vvvslaxman Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Just now, sandeep said: Umesh has a strong case. Bit of risk due to his lack of bowling nous, and occasional tendency to leak runs, but he has shown a lot of improvement over the last few years. The fact that the team announced 13 instead of 12, with Umesh in it, tells me that they are not confident of Bhuvi's fitness and rhythm. As much as I love Bhuvi, if he isn't 100% fit and in rhythm, then he rides the bench. I don't really think this Australian team with defensive mindset are going to attack Umesh. They should bombard them with pace. Adi BB 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Vihari, how does he bowl, is any good?? Can he be compared with Sehwag??? If answer is yes then I would go with Bhuvi otherwise Jadeja is not a bad option. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 54 minutes ago, sandeep said: If Pant was a more reliable batsman, we would feel more confident playing 5+5. Is there a case to be made for Party Patel? Guy has always been quite reliable with the bat, and is proven against pace and bounce. Plays spin like a boss as well. Don't think party Patel will score more than 20-30 Link to comment
sandeep Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Don't think party Patel will score more than 20-30 If he scores 30 odd at the top of the order, that's an upgrade on Vijay already. Not to mention allowing us to play the 6th batsman and 5th bowler. Its academic anyway since they announced the 13 and he's not in it. Link to comment
mishra Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Modern day test matches have changed. Pitches are prepared to get all 40 wickets. So batting consolidation is more important. I will Vihari and Jadeja both on basis that Jaddu is better bat than Bhuvi Link to comment
Forever Indian Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 38 minutes ago, putrevus said: Vihari, how does he bowl, is any good?? Can he be compared with Sehwag??? If answer is yes then I would go with Bhuvi otherwise Jadeja is not a bad option. Can't really say as of now, but got 3 wickets in the 2nd innings of last test in England. Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 On a green pitch Jadeja won’t be that much more effective than a part timer like Vihari. However usually on a green mamba 4 bowlers are enough. So 4 fastbowlers+Vihari Adi BB 1 Link to comment
The Dark Horse Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Jadeja is useless with his batting..that tilts it towards Bhuvi. beetle 1 Link to comment
Forever Indian Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 3 hours ago, sandeep said: Its not a Dukes ball. They are likely to shave off most of the grass before the toss. Its a tough call. Could go either way. Bhuvi was very effective in SA where they use same Kookabura if I am not wrong. Even if you shave most grass at last minute, moisture and softness of surface will remain from the grass for atleast couple of days. Bhuvi IMO must on this surface. beetle 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Forever Indian said: Bhuvi was very effective in SA where they use same Kookabura if I am not wrong. Even if you shave most grass at last minute, moisture and softness of surface will remain from the grass for atleast couple of days. Bhuvi IMO must on this surface. I love Bhuvi and would be very happy to see him in the team. Forever Indian and beetle 2 Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Jadeja on a green pitch will be useless with the bat and darts won’t have any impact. Bhuvi on these pitches is leagues ahead of Jadeja the bowler and has shown better temperament and defensive technique with the bat. Vihari is a part timer and a decent part timer won’t do that much worse than most full time spinners on these pitches. Vihari seems a decent bowler. Well with the bat he is still a rookie so will be a good test in that regards as well. Pretty much a no brainer. I don’t see why Jadeja is even in the scheme of things. Adi BB and Switchblade 1 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: Jadeja on a green pitch will be useless with the bat and darts won’t have any impact. Bhuvi on these pitches is leagues ahead of Jadeja the bowler and has shown better temperament and defensive technique with the bat. Vihari is a part timer and a decent part timer won’t do that much worse than most full time spinners on these pitches. Vihari seems a decent bowler. Well with the bat he is still a rookie so will be a good test in that regards as well. Pretty much a no brainer. I don’t see why Jadeja is even in the scheme of things. Because he offers control on one end. And can make the rest of the bowlers more effective by keeping them rested. 4 quicks and a part-timer is a bit of a gamble... Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Just now, sandeep said: Because he offers control on one end. And can make the rest of the bowlers more effective by keeping them rested. 4 quicks and a part-timer is a bit of a gamble... If your fast bowlers need a lot of rest on a green mamba means your fast bowlers have sucked anyways. It is like playing a 3rd seamer on a dust bowl. A part timer is good enough to get a few in for rotation. That too as a bonus. 4 fast bowlers should get the job done. Link to comment
sandeep Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: If your fast bowlers need a lot of rest on a green mamba means your fast bowlers have sucked anyways. It is like playing a 3rd seamer on a dust bowl. A part timer is good enough to get a few in for rotation. That too as a bonus. 4 fast bowlers should get the job done. How many overs do you think we'll bowl out Aus in? If the bowlers have to bowl more than 170 overs in 4 days, that's a LOT of overs for 4 bowlers to deliver. Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 minute ago, sandeep said: How many overs do you think we'll bowl out Aus in? If the bowlers have to bowl more than 170 overs in 4 days, that's a LOT of overs for 4 bowlers to deliver. We just won a game on a much more even surface with 4 bowlers. Sure a 5th bowler was missed at times but it wasn’t like we were a bowler short at best part-timer would have given us 10-15 overs max across 2 innings. Vihari is playing as batsman who can bowl. He can give those 10-15 overs. More importantly his day job is as a full time batsman. Jadeja is needed on pitches where he is expected to bowl marathon spells. If your spinner is bowling 25-30 overs per day on a green mamba and holding one end up, you have bigger problems. Adi BB, rkt.india and manu4411 3 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: We just won a game on a much more even surface with 4 bowlers. Sure a 5th bowler was missed at times but it wasn’t like we were a bowler short at best part-timer would have given us 10-15 overs max across 2 innings. Vihari is playing as batsman who can bowl. He can give those 10-15 overs. More importantly his day job is as a full time batsman. Jadeja is needed on pitches where he is expected to bowl marathon spells. If your spinner is bowling 25-30 overs per day on a green mamba and holding one end up, you have bigger problems. what guarantee is there that Vihari is going to be a better batsman than Jadeja in AUS conditions? That being the case what is the harm in prefering Jadeja over Vihari for the 6th postion? sandeep 1 Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Just now, rtmohanlal said: what guarantee is there that Vihari is going to be a better batsman than Jadeja in AUS conditions? That being the case what is the harm in prefering Jadeja over Vihari for the 6th postion? There is no guarantee. However that is regressive thinking. If you are going with the assumption that a guy who is a specialist bat is going to be worse than your bowling-allrounder. The need is a batsman who can bowl a bit and since Vihari is the guy who fits the mould he should play. Bhuvi or even Umesh might score more than Vijay and Rahul Given their current form, you want them to open instead? Link to comment
ShebbySB Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Vihari at 6 and BK in place of Ashwin.India should go with 4 quicks. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: There is no guarantee. However that is regressive thinking. If you are going with the assumption that a guy who is a specialist bat is going to be worse than your bowling-allrounder. The need is a batsman who can bowl a bit and since Vihari is the guy who fits the mould he should play. Bhuvi or even Umesh might score more than Vijay and Rahul Given their current form, you want them to open instead? what does Jadeja lacks when compared to Vihari as a specialist batsman? Jadeja too has 56+ avg: in domestic. Jadeja has 3 300+ scores. Jadeja plays in the top 6 for his ranji side. He has taken on quality oppostion players like Kumble, Kohli,Rahane,Laxman,Gambhir etc etc when he played in ranji trophy, duleep trophy etc etc. He avg:s 50+ in test itself for the last 2 years or so.He has played some crucial knocks during this time period, which other wise would even have resulted in IND losing home series ,he performed brilliantly with the bat in what ever few oppertunities with the bat even abroad thus proving his mental toughness. To add to that he is a left hander.So I am curious to know as to why you prefer Vihari over Jadeja... sandeep 1 Link to comment
Adi BB Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Bhuvi at 8 and vihari at 6.no need for a useless spinner especially on a greentop . I actually want umesh to play over bhuvi,its the perfect pitch for his short pitch bowling but then bhuvi will get the nod for his batting Link to comment
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