vishalvirsingh Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 ishant sran umesh and bhuvi is a very good 4 pronged pace attack with3 attacking pacers and one defensive.
vishalvirsingh Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 some times I seriously think that dhoni does not like to keep against fast bowlers and that's one of the reasons he does not wanna have Aaron's n umesh bowling at 145k + ....
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 some times I seriously think that dhoni does not like to keep against fast bowlers and that's one of the reasons he does not wanna have Aaron's n umesh bowling at 145k + .... yea there is something strangeeven in ipl i have never seen csk goin after a gud quick bowlerLast to last yr they dindt play mitchell mcgleashan whole yr n next yr he wins MI the tittleN wen sehwag killled them in semi's he said we didnt have nyone who bowls quick to test sehwag Oh u had but u didnt play himknowing the only two ipls won by csk had a huge hand by bollinger yet never they go after gud bowler in auction like other teams. vishalvirsingh 1
adi B Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 He's right,gabba will have more in it for pacers,it'll be more pacy but it'll be worse for the spinners.Australia knew this and selected 5 pacers ,bowled only 3 overs from Maxwell .if Dhoni is sane enough he'll play either rishi or Pishant instead of one spinner.Pitch will be flat though,a true wkt and it's a d/n match,better bat first as it's difficult to Chase under lights unless it rains
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 What makes you think Umesh will be dropped ? No one is saying this except youUmesh has been dropped in Bangladesh n in sa series after 1-2 bad games.So expect that .... Mosher 1
tweaker Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Dhoni is still not considering Rishi Dhawan as seaming allrounder. He is still stuck to 3-2 combination. Ishant if fit will take place of Kumar or Yadav
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 No one can deny that he is master at leaking runs faster than a bullet train when he doesn't get his shit right...Fair enough .........But he also takes wktsN also he did perfomr well in worldcup 20158 matches,18 wkts,4.9 ecoHe can afford a bit of off games, specially the pace he is got. It will have disadvantages some dayswasnt patience showed with lee, akhtar, johnson. N if he leaks run fair enough a disadvantageBut he can bowl with new ball, old ball, yorkers can reverse as well N if leaking run is the criteria How is bhuvaneshwar kumar in team post bangladesh n sa seriesHis eco was more than Umesh in Sa series. Eco of 8.15 n Umesh had an eco 6.87 N how was mohit sharma selected over Umesh whos eco is worst than Umesh in asia Dhoni doesnt himself stick to his criteria . N again ill ask how is Bhuvi in team if umesh is guilty of giving runsbhuvi,Last 30 games has 30 wkts at an eco of 5 or 5.1( means in 10 overs he gives 50-51 runs n takes 1 wkt)Umesh , last 24 games has 42 wkts, eco of 5.4( Means in 10 overs he gives 54 runs n takes 2 wkts)Ill take 2 wkts any day of my life Pllzzz Care to explain me these stats wen umesh was droppedIn India bhuvi- 24 matches, 23 wkts, eco of 5.19. Avg per wkts 49 Umesh- 14 matches, 26 wkts, eco of 5.66, avg per wkt 26 Mohit sharma- 7 matches, 6 wkts, Eco of 6.93, avg per wkt per wkt 62 Can U or Ms dhoni , Explain me these stats why n how is only umesh is droppedGiving runs at 5.6 eco is leaking runs n leaking runs at 5.19 n 6.93 eco is not leaking runs Wat xtra runs is Umesh giving n wat extra wkts r mohit n bhuvi taking i cant c Isnt that hypocrisy of lack of knowledge of mathematics N IF n If n IF u come up with some excuse remeber u have no results to show in last year and half with his theory adi B, express bowling and Mosher 3
Mosher Posted January 14, 2016 Author Posted January 14, 2016 Fair enough .........But he also takes wktsN also he did perfomr well in worldcup 20158 matches,18 wkts,4.9 ecoHe can afford a bit of off games, specially the pace he is got. It will have disadvantages some dayswasnt patience showed with lee, akhtar, johnson. N if he leaks run fair enough a disadvantageBut he can bowl with new ball, old ball, yorkers can reverse as well N if leaking run is the criteria How is bhuvaneshwar kumar in team post bangladesh n sa seriesHis eco was more than Umesh in Sa series. Eco of 8.15 n Umesh had an eco 6.87 N how was mohit sharma selected over Umesh whos eco is worst than Umesh in asia Dhoni doesnt himself stick to his criteria . N again ill ask how is Bhuvi in team if umesh is guilty of giving runsbhuvi,Last 30 games has 30 wkts at an eco of 5 or 5.1( means in 10 overs he gives 50-51 runs n takes 1 wkt)Umesh , last 24 games has 42 wkts, eco of 5.4( Means in 10 overs he gives 54 runs n takes 2 wkts)Ill take 2 wkts any day of my life Pllzzz Care to explain me these stats wen umesh was droppedIn India bhuvi- 24 matches, 23 wkts, eco of 5.19. Avg per wkts 49 Umesh- 14 matches, 26 wkts, eco of 5.66, avg per wkt 26 Mohit sharma- 7 matches, 6 wkts, Eco of 6.93, avg per wkt per wkt 62 Can U or Ms dhoni , Explain me these stats why n how is only umesh is droppedGiving runs at 5.6 eco is leaking runs n leaking runs at 5.19 n 6.93 eco is not leaking runs Wat xtra runs is Umesh giving n wat extra wkts r mohit n bhuvi taking i cant c Isnt that hypocrisy of lack of knowledge of mathematics N IF n If n IF u come up with some excuse remeber u have no results to show in last year and half with his theory Great post. The fact is they all more or less go for the same amount runs. Atleast Umesh picks up more wickets than these trundlers. But he is dropped for leaking runs and these "accurate" medium pacers who also just happen to be Dhoni's favorites play on and on. This bias is just sickening and ruining whatever little fast bowling talent India has.
Mosher Posted January 14, 2016 Author Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) All your pace bowlers are shit END of the story.. Its like selecting who is the least worst out of them No one is saying Umesh will set the world on fire with great display of fast bowling. India is not exactly blessed with great fast bowling talent. So all the more reason to select and groom whatever little fast bowling talent we have, instead of sticking to the same old "accurate" trundlers. Edited January 14, 2016 by Mosher
sandeep Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Ishant if fit, should play. So should Yadav. Its a tossup between jadeja and Rishi Dhawan. Rishi Dhawan's not going to gain much by debuting on a flat concrete slab, and Jaddu's batting and fielding is probably an edge over the rookie at this point. Not saying I like it, but the logic is undeniable. People are eager to see some new names in action, but just giving a guy a random game in unfriendly conditions doesn't do much for that player. That is, if you can see past the Dhoni-hate for a few seconds.
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Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Great post. The fact is they all more or less go for the same amount runs. Atleast Umesh picks up more wickets than these trundlers. But he is dropped for leaking runs and these "accurate" medium pacers who also just happen to be Dhoni's favorites play on and on. This bias is just sickening and ruining whatever little fast bowling talent India has.Biasness i dnt know, Its this whole Myth our country lives in and denies to go out of itits the myth if he has more pace he will definately give more, like if kohli shows more emotions on field so whole country wud think he is arrogant n has tempermant issues. We wnt consider throwing wkts at wrong time a temp issue but showing emotions yes it is. So we think we trundlers r better, who ball withing themselves might contain the opp, becoz we r not a country of fast bowlers, Lack of self beilef. We cant do it, its not our culture. Well its just the perception we live in, In aus, sa, pak they nurtured akhtar, lee, johnson . i mean even they at times use to give a lot of lot of runs.Akhtar, mvgrath, andy roberts , steyn ,zaheer on record have gone said about how exciting is the talent of umesh n aaron. But our captain cant see it. M sure Dhoni knows a lot more about bowling than all these legendary bowlers. Coz he has won world cups n they all have achieved nothing No one is ready to see the real picture If he leaks runs he takes wkts as well Eg in 2013 CT, Umesh n Bhuvi almost gives similar runs n takes 2 wkts each , but umesh takes abdv n amla. Now no one will c those two wkts we' ll c those runs he gave. no one will wonder wat wud have happen if they both have stayed on creaseWell Wankhade they both showed . But Again the myth Bhuvi doesnt leak runs, where both leaked similar runs. The whole idea of not getting a batsman out n choking them for runs is stupid. Does anyone think U can contain smith, faf, abdv, warner, once they r set. Well again ur proved wrong . Jst c last two matches. Xamples of Zaheer khan is given. Zaheer debut in 2000 n came into his own in 2007 Eng series, 7 yrsIshant sharma debut in 2007, Found some consistency in 2015, Almost 8 yrsUmesh n aaron has played only 4 yrs n have struggled with injuries coz they have extra pace , its not easy, Look at the fitness of Cummins n pattinson . Im jealous of bangldesh the way they r investing in rubel n Taskin.Wat special do they both have tht umesh n aaron cant do I have been a huge fan of MS dhoni, But for the Sake of indian cricket n To develop fast bowling culture, MS dhoni has to go now Look wat wonders has mortaza capatincy done to Bangladeh bowling. Attacking fields , aggresive approachHE is making these bowlers feel, they r his match winners N wat does our captain make our bowlers feels , Ur nt gud enough just contain runs . U need a captain who puts in faith in these bowlers, N they ll fail at times but arent bhuvi n mohit failing to.But umesh n aaron r worthy every investment. N specially if we can invest in Rohit n raina for almost 8-9 yrsWe can in these two IF it works, it can really develop a culture of fst bowling in india . We just need inspiration like imran khan, lilee, mcgrath, wasim .
Mosher Posted January 14, 2016 Author Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) I call that Line BS.. Will never agree with that..You need to Google Shohib Aktars Interview on why we don't generate Bowling Talent.. I totally agree with him. To sum up in one line he said "You need to go find the Talent in the country and not by having a stupid Tent in the ground and selecting 1 or 2 fools".. This is how Wasim , Waqar , Myself came.. SELECTORS NEED TO GO FIND THE TALENT AND DEVELOP THEM..Our Lazy butts just couldn't do the job obviouslyand our Ranji pitches needs to be better.. Even Dravid was complaining about itAll we will ever get is Good spinners but no good PACE BOWLERS..Problem is we have pace bowlers but they take a long time to graduate to the next level after making their debut because we do not have a fast bowling culture in India. But we need ready made fast bowlers according to our captain which is not going to happen . Unless we have a captain and team management who encourages fast bowlers we will always have this situation. Edited January 14, 2016 by Mosher express bowling 1
asterix Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Will be pretty difficult for Dhobi to keep wickets against 4 pacers... He's not used to it... vishalvirsingh 1
asterix Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Will be pretty difficult for Dhobi to keep wickets against 4 pacers... He's not used to it... vijay50 and sscomp32 1 1
Shivaji bhonsle Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Will be pretty difficult for Dhobi to keep wickets against 4 pacers... He's not used to it...He will if the 4th pacer is Rishi Dhawan and not Ishanth Sharma.
vishalvirsingh Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Will be pretty difficult for Dhobi to keep wickets against 4 pacers... He's not used to it...actually no wicket keeper shud be the captain as wk is a seriously full time job.Even sangakara cud not keep n captain together. ..n he always was hit badly by umesh n Aaron while keeping.I always found him at discomfort.Keeping to bhuvi n mohit was good Rasgulla 1
vijay50 Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Oh oh, Knuckles are going to pain for Dhoni due to thunderbolts from 4 pacers.
Adi_91 Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) I hope to see some 'fast' bowlers in today's game. Edited January 14, 2016 by Adi_91
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