China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC)

[Prashant cricketer]

THe SCS headache was inflicted by Chinese on themselves. Not being satiated by land grabbing now they are claiming sovereignty over seas way outside their maritime limits. They deserve pain and humiliation that the US wants to inflict on them if they will they  can push around smaller neighbors and grab their territory.

 

Their aggressive actions further confirm that Chinese economy is towards a terminal decline.

 

The Chinese communist leadership needs a strong cause to justify their control over the country. 3 decades of break neck economic growth was a strong reason, now that it has run its course, suddenly they have to become vanguards of Chinese " sovereignty " and claim vast swathes of water way outside their maritime limits.

 

The USSR was 10 times the military monster that China thinks itself to be. Yet the US managed to out-think and  get them broke.

 

China too has many weaknesses - the biggest being they can absolutely NOT survive without trade, trade with the west to be precise.

 

If push comes to shove ( and we are getting there) , China will pay a big price in trade wars if the west conciously gangs up against them.

 

Honestly China does not know how to handle power, they deserve to be softned up to a point where the civiilians there start questioning the Communist leadership there. Thats when the fun will begin and I hope this is what the west has planned or will plan...

[randomGuy]

29 minutes ago, Finer said:

If it wasn't for nehru, China would be using India. You guys would have been happier. Pakistan wasn't China's first choice, but it is more than that, not about India alone. It is about balancing. To keep India at bay through China and to balance USA/Russia through China. It is not just China using Pakistan, but it is also Pakistan using China too. With the deteriorating diplomatic relationship with USA, i think it is safer to have backup just in case given with China, you get Russia on the board through China which is improvement given the last two decades.

 

Plus, CPEC means thriving economical trades between China and Pakistan. In short, not everything revolves around India. Even in 60s, Pakistan was tiger in economy which had nothing to do with India/China, and even today, CPEC will put Pakistan on the map, and not Pakistan alone.

wrong. Pakistan's actual well being lies in having good relations with India by stopping terrorism against India. If China was not your ally, you would have realised this sooner rather than late.

 

Right now, you think you have an option (in China). But many of your own people are dying due to terrorism and will continue till the time you change your policy. What I am saying is that having China as an ally is blocking your mind from realising that your actual core interest (not what the military and ISI tells you) lies in having good relations with India by stopping terrorism.

[zen]

1 hour ago, Finer said:

Of course we don't. You guys do. Please carry on with the ability to discuss the issue on wikipedia.

No Pakistani that I know of has actually read the UN Resolution on Kashmir (even though they debate on it). So let me ask you, have you read it? If so post it here. We can compare it with wiki to see what the differences are. 

 

Surely, it is not a hard thing to do for you

 

Edited August 1, 2016 by rett

[Malcolm Merlyn]

7 hours ago, Prashant cricketer said:

 

 If so why did Philippines shut down the Nato bases on its soil for non payment of stationing fees ?

 

And also after the ruling, Philippines sent patrol outside to the area China claims and they were driven out by Chinese coastal guards. Why did US NATO not intervene ? Are you suggesting they reneged on their word ?

 

 

 

1.You are a bit out of sync on the NATO bases.8 new bases have been opened or are being opened by US in Philipines.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-usa-bases-idUSKCN0UR17K20160113

 

2.Can you post the relevant sources to you 2nd point.Afaik Chinese coast guards chased out fishing ships.

 

3.You expect NATO and US to intervene directly?They wont.But they will give arms and money to Philipines,Malaysia,Vietnam,Myanmar(read their statement on SCS verdict)Brunei etc to keep the chinese engaged.

[Prashant cricketer]

4 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

1.You are a bit out of sync on the NATO bases.8 new bases have been opened or are being opened by US in Philipines.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-usa-bases-idUSKCN0UR17K20160113

 

2.Can you post the relevant sources to you 2nd point.Afaik Chinese coast guards chased out fishing ships.

 

3.You expect NATO and US to intervene directly?They wont.But they will give arms and money to Philipines,Malaysia,Vietnam,Myanmar(read their statement on SCS verdict)Brunei etc to keep the chinese engaged.

 

 

Here is the source related to 2. 

 

http://www.ibtimes.com/south-china-sea-war-over-philippines-fishing-remains-possibility-after-chinese-coast-2391500

 

 

Obviously they have to intervene directly. This is not an Afghan occupation like scenario where arming the mujahids to fight occupying Soviets  will work. China will bulldoze them with sheer numbers. Unless US NATO intervenes directly, China will continue bullying.

[velu]

Rename the title to pak - china - north korea axis to put things in the right place [emoji12]

[Vilander]

5 hours ago, Asim said:

Lol check ur tone :) btw u got any blood-pressure issues? I hope not :/
 

Bro as I probably mentioned above, cant here make this debate over Broader issues of indian occupied Kashmir since 1947... This thread anyways is specifically about a certain brutality of indian forces  and regarding innocent Kashmiri victims who losing their lives or vision forever which obv is reported by international media all around the world...

Still if u insist, Here's quick short ans: No we r never going to ever withdraw from the claims that i. India unlawfully occupying the territory of Kashmir ii. that particular indian occupied Kashmir is an integral part of Pakistan. Also Pakistan will keep this issues highlighted around the world, Kashmiris will keep their struggle to get their land free frm indian occupied forces and Pakistan will continue morally supporting them...

Happy?

 

(Just a little bonus for u: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kashmir-illegally-occupied-by-India-JNU-professor-says-in-controversial-speech/articleshow/51329622.cms)

And we are going to keep killing terrorists

[Prashant cricketer]

24 minutes ago, Finer said:

Let me guess. Pakistan should stop diplomatic relationship with China because it is same China that funds terrorism in Balochistan, Karachi and the rest of Pakistan, including Afghanistan? If anything, Pakistan should develop relationship with India, to this day hasn't acknowledged the existence of Pakistan never mind treating Indian Muslims as alien in your land?

 

China didn't harm Pakistan. If anything, China has been blessing in disguise for Pakistan. I know you are fed with Indian medias, but Pakistan benefits a lot from China. Regarding India, i am not gonna anything that might trigger your real reaction here.

 

Nonetheless, both Pakistan and China are here to stay. If anything, only India has problem with both of them. I suggest India gets a grip of reality and learn to cooperate with each other for the sake of economical growth.

 

Pakistan is not funding terrorism in Balochistan, Afghanistan, Karachi and Kashmir. It is not China either. Take a wild guess. Hence the statement earlier regarding why foreign element should funding terrorism and learn to accept the reality and work together for the sake of economical growth. The day India stops funding terrorism, that is the day both China and Pakistan learn to trust India.

 

For God's sake, you guys voted for Modi who was allegedly involved in genocide against Muslims not long ago. Yet the irony of reality continues to escape from you guys. You guys have messed up priority. It is as if you guys don't understand the word, cooperation, peace, unity and equality.

 

Pakistan is here to stay. You will have to get used to the reality that Pakistan is reality. The day India stops trying to undermine two states policy, that is the day both India and Pakistan can move ahead towards the beautiful friendship, but that is gonna take a while. And yes, Pakistan is not gonna abandon China just because India doesn't like China. That's your problems, not Pakistan.

 

Good going. Its about who to get used by and then dumped and flushed. First Amrika, now China. Enjoy.

 

 

[Prashant cricketer]

24 minutes ago, Finer said:

No offense. USA cannot afford to dump Pakistan. As history shows, it is USA came running towards Pakistan for help twice which in return compensated with handsome funding in exchange for help from Pakistan. With Pakistan diplomatic relationship taking positive turn with Iran and Russia thank to China, i doubt USA will ever let Pakistan go - never mind the fact that USA is leaving Afghanistan with Pakistan for the second time to look after. USA will need Pakistan.

 

If anything, India is being used and its hatred for Pakistan is being exploited for great measures since unlike Pakistan, India is not regional power. Haven't you seen the result of Modi and his foreign policy where he scoured everywhere including Arab nations and Turkey and yet backfired? He came back empty-handed.

 

Pakistan is more important to Arab nations and Turkey than India. Pakistan is important to USA than India. Pakistan is more important to China than India. Pakistan is important to Iran than India despite of long history with Iran.

 

The only different is that the rest of world accepts the reality whereas India hasn't since 1947. Everyone can see Indian hatred for Pakistan is being exploited in the great manner. India is trying to look important, but in reality, India will never be important. Be grateful that Pakistan made you important because if it wasn't hatred of Pakistan, Indian wouldn't be considered as variable for strategy interest by others who sees Pakistan as threat sitting from far far away.

 

Its a pity that your " important" country and people are viewed with suspicion and struggle to get foreign visas unlike other countries.

 

Its also a pity that you take great pride in being a country who can service a master in return for a few pennies thrown into a begging bowl.

 

I wonder which retarded world you get your facts from. Modi was conferred your Saudi master's highest civilian award.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/modi-saudi-arabia-king-abdulaziz-sash-civilian-honour/

 

India is important because we make we produce and we have human capital and immense purchasing power.

 

Pakistan is synonymous with nuisance and terror. This is the reality. Whether you like it or not.

 

Edited August 2, 2016 by Prashant cricketer

[Prashant cricketer]

3 minutes ago, Finer said:

I don't know what Indian medias has taught you. In reality, It is India that has reputation of funding terrorism which the confession came on the lip of RAW agent, Ajit. Never mind the full boasted testimony of Afghan intel cooperating with RAW agency to fund terrorism to undermine the stability of Pakistan.

 

The world needs Pakistan. Arab nations which you are referring to highest civilian award needs Pakistan. Turkey needs Pakistan. USA needs Pakistan. China needs Pakistan.

 

Enemy of Pakistan needs India. What do you think happen to India when the mission is accomplished? They get thrown up. Just to entertain your hypothetical scenario, if Pakistan is attacked, the whole world would be enraged [Arab nations/Turkey/China...etc], including Afghanistan which Pakistan is currently housing more than 2 million Afghan refugees. If something happens to India, nobody cares.  Not even Afghanistan.

 

I know the truth is bitter, but good news is Pakistan made you important.

 

 

DO you know how many Bangladeshi refugees came to India due your atrocities against Bengalis before we were forced to break East Pakistan from you ? 

 

A US embassador told musharraf that if Pak does not cooperate in war on terror it will be bombed back to stone age. 

 

Guess what OBL was found a few years later in your great country.

 

Please keep living in that dirty hole

 

[Prashant cricketer]

you are correct bro. Pak is the most imp nation in the world. everybody needs Pak. There is shortage of water in the world everywhere.

Everybody needs Pak like we all need toilet paper.

[velu]

only reason padosis are happy about this CPEC is that it potentially opens up thousands of truck driver jobs for them

 

[Adi_91]

2 hours ago, velu said:

only reason padosis are happy about this CPEC is that it potentially opens up thousands of truck driver jobs for them

 

You mean this?

 

 

[jusarrived]

http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/fenced-08192016163850.html

http://religionandpolitics.org/2016/08/09/the-persecution-of-chinas-muslim-uyghurs/

 

What are our Pak posters opinion on this ? 

 

[Sandeep99]

Essentially a road for China's manufactured goods to be taken to the sea. What's the big deal in this? China is duping Pakistan.. This is colonization. Plain and simple.

[zen]

Dawn

 

Quote

 

ISLAMABAD: Lawmakers from the upper house on Monday expressed the fear that the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) could turn into another East India Company if the country’s interests were not actively protected.

“Another East India Company is in the offing; national interests are not being protected. We are proud of the friendship between Pakistan and China, but the interests of the state should come first,” Senator Tahir Mashhadi, chairman of the Senate Standing Committee on Planning and Development, said when some committee members raised the concern that the government was not protecting the rights and interests of the people.

The East India Company was the British trading mission sent to India, which became the precursor to the British colonial presence in the subcontinent, eventually gaining power and overthrowing the Mughals who ruled India at the time.

Following a briefing by Planning Commission Secretary Yousuf Nadeem Khokhar, a number of committee members voiced their fears over what they perceived as the utilisation of local financing for CPEC projects, instead of funding from the Chinese or any other foreign investment. They also expressed concern over the fixing of power tariff for CPEC-related power projects by the Chinese.

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Senators question why most corridor projects are being funded locally, not through foreign investment

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Since only one of three Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) members of the committee was present at the meeting, most of this criticism went unanswered.

Even Senator Saeedul Hassan Mandokhail endorsed the committee chairman’s complaints.

The meeting was informed that a major portion of the CPEC depended on local finances rather than Chinese investment.

“It will be very harmful for us if we have to bear the entire burden; will this [project] be a national development or a national calamity? Whatever loans taken from China will have to be paid by the poor people of Pakistan,” Mr Mashhadi observed.

Highlighting the status of CPEC-related power projects, the Planning Commission secretary said that the Matiari-Lahore transmission line project had “not been scrapped” and was being pursued by its Chinese sponsors.

Recently, the National Energy Power Regulatory Authority (Nepra) had approved tariff for the project, while the government’s Private Power Infrastructure Board had filed a review petition on the tariff in order to address the sponsors’ concerns.

At this, Senator Usman Khan Kakar pointed out that Nepra had fixed the power tariff for the project at 71 paisas/unit, while Chinese investors were demanding 95 paisas/unit.

“The government has filed an appeal before Nepra, seeking the increase despite the fact that the burden will be borne by poor consumers,” he said.

The secretary also informed the committee that the Gadani power plant complex had been shelved due to the lack of a dedicated jetty.

He also said that the 6,000MW project was not part of the CPEC.

Senator Kakar immediately reacted, saying that despite the fact that the project was not part of the CPEC, Chinese Ambassador Sun Weidong had recently claimed that the Gadani power plant had not been scrapped and was indeed a part of the corridor. “Why is this project, which does not even exist, being counted in our account?” he asked.

He said that the infrastructure being established in Gwadar would only benefit the Chinese and Punjab governments, not the local community. “The people of Balochistan will only get one benefit from this project, which is the water supply,” he said, adding that no electricity or railway projects had been planned for Balochistan under the CPEC.

Senator Mandokhail said that a sense of deprivation was being instilled in smaller provinces. “We do not want the CPEC at the cost of the federation,” he added.

Since Minister for Planning and Development Ahsan Iqbal was not present in the meeting, the senator urged the secretary to advise him to ensure the integrity of the federation.

Senator Mandokhail also accused the Planning Commission of prioritising Balochistan very low on its list, given that it has not representation in the commission itself.

Jamaat-i-Islami Emir Senator Sirajul Haq said that like certain other parts of the country, Fata and AJK were also being neglected in the CPEC. “There is nothing for both areas in the CPEC,” he said and suggested that a 35km road was built to link Muzaffarabad to the CPEC so that the people of AJK could also reap its benefits.

Published in Dawn, October 18th, 2016

 

 

[velu]

On 8/2/2016 at 8:12 AM, Finer said:

No offense. USA cannot afford to dump Pakistan. As history shows, it is USA came running towards Pakistan for help twice which in return compensated with handsome funding in exchange for help from Pakistan.

 

your army general agreed to cooperate with USA , otherwise USA might have bombed you guys to stone age

 

[chewy]

On 02/08/2016 at 3:42 AM, Finer said:

No offense. USA cannot afford to dump Pakistan. As history shows, it is USA came running towards Pakistan for help twice which in return compensated with handsome funding in exchange for help from Pakistan. With Pakistan diplomatic relationship taking positive turn with Iran and Russia thank to China, i doubt USA will ever let Pakistan go - never mind the fact that USA is leaving Afghanistan with Pakistan for the second time to look after. USA will need Pakistan.

 

If anything, India is being used and its hatred for Pakistan is being exploited for great measures since unlike Pakistan, India is not regional power. Haven't you seen the result of Modi and his foreign policy where he scoured everywhere including Arab nations and Turkey and yet backfired? He came back empty-handed.

 

Pakistan is more important to Arab nations and Turkey than India. Pakistan is important to USA than India. Pakistan is more important to China than India. Pakistan is important to Iran than India despite of long history with Iran.

 

The only different is that the rest of world accepts the reality whereas India hasn't since 1947. Everyone can see Indian hatred for Pakistan is being exploited in the great manner. India is trying to look important, but in reality, India will never be important. Be grateful that Pakistan made you important because if it wasn't hatred of Pakistan, Indian wouldn't be considered as variable for strategy interest by others who sees Pakistan as threat sitting from far far away.

haha, you are proper moron, Bush had pakistan by the balls, and your cowardly bastard army decide to obey your American masters.

 

remember these are same cowards who ran to USA after Mumbai terror attacks to beg US to request India not invade your terrorist nation.

 

 

[zen]

CPEC = Chinese Policy of Encroaching Pakistan

[velu]

21 hours ago, zen said:

Dawn

 

 

who wants to occupy pakistan in their right state of mind ?