bowler he kept was Patrick Patterson.

 

He was really the fastest from WI in that era, even Graham Gooch mentioned about his terrying pace .

And Sylvester Clarke. 

[vishalvirsingh]

I will be watching the performance of these fast bowlers in ipl and Ranji closely and I hope selectors you also watch OR else LOOK to Hire my services ( pay me as much as I earn now and I will be glad to do my best which will help India become a PACE BOWLING POWER HOUSE- which will ensure we will win series every where and all formats).

 

Karthik Tyagi- everyone knows about his Speed, BUT I heard he got a lot of wickets in domestic cricket too. Can some of the experts here call out about his accuracy and how good is he bowling now - from accuracy and line /length standpoint.

Rajyawardhan Hingarkar- he has a BOOM type of different action and bowls 136 to 146k , bcos he has a difficult action. I am sure he will be successful.

Harshit Rana- he has pace and he is considered accurate too. he has batting skills too...hardik's replacement if he improves a little.

Kuldeep Sen-  where is he now? whats his performance?

Navdeep Seni-- i found him good ...what do u guys say.

Tushar Deshpande- he is a Mumbai pacer who is 135 to 145k and accuracy is something that every Mumbai coach talks about a lot so any Mumbai bowler has to be accurate for sure( else he will never play for Mumbai).

Avinash Singh - RCB hired him in IPL ...some said he was bowling 150K...any update?

Wasim Bashir- heard he is left arm umraan..any news

Mayank Yadav- gautam gambhir was very high about navdip earlier and he is promoting mayank big time...gautam's selection is on Speed and accuracy both- kind of trust his selection.

Umraan khan...any news about him...