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Has IPL hurt Indian Cricket?

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All of our major away test series wins came before the inauguration of this tournament (except the NZ one but that was in 2009 when it was in infancy).

It's like players don't even want to apply themselves. I have never seen such an absolute debacle by Indian batsmen before. All of them seem mentally exhausted and tired.

Our best spinner is a liability outside Asia and while the pacers have shown promise, it's too early to predict anything.

IMO IPL has done an irreparable damage to Indian cricket where players are content with earning millions playing for their franchise. You see Pant a promising youngster and how he decides to slog everything that come his way as if it's a 25 over tennis ball pratiyogita. We have Hardik Pandya, a one trick poney who is more worried about uploading his next Instagram picture rather than concentrating on the game. KL Rahul was hailed as the next great and look where he is now languishing at the bottom, his mind more on sleeping with a next Bollywood girl rather than improving skills with bat.

IPL has destroyed Indian cricket and it's only a matter of time when we start losing the home dominance too.

 

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2 minutes ago, anoop S said:

No. Vijay isnt playing IPL now days still not good. Cheteshwar pujara isnt an IPL material still flopped.

Pujara has been our 2nd best batsmen in the series though 

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It has... fundamentals of young players like pant and rahul have been so bad..

 

Rahul at least started as test bat..

 

Ipl is like killing the golden goose - cricket in india.

 

2 months of tamasha.. the other events will pale down in comparison..

 

Which means other sports can have airtime.. cricket monopoly to end in india.

 

The moment it loses importance here and in Sena, expect a death spiral.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, zen said:

Pujara has been our 2nd best batsmen in the series though 

Pujara still is a flop overseas batsman so i will still say IPL has nothing to do with this debacle.

Infact butler's performance has improved in test after IPL 2018 (though i will again say nothing to do with IPL)

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hate the waste IPL like any thing. But i don't think that is the reason. BCCI with all its resources can still produce those  highly talented players  required for the  current situation.It has to do with utter crap selection policy. Even if they find that a batsman is a failure after  first 2 assignments in SENA, they keep on providing the players umpteen chances.That needs to change.

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49 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

Lol Bumrah kahan se mila?

Ha sahi hai. I mean imagine the situation Bumrah would have found himself in if not for IPL. I mean it's not like we have domestic competitions such as Ranji, Deodhar etc to judge players.

Sahi raha IPL tha warna Bumrah who's from jhuggi jhopadis of Dharavi could have never even imagined to play for India.

Jai ho!

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80 odd runs scored more across two test matches would have mean India won the test series today at 3-1.

 

So its down to selection in test series - Edgebaston and Southampton should have been won 9 times out of 10 - it was pathetic to loose those games - poor selection is the reason.

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Ipl produced good assets for India in shorter formats like Rahul, chahal, kuldeep, bumrah, hardik, etc. But the problem is with longer format where these guys do not have patient and always being aggressive. India miss real test materials like dravid, vvs, kumble, etc. That era never comes. 

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6 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

Ha sahi hai. I mean imagine the situation Bumrah would have found himself in if not for IPL. I mean it's not like we have domestic competitions such as Ranji, Deodhar etc to judge players.

Sahi raha IPL tha warna Bumrah who's from jhuggi jhopadis of Dharavi could have never even imagined to play for India.

Jai ho!

What about Hardik Pandya Stradler bhai :giggle:

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Nope. I don't like the IPL either but it's not the reason for inept team selections. It's not the reason for inept batting. It's not the reason for kohlis toss luck. Let's stop blaming the IPL for everything. What you can blame the IPL is why our LOI middle order continues to be pathetic. 

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If anytHing, IPL exposed Kohlis leadership.
i know [mention=14716]velu[/mention] is allways in jolly mood but somtime CSK fans are right. Kohli can give 100 time middle finger salute to them, but that wont change hard fact that Kohli hasnt won IPL despite leading a team of Superstars of t20
There must be some undertable dealings regarding the trophy

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48 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

Ha sahi hai. I mean imagine the situation Bumrah would have found himself in if not for IPL. I mean it's not like we have domestic competitions such as Ranji, Deodhar etc to judge players.

Sahi raha IPL tha warna Bumrah who's from jhuggi jhopadis of Dharavi could have never even imagined to play for India.

Jai ho!

Bumrah was from struggling family.Before IPL familes use discourage their sons to join cricket .Now they believe that atleast IPL khel ke to paise bana lega.

 

Have you seen how after IPL speed of indian bowlers increased.Where were they in 80s or 90s 

 

Also not to forget domestic structure has lot of corruption , bhai bhatijawaad which many times is the reason the emerging talent is not picked.IPL give chances to so many youngsters to show their talent against world class players

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Bumrah was from struggling family.Before IPL familes use discourage their sons to join cricket .Now they believe that atleast IPL khel ke to paise bana lega.
 
Have you seen how after IPL speed of indian bowlers increased.Where were they in 80s or 90s 
 
Also not to forget domestic structure has lot of corruption , bhai bhatijawaad which many times is the reason the emerging talent is not picked.IPL give chances to so many youngsters to show their talent against world class players


Bumrah's parents are rich enough

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11 minutes ago, mishra said:

If anytHing, IPL exposed Kohlis leadership.

i know @velu is allways in jolly mood but somtime CSK fans are right. Kohli can give 100 time middle finger salute to them, but that wont change hard fact that Kohli hasnt won IPL despite leading a team of Superstars of t20

 

when i said kohli is a crap captain , i actually meant it ..

its not a rocket science to figure out .. even though format is different his lack of captaincy skills were clearly visible in IPL

 

imho rahane was really impressive , and when comes to LoIs rohit sharma is miles better than kohli ..

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1 minute ago, Singh bling said:

Bumrah was from struggling family.Before IPL familes use discourage their sons to join cricket .Now they believe that atleast IPL khel ke to paise bana lega.

 

Have you seen how after IPL speed of indian bowlers increased.Where were they in 80s or 90s 

 

Also not to forget domestic structure has lot of corruption , bhai bhatijawaad which many times is the reason the emerging talent is not picked.IPL give chances to so many youngsters to show their talent against world class players

Absolute bollocks.

We are talking of 2008 and not mid 70s when nepotism used to be rife and outside of major cities such as Bombay, Delhi, Calcutta, it was extremely difficult for a player from a humble background to make in the team.

Bumrah actually is from a decent Family. Otoh guys like Irfan Pathan, Zaheer Khan, Harbhajan Singh, Virendra Sehwag, MS Dhoni all came from middle/lower middle class background. You are making it sound as if pre IPL, Indian cricket was plagued with discrimination and partisanship. Infact 2000 to 2008 was our best period in the entire cricketing history and those who contributed most in that success all had humble origins.

And lol what has IPL to do with bowling speeds? Our infrastructure and resources have grown tremendously in last decade leading to establishment of more academies which are responsible for growth of fast bowling culture.

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Nope. I don't like the IPL either but it's not the reason for inept team selections. It's not the reason for inept batting. It's not the reason for kohlis toss luck. Let's stop blaming the IPL for everything. What you can blame the IPL is why our LOI middle order continues to be pathetic. 
IPL has changed the attitude of players. Before IPL, players used to give their 100 % dedication given a chance to play for national side. Becuase they knew there are no alternatives and a failure can lead to rags of Ranji trophy. Now players have a richer option in IPL where they can earn millions by doing some tullaybaaji for 1.5 months. Why would they bother to slog for 5 days. Ravi Shastri can say all he wants that all players are serious about test cricket but in reality they aren't.

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4 minutes ago, velu said:

 

when i said kohli is a crap captain , i actually meant it ..

its not a rocket science to figure out .. even though format is different his lack of captaincy skills were clearly visible in IPL

 

imho rahane was really impressive , and when comes to LoIs rohit sharma is miles better than kohli ..

Anyone who speaks against Kohli generally does so after some very serious thought. Guy is a Super Super bat and ATG in making.  Forget speaking against, A India fan will be worshipping him.Worshipping comes naturally to Indians.  

 

Back to IPL, It should be made mandatory to share certain percentage of revenue as bonus to test specialists. I am sure it wont be more than 0.01% to make test cricketer interested in doing well

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5 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

IPL has changed the attitude of players. Before IPL, players used to give their 100 % dedication given a chance to play for national side. Becuase they knew there are no alternatives and a failure can lead to rags of Ranji trophy. Now players have a richer option in IPL where they can earn millions by doing some tullaybaaji for 1.5 months. Why would they bother to slog for 5 days. Ravi Shastri can say all he wants that all players are serious about test cricket but in reality they aren't.

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How much IPL Shshtri play. Quality players can adjust. Look ar Kohli Stokes. Root/Jenning doesnt play IPL, but kept failing

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10 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

Absolute bollocks.

We are talking of 2008 and not mid 70s when nepotism used to be rife and outside of major cities such as Bombay, Delhi, Calcutta, it was extremely difficult for a player from a humble background to make in the team.

Bumrah actually is from a decent Family. Otoh guys like Irfan Pathan, Zaheer Khan, Harbhajan Singh, Virendra Sehwag, MS Dhoni all came from middle/lower middle class background. You are making it sound as if pre IPL, Indian cricket was plagued with discrimination and partisanship. Infact 2000 to 2008 was our best period in the entire cricketing history and those who contributed most in that success all had humble origins.

And lol what has IPL to do with bowling speeds? Our infrastructure and resources have grown tremendously in last decade leading to establishment of more academies which are responsible for growth of fast bowling culture.

 My mate coached Bumrah 3 mornings every week upto age 19 at Ahmedabad elite young cricketers and yes you are correct he  comes from a decent family. 

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14 minutes ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:


 

 


Bumrah's parents are rich enough

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Bumrah don't have father.His single mother raised him.he was from rich family but in 2001 his father died.their entire business went in terrible loss

His mother had terrible dispute with his father in law.You will read the story of Bumrah's grandfather driving auto.Last year he went to meet Bumrah but his mother refused.Already old and broken He committed suicide by jumping in river in Gujarat

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Bumrah don't have father.His single mother raised him.he was from rich family but in 2001 his father died.their entire business went in terrible loss
His mother had terrible dispute with his father in law.You will read the story of Bumrah's grandfather driving auto.Last year he went to meet Bumrah but his mother refused.Already old and broken He committed suicide by jumping in river in Gujarat
News report?

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7 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

 My mate coached Bumrah 3 mornings every week upto age 19 at Ahmedabad elite young cricketers and yes you are correct he  comes from a decent family. 

I don't know rich people in india drive auto

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/jasprit-bumrah-grandfather-santokh-singh-auto-1022619-2017-07-05

 

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2 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

Ooooh, so a decent person or family is a rich family

His mother was teacher and later became principal.We all know that what is salary of teacher  in India.Moreover family had terrible fight so its not a decent life.He was not from slums but definitely not from well to do

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Just now, Singh bling said:

His mother was teacher and later became principal.We all know that what is salary of teacher  in India.Moreover family had terrible fight so its not a decent life.He was not from slums but definitely not from well to do

The examples I gave above all had families relatively less well off compared to Bumrah and yet they thrived and succeeded in the pre IPL culture when in fact as per your logic they shouldn't even have made it to the team due to the high prevalence of Bhai bhatijawad in the system.

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Just now, Singh bling said:

His mother was teacher and later became principal.We all know that what is salary of teacher  in India.Moreover family had terrible fight so its not a decent life.He was not from slums but definitely not from well to do

I didn't reply to your comment , I rep!ied to Stradlater who said DECENT family.

Now you may still think decent means have money but many others don't You might think to  be a teacher and then a principle in India is a low level job because of salary in India but in most other countries that is a highly respected job. 

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