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Crookbond Newbie

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14 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Well i did say the numbers are rough. But there is some degree of knowledge to it. 

Like, for e.g., during Akbar's reign, we can figure out how rich Indians were and roughly how many Indians there were,since :

a) we know what Akbar's total yearly tax revenue was

b) we know what tax rates he applied to the various professions

 

20% was a low end estimate during Mughal times, some estimates put it at 25% of world's GDP.


Mind you, Akbar's numbers = India + Pakistan+ eastern Afghanistan + Bangladesh - 7 sisters-peninsular India-Chotanagpur. 

 

Just as a side note, the total treasury of England during Queen Elizabeth was at 4.5 million pounds, while Akbar (who's reign and Queen Elizabeth I line up almost identically) collected taxes every year amounting to 5 million pounds. Or that during Akbar's reign, total mughal treasury was 17.5 million pounds (1600 AD), while in 1820, British Empire's total treasury was at 16 million pounds.

 

20% GDP or otherwise, GDP does not measure wealth. Also, GDP per capita indicates that the average person was as rich (not more) than other people. Even GDP per capita does not give the true picture because it averages out a distribution. The true indicator would be distribution of income.

 

Regardless, the bottom line is - we only know about incomes (GDP), not wealth. In terms of income, it seems to be that the average person was well off. Angus Maddison's research makes no mention of income distribution.

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Found following from someone who says he has served in Kashmir:

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FACTS ABOUT KASHMIR;

State of J&K

Kashmir : 15%

Jammu 26%

Ladakh 59%

85,000 sq Km comprising 85% area are not Muslim Majority.

 

Population of J&K; 1.25 Crores

Kashmir 69 Lakhs ( Only 55 Lakhs speak Kashmiri. Rest 14 lakhs speak Non kashmiri languages.)

Jammu 53 Lakhs ( Dogri, Punjabi, Hindi )

Ladakh 03 Lakhs ( Ladakhi language )

This does not include 7.5 lakh people settled who do not have citizenship. They are mostly from POK.

 

There are 22 districts in J&K. Out of which only 5 Districts where separatists have the say. These are Srinagar, Anantnag, Baramullah less Uri, Badgam, Pulwama and Doda(I've served in all these districts)

 

Other 17 districts are pro India . So separatist's writ runs in just 15% of the population. which are Sunni Muslim dominated. Interestingly of these four districts are far away from Pakistan Border/LOC

 

There are more than 15 major Religious/ ethinic groups comprising 85% of the population of J&K. who are Pro india. These include Shias, Dogras, ( Rajputs, Brahmins and Mahajans) Kashmiri Pandits, Sikhs, Buddhists( Ladakhis ), Gujjars, Bakarwals, Paharis, Baltis, Christians and many more.

 

Majority of the people in J&K do not speak Kashmiri as their mother tongue. is Dogri, Gujjari, Punjabi, Ladhaki , Pahari etc. Only 33 % people in Kashmir speak Kashmiri and this group controls narrative from Hurriyat to militants and from NC and pdp. It controls business, bureaucracy and agriculture. This 33% is opposed to India although population of muslims in j and K is 69 %

 

Shias (12%), Gujjars Muslims (14%), Pahadi Muslims ( 8%), Buddhists , Pandits,, Sufis, Christians and Jammu Hindus/ Dogras ( app 45%) are totally opposed to separatism and Pakistan..

 

Stone pelting , Hoisting of Pakistani flags and Anti india demonstrations are held in just 5 Districts in Kashmir valley. Other 17 districts never participate in such activities.

 

Poonch and Kargil have above 90% Muslim population.There has never been an Anti India or Separatist protest in these districts.

 

It is only the Antinational Media and other Anti India forces who with their nefarious designs have created an impression that whole of J&K is against India. Whereas the truth is that just 15% of Population comprising Sunni Muslims inhibiting 5 Districts of Kashmir province are fanning the separatist activities. "

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These Pakistani paid guys have been targeting schools since past few months. Situation is so bad that Kashmiri people who can afford are sending their kids outside Kashmir for education. A article published today.

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  • Terror groups in Kashmir are destroying schools and ensuring their continued shutdown
  • According to official figures, 17 govt schools and 3 private schools have been wrecked in the last 3 months
  • Around two million students have been prevented from going to schools across the Kashmir Valley

Its states responsibility to ensure that kids have a better future. Its about time, Indian Security Forces are said to freely start using real Bullets against these Pakistani guns.

 

Also there has been reports on daily basis that innocent Kashmiri died in cross border firing by BSF on PoK side. I wonder Why most of them so called "innocents"always in the age range of 20-30 years.

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Indian troops (J&K police who hasnt even got decent gun or gun training) using Chemical weapons (probably burnt the his hiding hole) to kill 3 more youths (Let Abu Dujan, his partner and accomplice stone pelter who  were attacking police). :laugh1:Delusional Pakistanis

 

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Srinagar, August 01 (KMS): In occupied Kashmir, Indian troops, in their fresh act of state terrorism, martyred three more Kashmiri youth in Pulwama district, today.

Charred bodies of two martyred youth were recovered from the debris of two residential houses destroyed by the troops while using chemical substance during a crackdown operation in Hakripora area of the district. The operation continued till reports last came in.

One more youth was killed and dozens were injured after Indian forces’ personnel fired bullets, pellets and teargas shells on protesters in Kakapora, Newa and Hakripora areas in the district. The martyred youth has been identified as Firdous Ahmad Khan. According to doctors, he was hit by bullet in his chest. At least 15 injured persons were referred to hospitals in Pulwama and Srinagar.

Protests over the killing rocked University of Kashmir as hundreds of students raised pro-Pakistan and pro-freedom slogans and gathered in the university campus for funeral prayers in abstensia for the martyred youth. Police used force to foil a sit in protest of students in Awantipora.

The killing led to clashes between students and Indian troops in Srinagar and Kupwara and Kulgam districts. Intense clashes erupted in Lalchwok area of Srinagar as soon as the news about the killings reached Srinagar. Students of SP Higher Secondary School and Kothi Bagh Higher Secondary School appeared in the city centre and pelted stones on Indian troops.

Clashes also took place in Handwara area of Kupwara district. All shops were closed in the town in protest against the killing.

On the other hand, hundreds of students of Government Degree College, Kulgam, boycotted their classes and held protests against the killing of the youth. They raised high-pitched anti-India and pro-freedom slogans.

Meanwhile, the puppet authorities have suspended Internet services in the Kashmir Valley.

 

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Indian troops (J&K police who hasnt even got decent gun or gun training) using Chemical weapons (probably burnt the his hiding hole) to kill 3 more youths (Let Abu Dujan, his partner and accomplice stone pelter who  were attacking police). :laugh1:Delusional Pakistanis

 

 

Pakistanis have their own version for everything. Apparently, they ruled India for 1000 years, smashed us in 3 wars, fixed all the world cup losses against India and are a beacon of hope for the world's oppressed. 

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He was killed on a booty-call!  :alienbooty:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/top-lashkar-militant-abu-dujana-killed-while-on-secret-visit-to-wife/articleshow/59871289.cms

 

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Top Lashkar militant Abu Dujana killed while on secret visit to wife

Dujana's routine of meeting his wife, and sometimes other women, was known to security forces. In fact, senior police officer Munir Khan told the media that he had become an "eyesore" for many locals because he would force himself on women and was a repeat offender. "His elimination is seen as relief for many, especially women," Khan said.

 

 

Bade rangeele jihadi! Ab to jannat mein sahabzaade mast rahenge! Practice kar rahatha dharthi ke jannat (kashmir) mein

 

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Another Pakistani terrorist bastard bites the dust.

no wonder stone pelters and their justifiers getting agitated. The entire pakistani terrorist leadership dededicated to killing people in Kashmir is being eliminated one by one over the last year or two.

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Jammu and Kashmir Police has approached Pakistan High Commission to accept LeT terrorist's body, but don't think Pakistan will accept it. They abandoned their soldier's bodies during Kargil war, so accepting a terrorist looks unlikely.

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:yess: Since outsiders/corporates cant buy property in Kashmir to establish businesses, Some time back (couple of months max) I commented on some topic that BJP should attempt to repeal article 370 as this is biggest hindrance to development of Kashmir. And if BJP looses it in Rajya Sabha, It will expose everyone to the nation.

 

 

Some usual smartass posters sarcastically suggested me to post it as suggestion to PMO and tweet it. I did that, While some pro Modi supporters were worried about Congress/Kashmiri separatist managed threads will burn the Kashmir.

 

Infact one of the posters made fun of me that if I got any response from PMO on my suggestion. @Haarkarjeetgaye :phehe: 

 

I was ignorant. Its article 35A and article 370. 35A is the one which bars non Kashmiris to own land in Kashmir.

Now scr$w you all.

 

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/special-status-to-jammu-and-kashmir-sc-seeks-centres-reply/articleshow/59968026.cms

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Special status to Jammu and Kashmir: SC seeks Centre's reply

but main story 35A and the pain every political party including Congress is going through

 

http://www.risingkashmir.com/news/art-35-a-abrogation-will-threaten-jks-existence-farooq

 

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Opposition National Conference (NC) President and former chief minister, Farooq Abdullah Monday said the existence of Jammu Kashmir would be under threat if Article 35-A was abrogated.
Addressing a news conference after chairing a joint meeting of opposition parties at his Gupkar residence in Srinagar, Abdullah said if Article 35-A was abrogated, it would have dangerous consequences for all three regions of the State – Kashmir, Ladakh and Jammu.
“Besides, it will also have its ramifications on entire country,” he said a day after returning from New Delhi.
The meeting chaired by Abdullah was also attended by NC Working President Omar Abdullah, State Congress chief Ghulam Ahmad Mir, Muhammad Yusuf Tarigami of CPI (M), Ghulam Hassan Mir of Democratic Party Nationalist (DPN), and Hakeem Muhammad Yaseen of Peoples Democratic Front (PDF) besides NC General Secretary Ali Muhammad Sagar, Muhammad Shafi (Uri) and Chaudhary Muhammad Ramzan of NC, and Peerzada Muhammad Sayeed and Usman Majeed of the Congress.
Abdullah said during the meeting, the opposition parties had all decided that they would vehemently oppose the abrogation of Article 35-A.
Article 35-A is a constitutional provision that defines special privileges enjoyed by permanent residents of Jammu and Kashmir in matters related to employment, acquisition of immovable property, settlements and scholarships.
Abdullah criticised Chief Minister Mehbooba Mufti-led government for failing to plead the case in the Supreme Court.
He said the government had failed to hire a “high class representation” to plead the case in the apex court.
The NC president said the State enjoyed its special status from the time of Dogra Maharajas who took this decision to prevent outsiders from coming and settling here and from diluting State’s culture.
Article 35-A was extended to J&K through the ‘Constitution (Application to Jammu and Kashmir) Order issued by President Rajendra Prasad on May 14, 1954.
It was devised to grant protection to state subject laws that had already been defined under the Maharaja’s rule and notified in 1927 and 1932.
Abdullah said the agenda of the rightwing parties like Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) was to erode the autonomous structure of the State but was quick to add that the opposition parties were putting up a united front against their machinations.
Urging Chief Minister to stand by her promise of quitting her chair if Article 35-A was abrogated, the three-time chief minister suggested her to visit all the three regions of the State and inform people about the dangerous consequences it would have on them.
Mehbooba had earlier warned New Delhi against tinkering with Article 35-A saying that if it was tinkered with, no one, neither NC nor PDP, who hold tricolor in Kashmir despite risks and attacks to their workers, would be left to hold it.
Abdullah urged all democratic forces across India to stop the onslaught of communal forces on Jammu Kashmir and help douse the raging fire.
“Abrogating Article 35-A will be a dangerous move, dangerous for Kashmir, dangerous for Jammu, dangerous for Ladakh and dangerous for the entire country,” he said.
Earlier, while chairing the meeting, sources quoted the NC president as saying that by raking up issues like Article 35-A, New Delhi was playing with fire and threatened it of consequences more dangerous than the agitation following the Amarnath land row of 2008 if this article was abrogated.
They said Abdullah held that if Article 35-A was abrogated, it would have an impact on the demography of the State.
Addressing media persons, Tarigami said the opposition would reach out to all democratic forces across India for protection of Article 35-A and identity of the State.
The Supreme Court is presently hearing a petition filed by a RSS-backed think-tank ‘Jammu Kashmir Study Centre’ that challenges Article 35-A of the Indian Constitution.
The apex court last month referred the matter to a three-judge bench and reportedly set a six-week deadline for its final disposal.

 

PS: I heard on NDTV debate how the anchors were defending opposition by giving excuse that people have right to have different view in a democracy. :facepalm: MoFos! No one is questioning right to have different view. People are questioning motive and reasoning to hold/support that "different view". Debate that

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