Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[ind_hyd1]

I remember listening to the great Wasim Akram about his partner in crime waqar younis, he talked about the commitment waqar had.He would literally sprint from almost near the boundary line irrespective of if it was the first ball of his spell or last ball.And he did it for 15 years.Thats the passion and commitment that our young bowlers should develop.

 

 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, ind_hyd1 said:

I remember listening to the great Wasim Akram about his partner in crime waqar younis, he talked about the commitment waqar had.He would literally sprint from almost near the boundary line irrespective of if it was the first ball of his spell or last ball.And he did it for 15 years.Thats the passion and commitment that our young bowlers should develop.

 

 

I have seen him just run gingerly and trundle. Never take former cricketers talk at face value.

[Nikhil_cric]

2 hours ago, ind_hyd1 said:

I remember listening to the great Wasim Akram about his partner in crime waqar younis, he talked about the commitment waqar had.He would literally sprint from almost near the boundary line irrespective of if it was the first ball of his spell or last ball.And he did it for 15 years.Thats the passion and commitment that our young bowlers should develop.

 

 

Utter rubbish. There are plenty of spells where Waqar would bowl medium pace in both formats. 

 

This idea that bowlers bowled consistently quick in every spell throughout their careers is typical of old timers. 

 

Plenty of times I've seen Waqar trundle at 127 kph etc. in the latter half of his career. 

 

If this is even remotely true, it's only for a couple of Australian quicks like Lee and Starc .  Nobody else. 

[tweaker]

10 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Utter rubbish. There are plenty of spells where Waqar would bowl medium pace in both formats. 

 

This idea that bowlers bowled consistently quick in every spell throughout their careers is typical of old timers. 

 

Plenty of times I've seen Waqar trundle at 127 kph etc. in the latter half of his career. 

 

If this is even remotely true, it's only for a couple of Australian quicks like Lee and Starc .  Nobody else. 

Waqar career are totally different in two halves.

From 1989 to 1996,he was a completely different bowler.

 

Due to various injuries ,his pace dropped and after 1998, he was mostly dropped due to emergence of Shoaib and other young fast bowlers 

[Suhaan]

7 minutes ago, tweaker said:

Waqar career are totally different in two halves.

From 1989 to 1996,he was a completely different bowler.

 

Due to various injuries ,his pace dropped and after 1998, he was mostly dropped due to emergence of Shoaib and other young fast bowlers 

I used to call him Bekaar Younis

[Rightarmfast]

1 hour ago, tweaker said:

Waqar career are totally different in two halves.

From 1989 to 1996,he was a completely different bowler.

 

Due to various injuries ,his pace dropped and after 1998, he was mostly dropped due to emergence of Shoaib and other young fast bowlers 

1989- 1992 end... He became a medium pace bowler from 93/94 onwards. He was express only for the first 3-4 yrs,

[ind_hyd1]

True bro.. but atleast when he was young and at the start of his career upto 97 he was genuinely quick.Our pacers in 1-2 become 135k bowlers Siraj and Akashdeep are prime examples

[Rightarmfast]

24 minutes ago, ind_hyd1 said:

True bro.. but atleast when he was young and at the start of his career upto 97 he was genuinely quick.Our pacers in 1-2 become 135k bowlers Siraj and Akashdeep are prime examples

Not really

[express bowling]

Harshit Rana

 

5 wicket haul + 59 runs in Ranji Trophy.

 

No point keeping him on the bench any more. 

Edited October 28, 2024 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Indian Tall, hit the deck, bouncy, 140k+ pacers ....

 

Harshit .. 22 yrs

Mayank .. 22 yrs .. express

Gurnoor .. 24 yrs .. 6'6" or 6'5".

Sen .. 28 yrs

Prasidh .. 28 yrs 

Tyagi .. 23 yrs .. potentially express 

Yudhvir .. 27 yrs

Hangargekar .. 21 yrs

Mohsin .. 26 yrs. ( lost pace )

 

 

Indian skiddy 140 k+ pacers ....

 

Shami .. 34 yrs

Umran .. 24 yrs .. express

Akashdeep .. 27 yrs ( not bowling 140 k nowadays )

Nagarkoti .. 24 yrs  ( perpetually injured )

 

 

 

●  Harshit and Mayank are deservingly selected for Team India 

●  Prasidh selected but has a lot to prove.

●  Hope Sen gets fit soon and  plays for India. 

●  Super tall Gurnoor Brar has started to perform in Ranji Trophy. Hope he continues doing this. We need a bouncy 6'6" pacer like him. 

●  Waiting for Tyagi to play domestic cricket regularly.

● Yudhvir is performing in Ranji too. 

●  Hangargekar is falling behind. 

 

 

●  Akashdeep needs to get his pace back.

●  Umran needs to get fit for the remainder of this Ranji season. Want to see him reverse the ball at full pace. 

 

 

Edited October 29, 2024 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Money Grewal playing Ranji for Delhi.

[vishalvirsingh]

read some where that shammi is gearing up to fly to australia from the third test and before that he will prove his fitness in ranji trophy.

[vishalvirsingh]

news about Mayank's fitness issue is very DISAPPOINTING. seems he is again out for 90 days- abdominal muscle issue or stress fracture...not sure but he is out for 60 to 90 days.

[vishalvirsingh]

when umesh , zaheer were touching 138 to 140k in INDIA , they were easily bowling 142 to 150 k in Australia, so i feel it is 5k speed reading difference.

akash deep is easily bowling 135 to 140k and i expect him to easily bowl 140 to 146k in australia and with his immaculate line n length , he is destined for success. Siraj is also good but i hope he gets his ppace and form back. he is a very hot and cold Pacer.

Same is about Prasidh ..he can be a trundler or a fast bowler and his bounce has very little value under 133k .

[Need4Speed]

16 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

news about Mayank's fitness issue is very DISAPPOINTING. seems he is again out for 90 days- abdominal muscle issue or stress fracture...not sure but he is out for 60 to 90 days.

Its frustating but If he is back to full pace Next Year..we are ok..

However if same thing happens after his return..next who should go out is NCA medicos and staff..

Edited October 28, 2024 by Need4Speed

[vishalvirsingh]

5 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

Its frustating but If he is back to full pace Next Year..we are ok..

However if same thing happens after his return..next who should go out is NCA medicos and staff..

there are some guys who are extremmely talented , i mean fast bowlers but they are not strong and robust and hence they get unfit easily.

I am kinda worried and Hope that MAYANK is not one like these. even Prasidh also seems to be into that category( very fast and swift but he has fitness issue's) .

even in australia , if Prasidh does not maintain himself , he can get unfit.

SEE Harshit Rana , he is trongly built and though he is atleast 7 to 8 k slower than Mayank on Pace and I guess much less talented than Mayank but his fitness is good.

See Umesh Yadav, he had very few fitness issues and he could bowl 140 to 150 K at his wish in australia and even in his last match that i saw , one of his ball was around 145k with a reduced run up- he had good fitness.

Long story SHORT Indian Selectors cant BANK on Prasidh and Mayank as I feel these guys are brittle and may have fitness issues's-selectors need to find a UMESH YADAV kinda bowler who is fast and strong or ishant kinda who is fast bouncy and strong.

ashish nehra was a bit like mayank - he could generate pace easily but had a body susceptible to injuries. ashish was always faster than ZAk but ZAk was stronger.

BOOM is strong but his bowling action is a little tough and can cause stretch. even mayank's bowling action is SO good to generate Pace but he can get hurt - he bowls at the pace of SHOIAB Akhtar and has a physique slightly better than kuldeep yadav. mayank's bowling action is far better /swifter than Umesh yadav.

Edited October 28, 2024 by vishalvirsingh

[tapandrun]

On 10/27/2024 at 1:51 AM, rkt.india said:

He was injured during the last ranji game he played. He is at NCA rehab.

The are fewer chances of him playing bgt, he just returned for injury and got injured without playing much.

High likelihood of being replaced at the last moment with Mukesh kumar. Do not have high hope on NCA and event they declare him fit would not trust it  

[vishalvirsingh]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

Indian Tall, hit the deck, bouncy, 140k+ pacers ....

 

Harshit .. 22 yrs

Mayank .. 22 yrs .. express

Gurnoor .. 24 yrs .. 6'6" or 6'5".

Sen .. 28 yrs

Prasidh .. 28 yrs 

Yudhvir .. 27 yrs

Hangargekar .. 21 yrs

Mohsin .. 26 yrs. ( lost pace )

 

 

Indian skiddy 140 k+ pacers ....

 

Shami .. 34 yrs

Umran .. 24 yrs .. express

Akashdeep .. 27 yrs ( not bowling 140 k nowadays )

Nagarkoti .. 24 yrs  ( perpetually injured )

 

 

 

●  Harshit and Mayank are deservingly selected for Team India 

● Prasidh selected but has a lot to prove.

●  Hope Sen gets fit soon and  plays for India. 

●  Super tall Gurnoor Brar has started to perform in Ranji Trophy. Hope he continues doing this. We need a bouncy 6'6" pacer like him. 

● Yudhvir is performing in Ranji too. 

●  Hangargekar is falling behind. 

 

 

●  Akashdeep needs to get his pace back.

●  Umran needs to get fit for the remainder of this Ranji season. Want to see him reverse the ball at full pace. 

 

 

gurnoor brar ke 4 video dekhe-

 

vrv singh jaisa action hai..he 6ft 7inch hai ya usse bhi jyada hai.  Pace jyada nahi lagi, ho sakta hai 138k tak bowl karta ho....

height itni hai ki 140 to 47k range mein aa gaya , line n length achi lagti hai , control bhi thik hai. thodi pace 130 to 138k lagti hai. 

ISHANT even during his last match was a better bowler than him.

but he definitely can improve and has the height and talent to play for INDIA.

 

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

gurnoor brar ke 4 video dekhe-

 

vrv singh jaisa action hai..he 6ft 7inch hai ya usse bhi jyada hai.  Pace jyada nahi lagi, ho sakta hai 138k tak bowl karta ho....

height itni hai ki 140 to 47k range mein aa gaya , line n length achi lagti hai , control bhi thik hai. thodi pace 130 to 138k lagti hai. 

ISHANT even during his last match was a better bowler than him.

but he definitely can improve and has the height and talent to play for INDIA.

 

 

Gurnoor was clocked at 135 k to 142 k / 143 k in the IPL.

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, vishalvirsingh said:

there are some guys who are extremmely talented , i mean fast bowlers but they are not strong and robust and hence they get unfit easily.

I am kinda worried and Hope that MAYANK is not one like these. even Prasidh also seems to be into that category( very fast and swift but he has fitness issue's) .

even in australia , if Prasidh does not maintain himself , he can get unfit.

SEE Harshit Rana , he is trongly built and though he is atleast 7 to 8 k slower than Mayank on Pace and I guess much less talented than Mayank but his fitness is good.

See Umesh Yadav, he had very few fitness issues and he could bowl 140 to 150 K at his wish in australia and even in his last match that i saw , one of his ball was around 145k with a reduced run up- he had good fitness.

Long story SHORT Indian Selectors cant BANK on Prasidh and Mayank as I feel these guys are brittle and may have fitness issues's-selectors need to find a UMESH YADAV kinda bowler who is fast and strong or ishant kinda who is fast bouncy and strong.

ashish nehra was a bit like mayank - he could generate pace easily but had a body susceptible to injuries. ashish was always faster than ZAk but ZAk was stronger.

BOOM is strong but his bowling action is a little tough and can cause stretch. even mayank's bowling action is SO good to generate Pace but he can get hurt - he bowls at the pace of SHOIAB Akhtar and has a physique slightly better than kuldeep yadav. mayank's bowling action is far better /swifter than Umesh yadav.

yes..but talent is subjective I think..

comparison between Mayank,Harshit and Umran..not thinking about Kartik as of now since  he is not even a first choice for Ranji team..Please feel free to add or correct..

 

                     Mayank                                            Harshit                                                               Umran

 

Height.         Decent can get good bounce        Tallest of All,extra bounce                               Short,lack of bounce

Pace             Express(?? now)                              Fast                                                                  Express

Accuracy      Good                                                Decent                                                              Average or lower

Movement    not as of now                                   Incoming delivery??                                        not as of now

Variations.    Slow balls,bouncers,bit of yorkers  slow balls,bouncers,occassional yorkers??  bouncers,occasional yorkers

Fitness          Recurring injuries as of now            okay as of now\average,need to lose some  recently seen some back to back 

                                                                                 weight imo                                                        issues                                                                                                                                     

Experience   not much,need more matches         played good number of domestic matches need more doemstic matches   

Batting          not much                                            looks like a lower order prospect                 may be?

 

Based on the above..Even though Express pace excites me..if we remove the express parameter..Harshit can be more reliable  and talented as of now..

The fitness and batting makes Harshit better choice..as compared to Mayank...

 

Even Think about whiteball..

if Bumrah Returns then who can be 3rd bowler after him and Arshdeep..Harshit..due to batting..else we may not have batting after 8..assuming Sundar is our spinner..or Pandya has to be 3rd pacer..???

                                    

 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2024 by Need4Speed