Was Taskin treated unfairly by ICC or not ? [POLL]

[express bowling]

If he has never been warned before,he should have been warned,tested and banned from bowling the bouncer .......just like some bowlers have been banned   from bowling the doosra.

Could this ban be because a World Cup is going on and even a couple of chucked deliveries could be critical   to the outcome of the tournament  ?

[bulbul]

Yes, I think Taskin got a raw deal from ICC. He should have been warned and allowed to bowl in the tournament.

You back.. 

haar haar Mahadev... 

[Shivaji bhonsle]

These Pakistani, Srilankan, Bangladeshi bowlers used to get away with such rubbish bowling actions in the past.

Kudos to ICC for weeding out such cheaters. Let the whiners whine. It makes no difference.

We just can't allow these chuckers to have an unfair advantage. Be it Harbhajan or Taskin. They have to be banned if their bowling actions are illegal. This is cricket, not baseball.

[TheWall]

Its upto the coach and the respective boards to nip this chucking problem in the beginning instead of shedding crocodile tears..

bcoz a cheat is always a cheat... whether you chuck or bite...

[broken_wings]

A sensible post.  Hopefully,  some of the other Bangladeshi posters will post like this instead of the blind hate  and blaming India for everything. 

About your question....I do not have the required information in totality to form a neutral opinion. 

What are the ICC rules for such testing, whether such rules were adhered to or not  ?  ....are very specific technical things that require specific knowledge on this issue which I don't have at the moment.

If he has been found to chuck even a few deliveries then, prima facie, there is some problem.  The thing to remember here is...if Taskin chucks with even 2 or 3  deliveries in a critical match of the ongoing  World Cup and one or two of them produce wickets, then it will be grossly unfair to the opponent team. On the other hand, if his action is ok, then this issue will be unfair to Bangladesh.

As you have written, Bangladesh has lodged an official complain. This is the correct way to approach the problem. I hope there is a quick and fair resolution of this issue.

 

 

Thanks. You raised a valid question about ICC testing process of alleged delivery. However, it seems they follow different techniques for different bowlers and ICC never disclose such reports in Public. It is only available to respective board, I guess. The process that ICC followed in Taskin's case was also given to BCB. And BCB forwarded the report to one of their Lawyers, Mustafizur Rahman for further explanation. His explanation was shared on Facebook and official BCB fb page also shared his posts. This lawyer and his post was shared in almost every dailies here and in other online sites too. He was even contacted by few online journalist. Moreover, if his claims were not true, then BCB might have interfered and dismissed his claims. Since he is a respected lawyer in BD and also an official lawyer of BCB, we can take his word as a reliable source. Mashrafe also mentioned it in one of his interviews after the incident.

The online versions of the Bangladesh newspapers have fired shots at ICC. ‘Taskin, a victim of ‘miscarriage of justice’, reads Prothom Alo. The Daily Star phrased its story ‘Did Taskin get justice from ICC? In a lengthy Facebook post, Mustafizur Rahman Khan, a Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) lawyer, termed the ICC’s decision a “farce”.

Citing from Taskin’s Independent Assessment Report that was forwarded to him by Bangladesh Cricket Board, the lawyer wrote, “The Assessment did not find anything illegal with Taskin’s stock and yorker deliveries. With respect to the 9 bouncers he was asked to bowl, they found that 3 were bowled using an illegal bowling action.”

Mortaza took the case forward at the press meet. His version can be summarised thus: The tests show Taskin’s bouncers was a problem but he didn’t bowl a single bouncer in that game against Netherlands.

“Taskin was reported after a match. The tests were done accordingly,” Mortaza said. “We have gone through the footage — not a single delivery in that match was illegal. How can he be suspended then? There were some issues during the testing. Not with his full-length deliveries but with his bouncers. But we have seen that he didn’t bowl any bouncers in that game. Do you still suspend him or not?”

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/icc-world-t20-bangladesh-wants-taskin-ahmeds-suspension-to-be-revoked/

 

[CG]

 

Thanks. You raised a valid question about ICC testing process of alleged delivery. However, it seems they follow different techniques for different bowlers and ICC never disclose such reports in Public. It is only available to respective board, I guess. The process that ICC followed in Taskin's case was also given to BCB. And BCB forwarded the report to one of their Lawyers, Mustafizur Rahman for further explanation. His explanation was shared on Facebook and official BCB fb page also shared his posts. This lawyer and his post was shared in almost every dailies here and in other online sites too. He was even contacted by few online journalist. Moreover, if his claims were not true, then BCB might have interfered and dismissed his claims. Since he is a respected lawyer in BD and also an official lawyer of BCB, we can take his word as a reliable source. Mashrafe also mentioned it in one of his interviews after the incident.

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/icc-world-t20-bangladesh-wants-taskin-ahmeds-suspension-to-be-revoked/

 

Its clear Bcb has no case otherwise they would have immediately taken ICC to court .World T20 today will be over for bangladesh anyway .Taskin can rectify his action and comeback he is just a youngster.All this drama is just waste of time.

[vvvslaxman]

His action is okay to me. But sure they have found something . He may not be a consistent chucker. That is why it is a bit of a surprise. I don't think there is any hidden agenda as some BD fans would want to believe. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Why do bangladeshi n Pakistani cry so much when their bowlers get banned. 

I have few ques to them, their bowlers get banned but are they also responsible for their poor batting n bowling?

Taskin n sunny were there in asia cup did u win it? 

Saeed ajmal was there in previous encoutners against us in wc,champiosn trophies did u win?

Yasir shah was there in 2015wc, we posted 300 n won. Did u win?

 

Stop crying over useless things, to hide ur problems. Reality is a gud team is not about one bowler but gud batting n fielding as well

[MCcricket]

http://www.cricketcountry.com/articles/taskin-ahmed-why-his-bowling-action-is-illegal-and-icc-is-right-in-banning-him-420517His action is okay to me. But sure they have found something . He may not be a consistent chucker. That is why it is a bit of a surprise. I don't think there is any hidden agenda as some BD fans would want to believe. 

Taskin Ahmed: Innocent victim or deservingly punished? © Getty Images

A pall of gloom spread over the usually volatile Bangladeshi cricket fans after Taskin Ahmed and Arafat Sunny were reported for illegal bowling actions by International Cricket Council (ICC) midway through ICC World T20 2016. Taskin and Sunny were not the first, and will certainly not be the last to be called for chucking. Social media went abuzz, as did former and current cricketers, with protests against the decision. Then, hell broke loose when the Taskin and Sunny were suspended from bowling with immediate effect. The opinion was simple: Taskin does not throw, and the ban on him has been unfair. Indeed, the photographs that circulated on social media reveals that Taskin bowls with a straight arm. FULL CRICKET SCORECARD: Australia vs Bangladesh, ICC World T20 2016, Super 10 Group 2, Match 22 at Bangalore

First things first: is this us, or does everyone else feel that the world is being a bit too harsh on Sunny by not standing by him? Is it because he, unlike Taskin, is not a champion bowler? Or is it because everyone acknowledges that Sunny chucks? Live Cricket Blog: Australia vs Bangladesh, T20 World Cup 2016, Match 22 at Bengaluru

Anyway, we are digressing. Let us first check the images that have been doing rounds on the internet. Let us check this tweet, featuring images of every ball bowled by Taskin during the Netherlands match.

Photo courtesy: @Istiaq258 on Twitter

The action looks fine, does it not? Indeed, the arm is straight at the elbow on every single occasion. Indeed, there is nothing in these images that tell us that Taskin throws. So, should we accept that Taskin’s action is legal?

NO, because images on the collage prove nothing.

Let us start with the actual law now — Law 24.3 (Definition of fair delivery — the arm).

“A ball is fairly delivered in respect of the arm if, once the bowler’s arm has reached the level of the shoulder in the delivery swing, the elbow joint is not straightened partially or completely from that point until the ball has left the hand. This definition shall not debar a bowler from flexing or rotating the wrist in the delivery swing.”

All pictures in the painstakingly accumulated collage pertain to his arm just before he delivers the ball; in other words, reasonably after it crosses the shoulder. What we need to do is check whether the elbow joint does not straighten after it reaches the shoulder level.

In other words, if Taskin’s arm was found reasonably bent at the time it reached shoulder-level and straightened afterwards, his action is illegal.

Note: A lot of people misunderstand this part of the law. An action is NOT illegal if the arm is bent at the point of delivery. It is, however, illegal if it was bent when the arm reached shoulder-level AND straightened afterwards. Despite the ridicule he has received from fans and critics alike, Muttiah Muralitharan, thus, had a clean action.

So, what does his arm look like when it reaches shoulder level?  Acquiring videos of his recent action was difficult, but BD Sports News 24 did a wonderful job by uploading a video from the Netherlands match (the same match the above collage is from).

We played the above video in super slow-motion to find the exact point when Taskin’s arm reaches shoulder level. Given the angle of the camera, we think the picture on the left-hand was clicked when the arm was at shoulder level, but some would argue that it was the latter.

It is evident that Taskin’s arm bends significantly when his arm reaches his shoulder. Picture courtesy: BD Sports News 24 on YouTube

We think we have proved conclusively that Taskin’s arm bends at shoulder level. But the point of release is important as well.

 

 

It is evident that Taskin’s arm straightens at the point of delivery. Picture courtesy: BD Sports News 24 on YouTube

So there you have it. At first glance, it may not seem like Taskin has a questionable bowling action, but slowed-down replays certain raise a few questions. Hopefully Taskin can remedy his action and return to doing what he does best, but for now the ICC is right in their analysis of his action. We think Taskin bends his elbow when the arm reaches shoulder-level and straightens at the point of delivery. What do you think?

(Abhishek Mukherjee is the Chief Editor at CricketCountry and CricLife. He blogs here and can be followed on Twitter here.)

[vvvslaxman]

^ That is why i said "They may have found something".

[Mosher]

Another chucker.. Some one in forum already mentioned it during the match..

Al-Amin's 4th ball of his 1st over. That was some chucking. 

[Adi_91]

Al-Amin's 4th ball of his 1st over. That was some chucking. 

Now, if he is banned or even pulled up, more verbal attacks will be thrown towards us and BCCI.

Anyway, now that they are almost gone from this tournament, this excuse is ready to be served.

[Adi_91]

Almost done ? where were they ever in Tournament in first place ?  They are good for improving NRR for other teams

I really hope they help us bud. Need it badly. 

[thebigthing]

That is a horrible article. Taskin got banned because 3 off the 9 bouncers he bowled in the test were illegal. He had to bowl those 9 bouncers in 3 min. All the other deliveries were legal. He got banned because of some bouncers, but didn't even bowl one bouncer against netherland.

[broken_wings]

Terrible writing to prove Taskin bowled illegal deliveries in Netherland match whereas it was proved in ICC testing that all the deliveries that Taskin bowled during that match were legal. It was the bouncer deliveries that Taskin has problem with BUT he did not bowl any bouncers in that match. So, all in all, very poor attempt by the writer. He should have known the facts before he accuse someone.

Edited March 22, 2016 by broken_wings

[CG]

Terrible writing to prove Taskin bowled illegal deliveries in Netherland match whereas it was proved in ICC testing that all the deliveries that Taskin bowled during that match were legal. It was the bouncer deliveries that Taskin has problem with BUT he did not bowl any bouncers in that match. So, all in all, very poor attempt by the writer. He should have known the facts before he accuse someone.

Its all hearsay and rants.Offcial word is he is banned for chucking.He has to correct and apply for retesting.No matter how people try to spin it

its the fact.

[Debutant]

Those pics clearly shows what a cheater this Tuskin was. With so much cheating all BangBros could achieve was nada 

[sandeep]

Terrible writing to prove Taskin bowled illegal deliveries in Netherland match whereas it was proved in ICC testing that all the deliveries that Taskin bowled during that match were legal. It was the bouncer deliveries that Taskin has problem with BUT he did not bowl any bouncers in that match. So, all in all, very poor attempt by the writer. He should have known the facts before he accuse someone.

Maybe he chucked the non-bouncers in the dutch game and was able to adjust everything except bouncers in the test?  Bottomline is, his action was suspect enough to be noticed by the umpires and found illegal when tested.  I know that hard truth is hard to stomach for the "passionate" (overly emotional)  bangla fans, but a bit of reality check is long overdue.  Nobody cares enough about the Bangladesh cricket team to "conspire" against them.  They just aren't that good.  

Maybe he should have been caught earlier, but for obvious reasons, scrutiny will be higher in a world cup.  

Now stop littering the forum with your whining.  This rona-dhona might play well with the home crowd, but for neutrals its way past pathetic.  

[Stuge]

“Everyone knows about it (the propaganda against Bangladesh). Let them do all these things to Bangladesh if it makes them happy. We will have to keep on playing under these difficult situations," the BCB chief said.

http://m.hindustantimes.com/world-t20/wt20-taskin-suspension-sheer-injustice-propaganda-against-bangladesh-says-bcb-chief-najmul-hasan/story-O7otiIMZBhyJnrDYnjs3bN.html

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[Ultimate_Game]

“Everyone knows about it (the propaganda against Bangladesh). Let them do all these things to Bangladesh if it makes them happy. We will have to keep on playing under these difficult situations," the BCB chief said.

 

http://m.hindustantimes.com/world-t20/wt20-taskin-suspension-sheer-injustice-propaganda-against-bangladesh-says-bcb-chief-najmul-hasan/story-O7otiIMZBhyJnrDYnjs3bN.html

 

 

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If the BCB chief is so delusional and suffers from victim mentality to such an extent, no wonder the B'deshi fans come across the way they do. What amateurish and stupid comments from the BCB chief and if that's the kind of a guy who is the supposed "leader" I shudder to think what the regular folks are out there.