Watch out world for this young threatening fast bowler from india

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, renjith said:

Indian seamers except shami are the worst amoung test playing nations. Why would any county show interest in these guys?

 

Here is a list of the worst bowling averages among seamers who have played more than 10 tests and picked up 30 wickets in the last 3 years.  None of  bowlers with highest averages are Indians.  We are not as bad as you think and others are not as good.

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_average;orderbyad=reverse;qualmax1=800;qualmin1=30;qualval1=wickets;size=100;spanmax1=25+Aug+2016;spanmin1=25+Aug+2013;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

 

From ESPNCRICINFO :

 

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
RAS Lakmal (SL)	2013-2016	15	29	519.3	96	1653	40	4/78	6/105	41.32	3.18	77.9	0	0
Rahat Ali (PAK)	2013-2016	15	28	524.2	104	1630	42	5/52	7/100	38.80	3.10	74.9	1	0
RMS Eranga (SL)	2013-2016	12	22	424.3	92	1357	36	4/49	6/226	37.69	3.19	70.7	0	0
BA Stokes (ENG)	2013-2016	25	44	644.2	111	2255	60	6/36	8/161	37.58	3.49	64.4	2	0
N Pradeep (SL)	2014-2016	17	33	542.3	90	1848	51	4/62	7/180	36.23	3.40	63.8	0	0
KAJ Roach (WI)	2014-2016	14	24	399.4	71	1333	37	5/42	8/116	36.02	3.33	64.8	1	0
Wahab Riaz (PAK)	2014-2016	11	20	364.5	48	1249	36	4/66	6/164	34.69	3.42	60.8	0	0
VD Philander (SA)	2013-2016	17	30	470.2	114	1270	37	4/29	7/129	34.32	2.70	76.2	0	0
Junaid Khan (PAK)	2013-2015	13	24	487.0	96	1436	42	5/58	8/151	34.19	2.94	69.5	2	0
Mohammed Shami (India)	2013-2016	16	30	539.3	82	1983	58	5/47	9/118	34.18	3.67	55.8	2	0
I Sharma (India)	2013-2016	21	37	679.0	137	2203	65	7/74	9/162	33.89	3.24	62.6	4	0
PM Siddle (AUS)	2013-2016	15	30	487.0	143	1353	41	4/35	6/67	33.00	2.77	71.2	0	0
JE Taylor (WI)	2014-2016	17	29	470.2	108	1557	48	6/47	6/69	32.43	3.31	58.7	1	0
ST Finn (ENG)	2015-2016	12	21	333.0	54	1106	35	6/79	8/117	31.60	3.32	57.0	1	0
TG Southee (NZ)	2013-2016	25	47	942.2	204	2766	90	4/19	7/89	30.73	2.93	62.8	0	0

Edited August 25, 2016 by express bowling

[gakgupta]

Indian seamers except shami are the worst amoung test playing nations. Why would any county show interest in these guys?

Hmmm maybe Indian seamers are not as bad as you are projecting them....

Even the 2 matches which Pak won recently are because of their wrist spinner yasir

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[Mosher]

1 hour ago, tweaker said:

https://imgur.com/1eVFzZL.gifv

What a yorker from Nathu! Late inswing right at the batsman's toes. Unplayable. Thanks for sharing.

[rkt.india]

20 hours ago, fineleg said:

english county cricket, send him there. Did a world of good for ZK

County cricket has some criteria. They dont take rookies. You will have to have some international experience to play county cricket.

[rkt.india]

19 hours ago, renjith said:

Indian seamers except shami are the worst amoung test playing nations. Why would any county show interest in these guys?

Varun Aaron played for Durham in 2014.

Edited August 26, 2016 by rkt.india

[gattaca]

Gupta bhai @MCcricket has hyped a fast bowler from Rajasthan as well pankaj Singh who took loads of wickets in Ranji. I thought he was the best fast bowler in India at that time. He bowled horribly in England on a green wicket. Swing was his strength but he failed horribly. I am not saying did the wrong thing in hyping. Pankaj's stats were really good as well. 

Edited August 26, 2016 by gattaca

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Varun Aaron played for Durham in 2014.

He played what 3-4 matches,that to at the end of the season. Similary Pujara he didnt play many games, playing that few games doesnt help u much. 

[rkt.india]

47 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He played what 3-4 matches,that to at the end of the season. Similary Pujara he didnt play many games, playing that few games doesnt help u much. 

Did you understand the point of that post?

[Vilander]

On 8/24/2016 at 11:22 PM, Mosher said:

Those fast inswinging yorkers that he bowled were really good. He will be very handy in knocking down those pesky tailenders. Watch the video below of his 6-fer.

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/2344/duleep-trophy-2016-17-india-red-vs-india-green-nathu-singhs-6-wicket-haul

 

There is a quaint old world charm to this Duleep trophy production from BCCI.

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/2367/duleep-trophy-2016-17-india-red-vs-india-green-post-match-presentation

 

No loud banners no loud announcer, no crappy fan awards and no ball signing, ( understandably those are not needed here) smart spattering of  an appreciative crowd on a green seating area around the ground but yeah makes the cricket and cricketers come out honest as the way it used to be.  Why is everyone having a beard ?

[Brainfade]

On 8/24/2016 at 11:22 PM, Mosher said:

Those fast inswinging yorkers that he bowled were really good. He will be very handy in knocking down those pesky tailenders. Watch the video below of his 6-fer.

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/2344/duleep-trophy-2016-17-india-red-vs-india-green-nathu-singhs-6-wicket-haul

 

Three things:

(1) Video quality is incredible.

(2) Seam position.

(3) The persistent howzatting ... not sure it's necessary. 

[renjith]

23 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Here is a list of the worst bowling averages among seamers who have played more than 10 tests and picked up 30 wickets in the last 3 years.  None of  bowlers with highest averages are Indians.  We are not as bad as you think and others are not as good.

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_average;orderbyad=reverse;qualmax1=800;qualmin1=30;qualval1=wickets;size=100;spanmax1=25+Aug+2016;spanmin1=25+Aug+2013;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

 

From ESPNCRICINFO :

 

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
RAS Lakmal (SL)	2013-2016	15	29	519.3	96	1653	40	4/78	6/105	41.32	3.18	77.9	0	0
Rahat Ali (PAK)	2013-2016	15	28	524.2	104	1630	42	5/52	7/100	38.80	3.10	74.9	1	0
RMS Eranga (SL)	2013-2016	12	22	424.3	92	1357	36	4/49	6/226	37.69	3.19	70.7	0	0
BA Stokes (ENG)	2013-2016	25	44	644.2	111	2255	60	6/36	8/161	37.58	3.49	64.4	2	0
N Pradeep (SL)	2014-2016	17	33	542.3	90	1848	51	4/62	7/180	36.23	3.40	63.8	0	0
KAJ Roach (WI)	2014-2016	14	24	399.4	71	1333	37	5/42	8/116	36.02	3.33	64.8	1	0
Wahab Riaz (PAK)	2014-2016	11	20	364.5	48	1249	36	4/66	6/164	34.69	3.42	60.8	0	0
VD Philander (SA)	2013-2016	17	30	470.2	114	1270	37	4/29	7/129	34.32	2.70	76.2	0	0
Junaid Khan (PAK)	2013-2015	13	24	487.0	96	1436	42	5/58	8/151	34.19	2.94	69.5	2	0
Mohammed Shami (India)	2013-2016	16	30	539.3	82	1983	58	5/47	9/118	34.18	3.67	55.8	2	0
I Sharma (India)	2013-2016	21	37	679.0	137	2203	65	7/74	9/162	33.89	3.24	62.6	4	0
PM Siddle (AUS)	2013-2016	15	30	487.0	143	1353	41	4/35	6/67	33.00	2.77	71.2	0	0
JE Taylor (WI)	2014-2016	17	29	470.2	108	1557	48	6/47	6/69	32.43	3.31	58.7	1	0
ST Finn (ENG)	2015-2016	12	21	333.0	54	1106	35	6/79	8/117	31.60	3.32	57.0	1	0
TG Southee (NZ)	2013-2016	25	47	942.2	204	2766	90	4/19	7/89	30.73	2.93	62.8	0	0

Based on that list yes. But if you look beyond stats, compare the top 3 bowlers of aus, sa, nz,  eng, pak, SL to the likes of ishant, bhuvi, Umesh,  aaron then you can understand what I meant. If Taylor had not retired recently even Wi bowling of tailor, roach, Joseph,  (I forgot one guys name) looks better than above mentioned indian bowlers. So that only leaves zim whose bowlers are poorer than associate nations.

[renjith]

On 25/08/2016 at 11:10 PM, gakgupta said:

Hmmm maybe Indian seamers are not as bad as you are projecting them....

Even the 2 matches which Pak won recently are because of their wrist spinner yasir

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I think county teams are allowed 1 or 2 overseas players as of now. So Wat I meant is why should they pick indian fast bowlers for that limited number. If you see my above post I think they are only above zim and bangladesh bowlers amoung test playing nations (excluding shami)

Edited August 26, 2016 by renjith

[express bowling]

18 minutes ago, renjith said:

Based on that list yes. But if you look beyond stats, compare the top 3 bowlers of aus, sa, nz,  eng, pak, SL to the likes of ishant, bhuvi, Umesh,  aaron then you can understand what I meant. If Taylor had not retired recently even Wi bowling of tailor, roach, Joseph,  (I forgot one guys name) looks better than above mentioned indian bowlers. So that only leaves zim whose bowlers are poorer than associate nations.

Aus, SA and Eng ....yes, they have better pacers than us..... NZ  marginally better...... Pakistan is at par with us....SL and WI are worse.

 

NZ don't have all condition pacers apart from Wagner. They look ordinary if the ball is not swinging. They have better stats as they get to play  50% of their tests in NZ.

 

Pakistani pacers ...I have discussed in another thread.

 

Jerome Taylor was a very ordinary bowler. Kemar Roach was decent but he is not playing. They don't have any other who is good and has played even 5 tests. Joseph and Co....let them play a few, then we shall  assess them.

 

SL has only Dhamika Prasad who has done a good job. Eranga, Lakmal, Pradeep etc. have been bad at test level.

 

 

[beetle]

2 hours ago, Vilander said:

Why is everyone having a beard ?

Seriously??why???

It is just the latest fad or  laziness.Not just on the field...even guys walking around on the streets ,malls.

It is not just a stubble...but now the beards are becoming big bakra  beards.  

Edited August 26, 2016 by radhika

[renjith]

21 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Aus, SA and Eng ....yes, they have better pacers than us..... NZ  marginally better...... Pakistan is at par with us....SL and WI are worse.

 

NZ don't have all condition pacers apart from Wagner. They look ordinary if the ball is not swinging. They have better stats as they get to play  50% of their tests in NZ.

 

Pakistani pacers ...I have discussed in another thread.

 

Jerome Taylor was a very ordinary bowler. Kemar Roach was decent but he is not playing. They don't have any other who is good and has played even 5 tests. Joseph and Co....let them play a few, then we shall  assess them.

 

SL has only Dhamika Prasad who has done a good job. Eranga, Lakmal, Pradeep etc. have been bad at test level.

 

 

You also agree that only SL and Wi seamers are worse than ours. So why should county teams opt for these average guys for the limited 1 or 2 slots?

 

Also I have seen prasad, pra deep and eranga bowling much better than indian bowlers. But I accept it's debatable whether SL or ind have better seam attack.

 

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, renjith said:

You also agree that only SL and Wi seamers are worse than ours. So why should county teams opt for these average guys for the limited 1 or 2 slots?

 

Also I have seen prasad, pra deep and eranga bowling much better than indian bowlers. But I accept it's debatable whether SL or ind have better seam attack.

 

I was not debating about counties taking or not taking our pacers.  They have their own system.

 

Just pointing out that there are many other pacers playing international cricket, especially from SL, WI, Pakistan  ...who have done worse than our pacers.

 

We should definitely look for better pacers but should also know where our pacers stand in terms of performance in the global scene.

 

 

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, radhika said:

Seriously??why???

It is just the latest fad or  laziness.Not just on the field...even guys walking around on the streets ,malls.

It is not just a stubble...but now the beards are becoming big bakra  beards.  

Lol at your smilies Radhikaji, yes it kinda helps the lazy i guess,  i have been considering having one( the wife and toddler wont agree though), but i'd look 'you know like what' walking around and i dont want a strip search event ( although in the country i domicile in its not very common) but why take risk, so just a goatee for now.

[Vilander]

2 hours ago, renjith said:

I think county teams are allowed 1 or 2 overseas players as of now. So Wat I meant is why should they pick indian fast bowlers for that limited number. If you see my above post I think they are only above zim and bangladesh bowlers amoung test playing nations (excluding shami)

 

2 hours ago, renjith said:

Based on that list yes. But if you look beyond stats, compare the top 3 bowlers of aus, sa, nz,  eng, pak, SL to the likes of ishant, bhuvi, Umesh,  aaron then you can understand what I meant. If Taylor had not retired recently even Wi bowling of tailor, roach, Joseph,  (I forgot one guys name) looks better than above mentioned indian bowlers. So that only leaves zim whose bowlers are poorer than associate nations.

how do you do that, whilst looking at stats how do you look beyond it. Does one just start starring at the wall with a deep expression ? 

how exactly is Indian bowlers worse than SL,Pak,Eng presently ? can you please give some substantiation.

 

Did you see the two test matches India just won recently ?

 

 

 

[MCcricket]

8 hours ago, gattaca said:

Gupta bhai @MCcricket has hyped a fast bowler from Rajasthan as well pankaj Singh who took loads of wickets in Ranji. I thought he was the best fast bowler in India at that time. He bowled horribly in England on a green wicket. Swing was his strength but he failed horribly. I am not saying did the wrong thing in hyping. Pankaj's stats were really good as well. 

Pankaj did not bowl on a green track in England he played two tests o my n bowled very well in first test n few dropped catches made him look ordinary ,he beat the bat many times n intact had bowl well, second test was  not so good, but he was one talent wasted by BCCI

[renjith]

7 hours ago, Vilander said:

 

how do you do that, whilst looking at stats how do you look beyond it. Does one just start starring at the wall with a deep expression ? 

how exactly is Indian bowlers worse than SL,Pak,Eng presently ? can you please give some substantiation.

 

Did you see the two test matches India just won recently ?

 

 

 

Stats is only one of the criteria for judging quality. There are so many other factors. You can try to get some details on pragmatic selections policies.