Dense Dhawan

[Deleted_User_1]

Has it ever occurred to you guys that we are simply not good enough outside India? Case closed.

[Ultimate_Game]

Has it ever occurred to you guys that we are simply not good enough outside India? Case closed.

Need a qualifier... we are not as good as Aus away in shorter formats. We definitely were better than any other side out there. Winning CT in England without losing a match and reaching semis in Aus on the back of 7 conseutive wins is proof of the same.

[sage]

Yes' date='let's blame the guy who showed some actual intent and was chasing 330 not 230[/quote'] OP is idiot, agreed

[sandeep]

Goosy, Usually your posts have inarguable logic and I always find myself agreeing, except this one. From Dhawan's perspective, he had seen off the 'new ball movement' risk, and was set and ready to start batting positively. He usually changes gears like this after crossing 60-odd. Today he did it in Faulkner's 1st over. Agreed that he went a little overboard with his aggressive approach, but I don't think its a mental collapse or anything of that sort.

[jusarrived]

I dont want to blame any one , but 2 batsmen who to an extent dint bat acording to plan wer Virat and Rahane . Virat , dint need to play thats shot ..especially for some one whos regarded as the best chasing totals to play such a high risk shot was shocking . A 25-30 run partenership at that point would have tilted the match in our favour . Rahane , the last hope partenership ...his poor SR really made a huge difference , he scored 20 less runs than he could have just picking singles..could have been the difference in the end :(

[flamy]

We hadn't chased a big score like this in the entire tourney. Our batting approach was to preserve wickets. They threw that strategy out yesterday. Should have stuck to what has worked for us all this time. It was only 20 runs more than what we have been getting.

[rkt.india]

like Rohit and Kohli provided?

Kohli didnt even settle in. At least, he was settled and was batting well. You dont leave to others. That is the basics of batting. I can understand if he got out on a good ball. Would not have blamed him but getting out after settling i with a a high risk shot is not on.

[adi B]

Match was lost the moment they scored 300+,they were 270/6 after 45 ,if we bowled more yorkers rather than half trackers and full length filth,we would have got them all out inside 300. Once 300 was scored it was 90% Australia's match because of their 4-5 pace bowling attack. This loss is not too surprising considering India's pathetic h2h in aus which is 10-31

[Ultimate_Game]

Match was lost the moment they scored 300+,they were 270/6 after 45 ,if we bowled more yorkers rather than half trackers and full length filth,we would have got them all out inside 300. Once 300 was scored it was 90% Australia's match because of their 4-5 pace bowling attack. This loss is not too surprising considering India's pathetic h2h in aus which is 10-31

Mitchell Johnson's cameo of 28 from 9 deliveries is what took the game beyond India's grasp. A total around 300 could have been chased but a score around 330 is too big a total IMO on a decent sized ground.

[Sidhoni]

That shot will haunt me for a long time but you can't put entire blame on him when middle order goes missing.

[BlueBee]

I don't have it in me to watch the highlights :((

[Ultimate_Game]

That shot will haunt me for a long time but you can't put entire blame on him when middle order goes missing.

Dhawan shouldn't be blamed at all. He was ding what needed to be done to chase a total of 330 knowing fully well guys like Starc and Johnson had plenty of overs left and he had to make the most of the other bowlers' quota. If India had been batting first without a RRR of 7 hovering on his head, he would have bided his time and looked to play the way he did against SA or Pak. But chasing a huge total does this to you as one decent over and you are under the pump.

I don't have it in me to watch the highlights :((

Don't bother. There wasn't much after Dhawan got out.

[ThePhenomenal1]

why blame the guy who got india in a position to take control? dumb shot but found the fielder blame kohli, raina and rohit for not capitalising and playing gritty knocks dhawan was great in this wc, just dont play him in tests

[sensible-indian]

Dunno why people are blaming Kohli's shot. It was his execution that was a flop. He planned to keep the rising ball down. Maybe because he was standing so front in the crease, he didn't have the time to play it properly. Whatever it is, Kohli's aura has dropped a lot with those kockout performances. I hope he works on his weaknesses (wide ball on good length, back of a length on 5th stump) and comes back. Never looked comfortable in England ODIs. Wasn't convincing against WI and SL ODIs even though he was scoring runs. Didn't do well in Tri Series. Did well against Pak (was a scratchy innings though) and SA (another scratchy innings) and a few minnows but messed up when it mattered. 2 WC flops.

[Sidhoni]

Dhawan shouldn't be blamed at all. He was ding what needed to be done to chase a total of 330 knowing fully well guys like Starc and Johnson had plenty of overs left and he had to make the most of the other bowlers' quota. If India had been batting first without a RRR of 7 hovering on his head, he would have bided his time and looked to play the way he did against SA or Pak. But chasing a huge total does this to you as one decent over and you are under the pump. Don't bother. There wasn't much after Dhawan got out.

Middle order and bowlers take majority of the blame but Dhawan has to be blamed too. The fielder was out there on the deep cover boundary yet he went through with his shot despite the run rate being decent at that stage. We had momentum until then but his wicket triggered a collapse.

[rajmarie]

I blame Dhawan....simply because he didn't understand the match situation. He had gone after Faukner...& forced Aus to use more Johnson and brought back Hazelwood. He needed to see of those 2 without much risk...& then tuck in their 4th and 5th bowler. It appeared that he believed his task is done & that the others will get the job done & left.

[Ultimate_Game]

Middle order and bowlers take majority of the blame but Dhawan has to be blamed too. The fielder was out there on the deep cover boundary yet he went through with his shot despite the run rate being decent at that stage. We had momentum until then but his wicket triggered a collapse.

We had momentum because of Dhawan and the way he attacked Aussie bowlers. We can't blame him when he falls doing exactly the same thing which got us in a decent position. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I blame Dhawan....simply because he didn't understand the match situation. He had gone after Faukner...& forced Aus to use more Johnson and brought back Hazelwood. He needed to see of those 2 without much risk...& then tuck in their 4th and 5th bowler. It appeared that he believed his task is done & that the others will get the job done & left.

India was chasing 330 and needed to go after more bowlers than just Watson and Faulkner. Dhawan was playing Johnson and Starc carefully but in a chase of 330 you can't let 3 bowlers get away so he had to attack Hazlewood. He was doing the right thin as scoring quickly against Starc and Johnson later on would have been quite difficult. He had the right idea and perished doing his best for the team. If we were chasing a score of 300 instead of 330 or batting first Dhawan would surely would have bided his time.

[kruiser]

If that shot had yielded a four, everyone would have been praising that attacking shot! what an instinct, didnt go into his shell, shows aggression yada-yada.. The shot was on,the field was up. It was not India's day and he sliced the shot. he got out. Kohli failed. Middle Order succumbed. We lost to a better team.

[Ultimate_Game]

If that shot had yielded a four, everyone would have been praising that attacking shot! what an instinct, didnt go into his shell, shows aggression yada-yada.. The shot was on,the field was up. It was not India's day and he sliced the shot. he got out. Kohli failed. Middle Order succumbed. We lost to a better team.

Well said. If you loved Dhawan's batting this tourney or till the time he got out against Aus, then you have no reason to complain. The guy was trying to chase 330 and win the game for India and got out doing so. He was one of the stars for us this tourney and proved his 2013 CT performance in England was not a "flash in the pan" sort of effort. He really does show up in big tourneys.

[goose]

I know i am in a minority but haven't read anything here to change my view. You had to be watching very closely to understand what i am saying. The threat from Australia was non-existent at the time he got out. It was completely outside the batting plans set i am sure. I am all for aggressive cricket but something about Dhawan's approach that just grates. Every time he cleared the boundary it seemed to give him licence to take greater risk the next time. He wasn't being aggressive, he was being increasingly aggressive. The percentages were going down with each successful blow. It was almost Afridian. I know what i felt and saw. Dhoni alluded to it too. Maybe just maybe there's something to it.