Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Suhaan]

57 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Has Siraj even touched 140k this test?

When Bumrah is playing,he puts all the onus on him

[MK55]

5 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Pace bowling is at all time low

Sides likeus who have no rich history of fast bowling,depended on easy contests like WI,ZIM,SL(post Murli,Vaas) to test our young pacers

Now with stupid WTC ,we end up grinding same set of first choice bowlers,in someway that helped those bowlers to get used to international games

Umesh was playing since 2011,Ishant since 2007 but they all turn it around with a leader like Arun

Sooner or later we have to test Gurnoor,Simar,Apple Tom maybe they aren't earth shattering but they will surely benefit from getting games ,need some genius like Bharat Arun to transform our pace attack or build a world class pace attack once again

We had a tremendous pace attack then,the team did well due to it

 

I think it starts by just giving them the damn chances. And the captain must show faith. 
Thats majority of the work is done right there.

Also the ceiling needs to be higher. You encourage high potential bowlers, most results follow. Mindset needs to be changed. There was a transient short term phase when that exactly was happening and we saw the results.
 

Also, the problem is that the talent in the existing bowlers is lacking - be it temperament or just raw talent. Bumrah is fine. Siraj is highly up n down. The other bowlers are either not given chances or the wrong ones to begin with.

[MK55]

7 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

When Bumrah is playing,he puts all the onus on him

Exactly. Thats a perennial problem with that guy. 

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Pace bowling is at all time low

Sides likeus who have no rich history of fast bowling,depended on easy contests like WI,ZIM,SL(post Murli,Vaas) to test our young pacers

Now with stupid WTC ,we end up grinding same set of first choice bowlers,in someway that helped those bowlers to get used to international games

Umesh was playing since 2011,Ishant since 2007 but they all turn it around with a leader like Arun

Sooner or later we have to test Gurnoor,Simar,Apple Tom maybe they aren't earth shattering but they will surely benefit from getting games ,need some genius like Bharat Arun to transform our pace attack or build a world class pace attack once again

We had a tremendous pace attack then,the team did well due to it

 

WTC is an idiocy by ICC. It will finish test cricket.

[tapandrun]

53 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

WTC is an idiocy by ICC. It will finish test cricket.

Have been posting this for sometime now. WTC has changed how test cricket/cricket in general has been played.

 

There is no space to develop a player or group of players once the older group of players retire at the same tame. Due to this WTC teams can not afford to have a  decent to good player and develop him into great or at-least team's great.

 

Hence the selection is based on T20 leagues where these newer player plays vs other good intnl players and giving the illusion that these newer will/should also work in test.

Test is bit different where players have to be on ground for 4/5 days. even if not talking about other things staying on ground for days is a big part of the game.

 

And now then add the other skill and then stretch it to 3 days. Can a batter play 200 balls in their innings can a bowler bowl ~20 overs a day, and then come they real part be effective in sense for batter can they out bat opp. and can bowler take 20 wkts for their sides.

 

Due to WTC its impossible to develop a player, there is no way a system can have 6 top of the line ready for test kind of batters and 3-4 top draw fast bowler ready for test and 2-3 top test spinners. So the selection is done base on the t20 leagues performance because the fc top performers wont make it to these leagues as they do not have t20 game. 

 

Before wtc test was already losing its popularity amongst the viewer now its just losing the players suited for the format. 

 

 

Edited November 23, 2025 by tapandrun

[rkt.india]

11 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Have been posting this for sometime now. WTC has changed how test cricket/cricket in general has been played.

 

There is no space to develop a player or group of players once the older group of players retire at the same tame. Due to this WTC teams can not afford to have a  decent to good player and develop him into great or at-least team's great.

 

Hence the selection is based on T20 leagues where these newer player plays vs other good intnl players and giving the illusion that these newer will/should also work in test.

Test is bit different where players have to be on ground for 4/5 days. even if not talking about other things staying on ground for days is a big part of the game.

 

And now then add the other skill and then stretch it to 3 days. Can a batter play 200 balls in their innings can a bowler bowl ~20 overs a day, and then come they real part be effective in sense for batter can they out bat opp. and can bowler take 20 wkts for their sides.

 

Due to WTC its impossible to develop a player, there is no way a system can have 6 top of the line ready for test kind of batters and 3-4 top draw fast bowler ready for test and 2-3 top test spinners. So the selection is done base on the t20 leagues performance because the fc top performers wont make it to these leagues as they do not have t20 game. 

 

Before wtc test was already losing its popularity amongst the viewer now its just losing the players suited for the format. 

 

 

I had said the same long time back. 

[Lord]

12 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Have been posting this for sometime now. WTC has changed how test cricket/cricket in general has been played.

 

There is no space to develop a player or group of players once the older group of players retire at the same tame. Due to this WTC teams can not afford to have a  decent to good player and develop him into great or at-least team's great.

 

Hence the selection is based on T20 leagues where these newer player plays vs other good intnl players and giving the illusion that these newer will/should also work in test.

Test is bit different where players have to be on ground for 4/5 days. even if not talking about other things staying on ground for days is a big part of the game.

 

And now then add the other skill and then stretch it to 3 days. Can a batter play 200 balls in their innings can a bowler bowl ~20 overs a day, and then come they real part be effective in sense for batter can they out bat opp. and can bowler take 20 wkts for their sides.

 

Due to WTC its impossible to develop a player, there is no way a system can have 6 top of the line ready for test kind of batters and 3-4 top draw fast bowler ready for test and 2-3 top test spinners. So the selection is done base on the t20 leagues performance because the fc top performers wont make it to these leagues as they do not have t20 game. 

 

Before wtc test was already losing its popularity amongst the viewer now its just losing the players suited for the format. 

 

 

 

I don't get it. What's wrong with selected performers in FC irrespective of how they do in IPL?

 

Different formats should have different criterias.

 

 

[MK55]

I dint watch the collapse. What were Jansens speeds? Was it just his bounce that rattled these clowns?

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, MK55 said:

I dint watch the collapse. What were Jansens speeds? Was it just his bounce that rattled these clowns?

It was slow bounce that led to mistiming of shots.

[express bowling]

8 hours ago, MK55 said:

I dint watch the collapse. What were Jansens speeds? Was it just his bounce that rattled these clowns?

 

 

Jansen 1st innings 

 

Fastest.   140 k

Average  133 k

Edited November 25, 2025 by express bowling

[Lone Wolf]

Mohd Enaan U19 leg break + genuine All rounder in the making.

 

Anmolpreet highly rated Tall off spinner who can also bat.

 

India U19 this time around is coming with a good batch looks like.

[Lone Wolf]

Umran Yudhvir Nabi have ran through a good MAH side... 130 all out.

@express bowling

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Umran Yudhvir Nabi have ran through a good MAH side... 130 all out.

@express bowling

 

Great !

[Mosher]

4 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Umran Yudhvir Nabi have ran through a good MAH side... 130 all out.

@express bowling

Saw the replay. Umran bowled well. Looked in good rhythm. Hit the pitch hard and bowled couple of good yorkers. Wish there were speed guns.

[pramodk]

I used to go against icf fans and say let's play with tried and tested players, good slow medium pacers...but i guess India may have no option but to try these exceptional but  inconsistent fast bowlers, after all i remember Umesh and Shami did win matches for us in India... wonder who the medium pacers at that time were , and the fast bowlers and the medium pacers stats when Umesh and Shami were picked by the then selectors.

[tapandrun]

Smat has started --

 

Bawa -- 2 wkts/scored 36 vs bhr

Yarra- 2 wkts vs Asm

Prince/ Simar -1 wkt each vs jhk , why is Ishant still playing

kamboj --1 wkt vs pondi

Ashok--3 wkts bit expen. with 40 runs vs TN

Nagarkoti- 1 wkt

Gurjap--1 wkt vs raj.

Sushant (he is same u19 ??)--3 wks vs del

Umran/yudvir --2 wkt each vs maha

Gurnoor --2 wkt vs hp

vaibhav arora-- 2 wkts vs pjb

 

Edited November 27, 2025 by tapandrun

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Smat has started --

 

Bawa -- 2 wkts/scored 36 vs bhr

Yarra- 2 wkts vs Asm

Prince/ Simar -1 wkt each vs jhk , why is Ishant still playing

kamboj --1 wkt vs pondi

Ashok--3 wkts bit expen. with 40 runs vs TN

Nagarkoti- 1 wkt

Gurjap--1 wkt vs raj.

Sushant (he is same u19 ??)--3 wks vs del

Umran/yudvir --2 wkt each vs maha

Gurnoor --2 wkt vs hp

vaibhav arora-- 2 wkts vs pjb

 

I think no speedometer again.

Umran looks slower...so many shots in front of the wicket. Seems he is bowling 135-140 with odd one around 143-144

[Lord]

2 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Smat has started --

 

Bawa -- 2 wkts/scored 36 vs bhr

Yarra- 2 wkts vs Asm

Prince/ Simar -1 wkt each vs jhk , why is Ishant still playing

kamboj --1 wkt vs pondi

Ashok--3 wkts bit expen. with 40 runs vs TN

Nagarkoti- 1 wkt

Gurjap--1 wkt vs raj.

Sushant (he is same u19 ??)--3 wks vs del

Umran/yudvir --2 wkt each vs maha

Gurnoor --2 wkt vs hp

vaibhav arora-- 2 wkts vs pjb

 

 

Yash Thakur 3fer

 

Where are Mayank and Tyagi

[tapandrun]

10 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

I think no speedometer again.

Umran looks slower...so many shots in front of the wicket. Seems he is bowling 135-140 with odd one around 143-144

no speedometer.

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2025 by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

38 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Yash Thakur 3fer

 

Where are Mayank and Tyagi

Mayank is not getting back to cricket for sometime. Think you can only see him mid ipl.

 

Tyagi hardly plays any prof. cricket

 

Plus Bhuvi and Istant still playing for their respective teams cutting out a spot for new players

Edited November 27, 2025 by tapandrun