Have domestic triple hundreds lost their significance?

[Texan]

Ravindra Jadeja, who has not one, not two, but three First Class triple hundreds, cannot even average 25 with the bat after 20 Tests. These days, I see triple hundreds being scored left, right and center.

 

So, the question is - is making huge scores in an innings such as a triple hundred even significant any more? A triple hundred in a First Class game should signify some serious batting capability, but all it seems to indicate is that the opposing bowling attack was toothless under the conditions and the batsman who got there just ground out the hapless bowlers. There was no real contest between bat and ball. Even players with moderate to low batting skills are getting 300s.

[rkt.india]

first tell me how many triple hundreds have been scored in last 10 years in our domestic cricket?

[fineleg]

Any achievement in domestics always need to be viewed with a 60% filter. Coz domestics is domestics. It is not international class opposition. A-tour (away) games carry more weightage.

Edited October 18, 2016 by fineleg

[Texan]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

first tell me how many triple hundreds have been scored in last 10 years in our domestic cricket?

Not sure about exact details, but there were two in the MH-Delhi match (only the second time in FC history that there were two 300s in same match) and a third one (Bawne) could have got there had MH not declared. 3 x 300s for Jadeja, 3 more for Pujara. Only 9 batsmen in the history of cricket have scored 3 x 300s in FC cricket. 

[rkt.india]

10 minutes ago, Texan said:

Not sure about exact details, but there were two in the MH-Delhi match (only the second time in FC history that there were two 300s in same match) and a third one (Bawne) could have got there had MH not declared. 3 x 300s for Jadeja, 3 more for Pujara. Only 9 batsmen in the history of cricket have scored 3 x 300s in FC cricket. 

i dont think many triple hundreds have been scored in domestic cricket in last 5-10 years. Conditions have been rather bowling friendly. 

[express bowling]

 

 A COMPLETE LIST OF 300+ SCORES IN RANJI TROPHY  ( from cricketarchives.com )

 

6  such scores in the last 4 seasons including the current one.

 

10  such  scores in the last 5 seasons including the current one.

 

89

MOST RUNS IN AN INNINGS IN RANJI TROPHY

443*	BB Nimbalkar	Maharashtra v Kathiawar	Poona Club Ground, Poona	1948/49	f18171
377	SV Manjrekar	Bombay v Hyderabad	Wankhede Stadium, Bombay	1990/91	f39296
366	MV Sridhar	Hyderabad v Andhra	Gymkhana Ground, Secunderabad	1993/94	f40884
359*	VM Merchant	Bombay v Maharashtra	Brabourne Stadium, Bombay	1943/44	f16901
353	VVS Laxman	Hyderabad v Karnataka	M Chinnaswamy Stadium, Bangalore	1999/00	f45074
352	CA Pujara	Saurashtra v Karnataka	Saurashtra University Ground, Rajkot	2012/13	f54490
351*	SM Gugale	Maharashtra v Delhi	Wankhede Stadium, Mumbai	2016/17	f57324
340	SM Gavaskar	Bombay v Bengal	Wankhede Stadium, Bombay	1981/82	f33988
337	KL Rahul	Karnataka v Uttar Pradesh	M Chinnaswamy Stadium, Bangalore	2014/15	f56130
331	RA Jadeja	Saurashtra v Railways	Saurashtra Cricket Association Stadium, Rajkot	2012/13	f54386
328	KK Nair	Karnataka v Tamil Nadu	Wankhede Stadium, Mumbai	2014/15	f56276
327	KM Jadhav	Maharashtra v Uttar Pradesh	Subrata Roy Sahara Stadium, Gahunje	2012/13	f54289
323	AL Wadekar	Bombay v Mysore	Brabourne Stadium, Bombay	1966/67	f26657
323	DJ Gandhi	Bengal v Assam	North-East Frontier Railway Stadium, Guwahati	1998/99	f44056
319	Gul Mohammad	Baroda v Holkar	Central College Ground, Baroda	1946/47	f17439
316*	VS Hazare	Maharashtra v Baroda	Poona Club Ground, Poona	1939/40	f16769
314*	W Jaffer	Mumbai v Saurashtra	Municipal Stadium, Rajkot	1996/97	f42647
314	RA Jadeja	Saurashtra v Orissa	Barabati Stadium, Cuttack	2011/12	f53489
313	WV Raman	Tamil Nadu v Goa	Bhausaheb Bandodkar Ground, Panaji	1988/89	f37912
312	R Lamba	Delhi v Himachal Pradesh	Feroz Shah Kotla, Delhi	1994/95	f41457
312	Sunny Singh	Haryana v Madhya Pradesh	Emerald High School Ground, Indore	2009/10	f51893
309*	RG Sharma	Mumbai v Gujarat	Brabourne Stadium, Mumbai	2009/10	f52139
308*	D Mongia	Punjab v Jammu and Kashmir	Gandhi Stadium, Jalandhar	2000/01	f45340
308	K Srikar Bharat	Andhra v Goa	CSR Sarma College Ground, Ongole	2014/15	f56160
308	RR Panth	Delhi v Maharashtra	Wankhede Stadium, Mumbai	2016/17	f57324
306*	SR Nair	Kerala v Services	Fort Maidan, Palakkad	2007/08	f50361
305*	P Dharmani	Punjab v Jammu and Kashmir	Punjab Agricultural University Ground, Ludhiana	1999/00	f44657
303*	A Azeem	Hyderabad v Tamil Nadu	Gymkhana Ground, Secunderabad	1986/87	f36683
303*	RA Jadeja	Saurashtra v Gujarat	Lalabhai Contractor Stadium, Surat	2012/13	f54285
302*	A Kripal Singh	Tamil Nadu v Goa	Bhausaheb Bandodkar Ground, Panaji	1988/89	f37912
302*	CA Pujara	Saurashtra v Orissa	Khandheri Cricket Ground, Rajkot	2008/09	f51067
301*	VVS Laxman	Hyderabad v Bihar	Keenan Stadium, Jamshedpur	1997/98	f43529
301	W Jaffer	Mumbai v Saurashtra	MA Chidambaram Stadium, Chepauk, Chennai	2008/09	f51282
301*	AS Chopra	Rajasthan v Maharashtra	Hutatma Anant Kanhere Maidan, Golf Club Ground, Nasik	2010/11	f52843
300*	SS Das	Orissa v Jammu and Kashmir	Barabati Stadium, Cuttack	2006/07	f49751
300*	A Mukund	Tamil Nadu v Maharashtra	Hutatma Anant Kanhere Maidan, Golf Club Ground, Nasik	2008/09	f51039
300*	T Kohli	Punjab v Jharkhand	Keenan Stadium, Jamshedpur	2012/13

 

 

http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Records/Series/Ranji_Trophy/Batting_Records/Highest_Innings.html

 

Edited October 18, 2016 by express bowling

[Texan]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 A COMPLETE LIST OF 300+ SCORES IN RANJI TROPHY  ( from cricketarchives.com )

 

6  such scores in the last 4 seasons including the current one.

 

10  such  scores in the last 5 seasons including the current one.

 

89

MOST RUNS IN AN INNINGS IN RANJI TROPHY

443*	BB Nimbalkar	Maharashtra v Kathiawar	Poona Club Ground, Poona	1948/49	f18171
377	SV Manjrekar	Bombay v Hyderabad	Wankhede Stadium, Bombay	1990/91	f39296
366	MV Sridhar	Hyderabad v Andhra	Gymkhana Ground, Secunderabad	1993/94	f40884
359*	VM Merchant	Bombay v Maharashtra	Brabourne Stadium, Bombay	1943/44	f16901
353	VVS Laxman	Hyderabad v Karnataka	M Chinnaswamy Stadium, Bangalore	1999/00	f45074
352	CA Pujara	Saurashtra v Karnataka	Saurashtra University Ground, Rajkot	2012/13	f54490
351*	SM Gugale	Maharashtra v Delhi	Wankhede Stadium, Mumbai	2016/17	f57324
340	SM Gavaskar	Bombay v Bengal	Wankhede Stadium, Bombay	1981/82	f33988
337	KL Rahul	Karnataka v Uttar Pradesh	M Chinnaswamy Stadium, Bangalore	2014/15	f56130
331	RA Jadeja	Saurashtra v Railways	Saurashtra Cricket Association Stadium, Rajkot	2012/13	f54386
328	KK Nair	Karnataka v Tamil Nadu	Wankhede Stadium, Mumbai	2014/15	f56276
327	KM Jadhav	Maharashtra v Uttar Pradesh	Subrata Roy Sahara Stadium, Gahunje	2012/13	f54289
323	AL Wadekar	Bombay v Mysore	Brabourne Stadium, Bombay	1966/67	f26657
323	DJ Gandhi	Bengal v Assam	North-East Frontier Railway Stadium, Guwahati	1998/99	f44056
319	Gul Mohammad	Baroda v Holkar	Central College Ground, Baroda	1946/47	f17439
316*	VS Hazare	Maharashtra v Baroda	Poona Club Ground, Poona	1939/40	f16769
314*	W Jaffer	Mumbai v Saurashtra	Municipal Stadium, Rajkot	1996/97	f42647
314	RA Jadeja	Saurashtra v Orissa	Barabati Stadium, Cuttack	2011/12	f53489
313	WV Raman	Tamil Nadu v Goa	Bhausaheb Bandodkar Ground, Panaji	1988/89	f37912
312	R Lamba	Delhi v Himachal Pradesh	Feroz Shah Kotla, Delhi	1994/95	f41457
312	Sunny Singh	Haryana v Madhya Pradesh	Emerald High School Ground, Indore	2009/10	f51893
309*	RG Sharma	Mumbai v Gujarat	Brabourne Stadium, Mumbai	2009/10	f52139
308*	D Mongia	Punjab v Jammu and Kashmir	Gandhi Stadium, Jalandhar	2000/01	f45340
308	K Srikar Bharat	Andhra v Goa	CSR Sarma College Ground, Ongole	2014/15	f56160
308	RR Panth	Delhi v Maharashtra	Wankhede Stadium, Mumbai	2016/17	f57324
306*	SR Nair	Kerala v Services	Fort Maidan, Palakkad	2007/08	f50361
305*	P Dharmani	Punjab v Jammu and Kashmir	Punjab Agricultural University Ground, Ludhiana	1999/00	f44657
303*	A Azeem	Hyderabad v Tamil Nadu	Gymkhana Ground, Secunderabad	1986/87	f36683
303*	RA Jadeja	Saurashtra v Gujarat	Lalabhai Contractor Stadium, Surat	2012/13	f54285
302*	A Kripal Singh	Tamil Nadu v Goa	Bhausaheb Bandodkar Ground, Panaji	1988/89	f37912
302*	CA Pujara	Saurashtra v Orissa	Khandheri Cricket Ground, Rajkot	2008/09	f51067
301*	VVS Laxman	Hyderabad v Bihar	Keenan Stadium, Jamshedpur	1997/98	f43529
301	W Jaffer	Mumbai v Saurashtra	MA Chidambaram Stadium, Chepauk, Chennai	2008/09	f51282
301*	AS Chopra	Rajasthan v Maharashtra	Hutatma Anant Kanhere Maidan, Golf Club Ground, Nasik	2010/11	f52843
300*	SS Das	Orissa v Jammu and Kashmir	Barabati Stadium, Cuttack	2006/07	f49751
300*	A Mukund	Tamil Nadu v Maharashtra	Hutatma Anant Kanhere Maidan, Golf Club Ground, Nasik	2008/09	f51039
300*	T Kohli	Punjab v Jharkhand	Keenan Stadium, Jamshedpur	2012/13

 

 

http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Records/Series/Ranji_Trophy/Batting_Records/Highest_Innings.html

 

Thanks. That does seem to validate that we have had far too many in the last 10 years.

 

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, Texan said:

Thanks. That does seem to validate that we have had far too many in the last 10 years.

 

A 19 year old smashing a 300 is still unbelievable.....so it depends...but yes Jadeja having 3 300's is a blot on our domestics

[Tibarn]

I still want to see Jadeja be given some responsibility in the batting order before I would say he can't bat. I feel like we only send him in for quick runs and don't really see if he can bat in difficult situations. He may not be good, but I am not sure yet. His triple hundreds say that he at least has some temperament to play a longish innings. 

 

We should send some of our weaker batsmen up the order in small chases to  see if they are capable. 

[maniac]

9 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

I still want to see Jadeja be given some responsibility in the batting order before I would say he can't bat. I feel like we only send him in for quick runs and don't really see if he can bat in difficult situations. He may not be good, but I am not sure yet. His triple hundreds say that he at least has some temperament to play a longish innings. 

 

We should send some of our weaker batsmen up the order in small chases to  see if they are capable. 

Jadeja has played 20 tests and pretty much all of them have been low scoring result oriented affairs where he gor plenty of opportunities to bat...He has 31 innings in tests and most of them he has batted at 7 where he got ample opportunities to bat long 

[Tibarn]

3 minutes ago, maniac said:

Jadeja has played 20 tests and pretty much all of them have been low scoring result oriented affairs where he gor plenty of opportunities to bat...He has 31 innings in tests and most of them he has batted at 7 where he got ample opportunities to bat long 

Sure, but I am talking more about how he is asked to play. He is always supposed to slog/be aggressive as soon as he gets in to bat. He would usually come in after Dhoni, and the two would start playing shots. Even in the IPL, he isn't some great boundary hitter. 

 

I just think that they should ask him to play an actual batting innings instead of going for quick runs. Promote him up the order once or twice, like Ashwin got promoted, before we give up on his batting ability. I'm not saying he will be good, but I just want to see. 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Texan said:

Thanks. That does seem to validate that we have had far too many in the last 10 years.

 

 

I  think we have to take the 300+ scores on a case to case basis to judge their importance.

 

Quality of opposition bowlers, pitch on which it was scored, experience and age of the batsman, scores by other batters of his team etc. would help us determine that.

 

In case of  Pant's 300+....his young age and the fact that he was playing his 3rd FC match, does add  something extra to this huge score.  It is not easy to graduate to the next level with such a spectacular knock.  Another interesting fact is that the next highest score for Delhi was only 71 in that innings although the opposition had two large individual scores.

[express bowling]

54 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

I still want to see Jadeja be given some responsibility in the batting order before I would say he can't bat. I feel like we only send him in for quick runs and don't really see if he can bat in difficult situations. He may not be good, but I am not sure yet. His triple hundreds say that he at least has some temperament to play a longish innings. 

 

We should send some of our weaker batsmen up the order in small chases to  see if they are capable. 

You do have a point. But, to implement this .....Jadeja needs to work on his 2 major weaknesses     a)  Tacking the short rising ball     b)  Playing deliveries outside the off-stump. He tries to play at too many deliveries and also plays them with a sliced bat which often results in catches.

[gakgupta]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

I  think we have to take the 300+ scores on a case to case basis to judge their importance.

 

Quality of opposition bowlers, pitch on which it was scored, experience and age of the batsman, scores by other batters of his team etc. would help us determine that.

 

In case of  Pant's 300+....his young age and the fact that he was playing his 3rd FC match, does add  something extra to this huge score.  It is not easy to graduate to the next level with such a spectacular knock.  Another interesting fact is that the next highest score for Delhi was only 71 in that innings although the opposition had two large individual scores.

Pant 300+ is little more valuable as it is in the second innings.... when there is a score board pressure...

What impresses me his strike rate....he is a natural stroke-maker and would be perfect ODI material

[nevada]

19 hours ago, Texan said:

Ravindra Jadeja, who has not one, not two, but three First Class triple hundreds, cannot even average 25 with the bat after 20 Tests. These days, I see triple hundreds being scored left, right and center.

 

So, the question is - is making huge scores in an innings such as a triple hundred even significant any more? A triple hundred in a First Class game should signify some serious batting capability, but all it seems to indicate is that the opposing bowling attack was toothless under the conditions and the batsman who got there just ground out the hapless bowlers. There was no real contest between bat and ball. Even players with moderate to low batting skills are getting 300s.

If it were just one, you could write it off as a fluke. After all, even Jason Gillespie has a test double hundred to his name. But sir has 3 triples to his name, which imply he is a capable batsman. Given those lofty numbers one would think he would have scored a century or two in tests by now. It is sad that he is just slightly above tailender level. And yes, his lack of batting success does cheapen other domestic triple centuries as well. It poses a dilemma for selectors in rating the true caliber of a player. Providing a good balance of power between bat and ball is the only way to weed out such anomalies. 

[Texan]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

I  think we have to take the 300+ scores on a case to case basis to judge their importance.

 

Quality of opposition bowlers, pitch on which it was scored, experience and age of the batsman, scores by other batters of his team etc. would help us determine that.

 

In case of  Pant's 300+....his young age and the fact that he was playing his 3rd FC match, does add  something extra to this huge score.  It is not easy to graduate to the next level with such a spectacular knock.  Another interesting fact is that the next highest score for Delhi was only 71 in that innings although the opposition had two large individual scores.

I was not really referring to Pant in this post. Yes, I completely agree with you on Pant - getting a 300 in just his third match and that too at the SR that he scored at (almost Sehwag like). I am actually one of those who thinks Pant should be immediately picked in the T20 team to plan for the 2018 World T20.

 

I agree that a case by case analysis is called for here.

[Texan]

10 hours ago, Tibarn said:

Sure, but I am talking more about how he is asked to play. He is always supposed to slog/be aggressive as soon as he gets in to bat. He would usually come in after Dhoni, and the two would start playing shots. Even in the IPL, he isn't some great boundary hitter. 

 

I just think that they should ask him to play an actual batting innings instead of going for quick runs. Promote him up the order once or twice, like Ashwin got promoted, before we give up on his batting ability. I'm not saying he will be good, but I just want to see. 

Before Ashwin got promoted, Jadeja was always batting ahead of Ashwin. It was because of lack of runs and more importantly technical deficiencies in Jadeja's batting that caused Kohli as captain to get Ashwin to bat higher than Jadeja. Ashwin's FC batting average of 34 is almost identical to his Test average of 33. Ashwin got his first Test hundred in only his third innings and that too, batting at 8. Jadeja has got plenty of opportunities with the bat so far, so there cannot be any excuses. Hopefully he has learnt from them and can turn around his Test batting form and justify his FC records.

[Vijy]

On 10/18/2016 at 11:31 AM, express bowling said:

 

I  think we have to take the 300+ scores on a case to case basis to judge their importance.

 

Quality of opposition bowlers, pitch on which it was scored, experience and age of the batsman, scores by other batters of his team etc. would help us determine that.

 

In case of  Pant's 300+....his young age and the fact that he was playing his 3rd FC match, does add  something extra to this huge score.  It is not easy to graduate to the next level with such a spectacular knock.  Another interesting fact is that the next highest score for Delhi was only 71 in that innings although the opposition had two large individual scores.

The track was quite flat - the opposition also did well. Same goes for Hood's 293.

[Vijy]

On 10/18/2016 at 9:17 PM, Texan said:

Before Ashwin got promoted, Jadeja was always batting ahead of Ashwin. It was because of lack of runs and more importantly technical deficiencies in Jadeja's batting that caused Kohli as captain to get Ashwin to bat higher than Jadeja. Ashwin's FC batting average of 34 is almost identical to his Test average of 33. Ashwin got his first Test hundred in only his third innings and that too, batting at 8. Jadeja has got plenty of opportunities with the bat so far, so there cannot be any excuses. Hopefully he has learnt from them and can turn around his Test batting form and justify his FC records.

He has turned it around already... from being a decent No.7/8 to now becoming a genuine No.9/10.