India's ODI vs Test sides

[Cricketics]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

why thinking short term? Raina isn't the solution. His struggles against pace are well known to everyone now.

He has been scoring runs in the past too. And there is nothing short term if we keep Raina in. He is still young at 30 and comes usually lower down in the order. To groom someone for future, we shouldn't drop one of our toughest competitor in ODI cricket who has been a top finisher for us. At times, a better finisher than Kohli and Dhoni.

If Raina was 35, I would say about grooming a new player, but he is 30.

[rkt.india]

5 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

He has been scoring runs in the past too. And there is nothing short term if we keep Raina in. He is still young at 30 and comes usually lower down in the order. To groom someone for future, we shouldn't drop one of our toughest competitor in ODI cricket who has been a top finisher for us. At times, a better finisher than Kohli and Dhoni.

If Raina was 35, I would say about grooming a new player, but he is 30.

But he has not been doing well and there is a reason he was dropped.

[Cricketics]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

But he has not been doing well and there is a reason he was dropped.

He would have been picked in the recent NZ series had he been fit.

[Vilander]

ODI is too cumbersome. There is this churn of so many players, conditions, minute matches no great relevance of getting it right in a single match..as you could get it wrong in the next match and loose it. ODI is just about world cup. 

 

Tests have greater returns per player unearthed or invested in.

[rkt.india]

23 hours ago, Cricketics said:

He would have been picked in the recent NZ series had he been fit.

and that would have been a poor pick because why would you pick without him doing anything after he was dropped. Raina has become an easy meat against any bowler bowling 140KPH.  

Edited December 23, 2016 by rkt.india

[gattaca]

On December 20, 2016 at 11:58 PM, Viper said:

If that happens you know very well how selfish cricketer will be put in jail for shamelessly losing AC to some minnow team for personal milestone..

You have criticize dhoni as well for loosing 2011 English tour, 2012 vs England at home. 

[Texan]

I would rest Shami and Ashwin even if they are fit. 

 

Ideally, this would be my team:

 

Rohit (capt)

Pant (wk)

Kohli

Dhoni

Pandey

Kedar

Pandya

Axar

Mishra

Bhuvi

Bumrah

 

==

 

Reserves:

Rahul

Hooda

Jayant

Nathu or any other pacer doing well in domestics preferably a left armer. Sran seems to be injured. 

 

[Mosher]

13 minutes ago, Texan said:

I would rest Shami and Ashwin even if they are fit. 

 

Ideally, this would be my team:

 

Rohit (capt)

Pant (wk)

Kohli

Dhoni

Pandey

Kedar

Pandya

Axar

Mishra

Bhuvi

Bumrah

 

==

 

Reserves:

Rahul

Hooda

Jayant

Nathu or any other pacer doing well in domestics preferably a left armer. Sran seems to be injured. 

 

Shami is injured and won't be playing the ODI and T20 series.

[rkt.india]

13 hours ago, Texan said:

I would rest Shami and Ashwin even if they are fit. 

 

Ideally, this would be my team:

 

Rohit (capt)

Pant (wk)

Kohli

Dhoni

Pandey

Kedar

Pandya

Axar

Mishra

Bhuvi

Bumrah

 

==

 

Reserves:

Rahul

Hooda

Jayant

Nathu or any other pacer doing well in domestics preferably a left armer. Sran seems to be injured. 

 

Rohit is not fit, underwent surgery on his thigh muscle. Pandya is also injured, had a hairline fracture in his shoulder. Rahul averages 196 in ODI cricket as of now and he is a must in ODI side. I would play him in the middle order at 4 or 5 as we do not have many good options there. He is someone who can hit the ball long. Dhawan will be back and can ope with Pant .

Edited December 24, 2016 by rkt.india

[MCcricket]

What is obvious is the sore point, Dhoni sticking out as a past it quota player, is he good enough to even be in the ODi side leave alone captain it.

A decade earlier his name might be written first but now just based on his current performance n failures as Capt n player he doesn't deserve a spot.

[GautiMaan]

59 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Rohit is not fit, underwent surgery on his thigh muscle. Pandya is also injured, had a hairline fracture in his shoulder. Rahul averages 196 in ODI cricket as of now and he is a must in ODI side. I would play him in the middle order at 4 or 5 as we do not have many good options there. He is someone who can hit the ball long. Dhawan will be back and can ope with Pant .

Rohit played a lot of matches in the middle order and was a spectacular failure there and he himself has said that he prefers opening so little chance that they will play him back there,maybe Dhawan should play in the middle order

[rkt.india]

20 minutes ago, GautiMaan said:

Rohit played a lot of matches in the middle order and was a spectacular failure there and he himself has said that he prefers opening so little chance that they will play him back there,maybe Dhawan should play in the middle order

I am talking about Rahul in middle order, not Rohit.

[Cricketics]

2 hours ago, MCcricket said:

What is obvious is the sore point, Dhoni sticking out as a past it quota player, is he good enough to even be in the ODi side leave alone captain it.

A decade earlier his name might be written first but now just based on his current performance n failures as Capt n player he doesn't deserve a spot.

Dhoni along with Kohli are actually the only two Indian players in ODI who are sure shot selection for an ODI tournament because of their consistency over the years in ODI cricket. Even recently, they have been pretty good. If you just think about picking the squad, you won't find any player who is not fighting for his spot in ODI, be it Rahul, Pandey, Rohit Sharma, Raina, Pant, Rahane to name few.

 

All these guys have done something to deserve their chance or had done earlier to get their chance, but it is only Dhoni and Kohli who have been consistent and would walk into any ODI team in the world who can play the role of both anchoring the team's total or playing as a finisher.

 

Dhoni is a must in Indian ODI team. Don't mix Dhoni the captain with Dhoni the player. He is a gun batsman, a clutch player.

[rkt.india]

30 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Dhoni along with Kohli are actually the only two Indian players in ODI who are sure shot selection for an ODI tournament because of their consistency over the years in ODI cricket. Even recently, they have been pretty good. If you just think about picking the squad, you won't find any player who is not fighting for his spot in ODI, be it Rahul, Pandey, Rohit Sharma, Raina, Pant, Rahane to name few.

 

All these guys have done something to deserve their chance of had done earlier to get their chance, but it is only Dhoni and Kohli who have been consistent and would walk into any ODI team in the world who can play the role of both anchoring the team's total or playing as a finisher.

 

Dhoni is a must in Indian ODI team. Don't mix Dhoni the captain with Dhoni the player. He is a gun batsman, a clutch player.

Rahul is not fighting for his spot at all, neither Rohit Sharma. Rahul averages 196 in ODIs as of now. Rahul didn't play last ODI series against NZ because he was injured. Even Dhawan is very much a sure shot one he is fit.

 

actually

Rohit

Dhawan

Kohli

Rahul

Dhoni

 

These top 5 are very much sure shot for now if they are fit. Fight is only for #6 and 7.

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Rahul is not fighting for his spot at all, neither Rohit Sharma. Rahul averages 196 in ODIs as of now. Rahul didn't play last ODI series against NZ because he was injured. Even Dhawan is very much a sure shot one he is fit.

 

actually

Rohit

Dhawan

Kohli

Rahul

Dhoni

 

These top 5 are very much sure shot for now if they are fit. Fight is only for #6 and 7.

 

Yes...but problems with this top 5  are that both Rohit and Dhawan are slow starters and Dhoni himself says he is not comfortable at No.5 and does not have the slogging ability any more.

[Cricketics]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Rahul is not fighting for his spot at all, neither Rohit Sharma. Rahul averages 196 in ODIs as of now. Rahul didn't play last ODI series against NZ because he was injured. Even Dhawan is very much a sure shot one he is fit.

 

actually

Rohit

Dhawan

Kohli

Rahul

Dhoni

 

These top 5 are very much sure shot for now if they are fit. Fight is only for #6 and 7.

That 196 humongous average just shows that he hasn't played enough games to say that he has cemented his place.

Should he play next game if fit? Yes, surely but he is yet to prove his place.

Rohit and Dhawan, yes, but if Rahul is played as an opener by Kohli and it works as an opener, then Rohit will have to earn his spot again, that is if Dhawan is also playing well.

[rkt.india]

2 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

That 196 humongous average just shows that he hasn't played enough games to say that he has cemented his place.

Should he play next game if fit? Yes, surely but he is yet to prove his place.

Rohit and Dhawan, yes, but if Rahul is played as an opener by Kohli and it works as an opener, then Rohit will have to earn his spot again, that is if Dhawan is also playing well.

Rahul wont play as an opener. Even in T20s in WI, he played in middle order and in 3 ODIs he played in middle order too. Even for RCB, Kohli played him in middle order. Also, ODI captain is Dhoni, not Kohli. IMO, I dont think anyone would replace Rohit with Rahul as Rohit is averaging 46 in last 4 years playing 81 matches as an opener with 8 hundreds and 18 fifties. He can only be replaced if he goes through a very bad phase with the bat.

[rkt.india]

8 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Yes...but problems with this top 5  are that both Rohit and Dhawan are slow starters and Dhoni himself says he is not comfortable at No.5 and does not have the slogging ability any more.

But Dhoni can bat at 4 and Rahul at 5. Rahul has developed his hitting ability really well. For big hitting, we need some one at 6-7. Also, Dhoni is not comfortable hitting straight away but once he stays at the crease for sometime, he still can hit big shots.

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

But Dhoni can bat at 4 and Rahul at 5. Rahul has developed his hitting ability really well. For big hitting, we need some one at 6-7. Also, Dhoni is not comfortable hitting straight away but once he stays at the crease for sometime, he still can hit big shots.

Rahul can bat at no.5, he has the big-hitting game unlike say a Pandey,  but  I  am not too keen on playing a good quality test opener at that position.  He will have to come in and start improvising and slogging too early in his innings. This may lead to him developing bad habits for test matches.  He is prone to that.

Rahul opening the innings, Dhoni at No.4 and Pant at no. 5 or No. 6 would take care of this issue.

Edited December 24, 2016 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Rahul can bat at no.5, he has the big-hitting game unlike say a Pandey,  but  I  am not too keen on playing a good quality test opener at that position.  He will have to come in and start improvising and slogging too early in his innings. This may lead to him developing bad habits for test matches.  He is prone to that.

Rahul opening the innings, Dhoni at No.4 and Pant at no. 5 or No. 6 would take care of this issue.

but there is no way, they are going to drop one of Dhawan or Rohit who have been match winners too.