India cap is not cheap- players like Dube devalue it

[sandeep]

9 minutes ago, Khota said:

Shankar had no tangible international experience. He did not deserve it.

Shankar was seen as a Kedar Jadhav type guy, and a horses for course pick.  Thinking that a dibbly dobbly madan lal type bowler in England would prove handy if the weather changes - Selectors did not do proper due diligience. This is not 1983, and England ODI wickets for the last 5 years had become 350 par slug fests for the most part.  

[sandeep]

9 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Virat at 4 will also not work.....hasnt worked for India n RCB in t20. Virat needs time and he has been best player in last 3 t20 Wc so why change what working.

I only would consider Virat at #4 in ODIs, not in T20s.  In ODIs, the only reason I want Virat at #4, is because I want India to go to a 3 "opener" strategy.  And attack the power play up front.  I don't want to risk Virat's wicket at #3 if we lose one early.  I want Virat to bat in ODIs from 15 to 45 overs, or longer.  I dont' want to risk him in the 1st 10 or 12 overs, nor do I want India to go conservative at the fall of the 1st wicket in ODIs.  Or be conservative even without losing a wicket.  That's why Pant or KLPD at the top, to go after the bowling.  

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Shankar was seen as a Kedar Jadhav type guy, and a horses for course pick.  Thinking that a dibbly dobbly madan lal type bowler in England would prove handy if the weather changes - Selectors did not do proper due diligience. This is not 1983, and England ODI wickets for the last 5 years had become 350 par slug fests for the most part.  

also he was seen as no.4 option after he played solidity against Nz n Aus and yes his bowling wud have been bonus in england. 

He was to start at 4 but he got injured before warmup game n Rahul made a 100 in warmup game .....so rahul took that place

[Khota]

12 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Shankar was seen as a Kedar Jadhav type guy, and a horses for course pick.  Thinking that a dibbly dobbly madan lal type bowler in England would prove handy if the weather changes - Selectors did not do proper due diligience. This is not 1983, and England ODI wickets for the last 5 years had become 350 par slug fests for the most part.  

When Madan Lal was bowling for India that was the best pace option India had.

[Khota]

14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

ghanta

ball was jagging around..... rayudu was never a good player of fast bowling. Twice he went to aus n was a fish out of water, in IPL jason beherndoff made him dance . 

 

Shankar neways didnt play Semi final it was DK who played n failed and DK had far better technique then Rayudu . Rayudu was woefully out of form that year. Only chance rayudu wud have done well was if opp was SL or BANG coz their fast bowlers werent as testing and their spinners were something that rayudu enjoyed

raydu couls put runs on board. Others clearly cannot.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Khota said:

raydu couls put runs on board. Others clearly cannot.

Could to anyone can......jadeja put runs on board on that day when it was least expected of him when all specialist failed

Hardik scored in CT final when he was least expected

 

Aise to koi bhi chal sakta hai, ifs n but .....

 

If better batsman then rayudu cudnt then even rayudu wudnt have when specially it was against fast bowling his weak area....had it been spin i still wud have said may be 

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, Khota said:

When Madan Lal was bowling for India that was the best pace option India had.

at that point even shankar with his perfomances against NZ n AUS was looking best option, n his bowling did come in handy against pak in Wc game when bhuvi game injured

Neways for just 2 failures its unfair to criticize anyone. 

 

Shankar looked far comfortable against pace bowling and rayudu never did in his whole career, Wc was in england

Edited November 3, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[maniac]

25 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

ghanta

ball was jagging around..... rayudu was never a good player of fast bowling. Twice he went to aus n was a fish out of water, in IPL jason beherndoff made him dance . 

 

Shankar neways didnt play Semi final it was DK who played n failed and DK had far better technique then Rayudu . Rayudu was woefully out of form that year. Only chance rayudu wud have done well was if opp was SL or BANG coz their fast bowlers werent as testing and their spinners were something that rayudu enjoyed

Just a couple of months ago from semis he was the man of the match in a similar situation against the same opposition in a same type  if not more difficult conditions? Itna jaldi bhool gaye?

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, maniac said:

Just a couple of months ago from semis he was the man of the match in a similar situation against the same opposition in a same type  if not more difficult conditions? Itna jaldi bhool gaye?

Which didnt have lockie who had pace n bounce rayudu biggest problem. He looked uncomfortable in that phase until lesser bowler came n nz was playing with one less bowler. Yes semi was more diff situation add pressure to it.  Even if u ignore all that n say good xample that was just one innings he had tons of poor xamples in such conditon even better conditions. Same rayudu struggled against much less beherndoff in ipl on indian pitches after a month. A month prior he struggled in aus....too many poor samples

 

So if he gave one good xample then he gave 15 poor tomm. Shankar played a similar knock against aus in next series rayudu cudnt repeat nz innings 

 

Rayudu poor fielding also went against him

 

Edited November 3, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[maniac]

14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Which didnt have lockie who had pace n bounce rayudu biggest problem. He looked uncomfortable in that phase until lesser bowler came n nz was playing with one less bowler. Yes semi was more diff situation add pressure to it.  Even if u ignore all that n say good xample that was just one innings he had tons of poor xamples in such conditon even better conditions. Same rayudu struggled against much less beherndoff in ipl on indian pitches after a month. A month prior he struggled in aus....too many poor samples

 

So if he gave one good xample then he gave 15 poor tomm. Shankar played a similar knock against aus in next series rayudu cudnt repeat nz innings 

 

Rayudu poor fielding also went against him

 

That is called % cricket which most batsmen with acumen do. It is stupidity to try and hit someone like Starc for 30 run overs and prove you have the balls.

 

Same wc someone like Russell tried to hit Starc For back to back 6’s and his team lost from a winnable situation.
 

Anyway when has  this thread become about Rayudu.

 

its about bits and pieces cricketers 

Edited November 3, 2019 by maniac

[sandeep]

36 minutes ago, Khota said:

When Madan Lal was bowling for India that was the best pace option India had.

And Mohinder Amarnath was MVP of that WC.  I'm not saying I agreed with selectors' logic - I'm just pointing it out.  It was really out of date relative to ODI conditions in England in the 2015-2019 timeframe.

[maniac]

5 minutes ago, sandeep said:

And Mohinder Amarnath was MVP of that WC.  I'm not saying I agreed with selectors' logic - I'm just pointing it out.  It was really out of date relative to ODI conditions in England in the 2015-2019 timeframe.

Just to put it into context, Jimmy Amarnath was one of the finest batsmen produced by India. It so happened that he could roll his arm over. No one picked him as a specialist allrounder.

 

That is no different from Sachin helping us to win hero cup with the ball or contributing in the eden garden test or Sehwag the bowler in Perth 2008.

 

The problem is with picking “specialist allrounders” aka bits and pieces.

 

Arent you glad the ignore button doesn’t work, you get to learn things about the history, essence and the logic behind the great game of cricket :)

[Khota]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

ghanta

ball was jagging around..... rayudu was never a good player of fast bowling. Twice he went to aus n was a fish out of water, in IPL jason beherndoff made him dance . 

 

Shankar neways didnt play Semi final it was DK who played n failed and DK had far better technique then Rayudu . Rayudu was woefully out of form that year. Only chance rayudu wud have done well was if opp was SL or BANG coz their fast bowlers werent as testing and their spinners were something that rayudu enjoyed

raydu was better than the crap they had. Ball moving around affects others more than Raydu. Shankar was a disaster.

[Khota]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

at that point even shankar with his perfomances against NZ n AUS was looking best option, n his bowling did come in handy against pak in Wc game when bhuvi game injured

Neways for just 2 failures its unfair to criticize anyone. 

 

Shankar looked far comfortable against pace bowling and rayudu never did in his whole career, Wc was in england

I will be surprised if Shankar does not improve substantially he would ever see the field for India.

[jf1gp_1]

8 hours ago, maniac said:

If you are telling me there is no better bat than Dube in domestics that is a scary thought.

 

As far as him rolling his arm over for 135+ for a couple of overs, that is no big deal.

 

Who would be easier to face, A Dinda bowling at 140 or Anderson bowling at 132-135 or even a Philander

Issue is avg with SR. Can't play Pujara or Rahane in t20

[SK_IH]

I think Dube deserves a go, infact 4-5 matches at least. 

[express bowling]

Dube is one of those few lower-middle order power hitters who have good FC averages.  He has been very consistent with the bat in FC.

 

Just for this reason, he is someone who needs to be invested in.

 

A successful FC batsman means there is a hunger for runs ... and that is often rare among lower-middle order big hitters.

Edited November 4, 2019 by express bowling

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Lol @maniac ignoring all comments about Dube's performances in Vijay Hazare Trophy and for India 'A'.

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 hours ago, Khota said:

raydu was better than the crap they had. Ball moving around affects others more than Raydu. Shankar was a disaster.

what disastor - DK?? he played n failed in Semi 

Shankar didnt play Semi 

 

No Rayudu is the worse against fast bowling....simply the worst proven time n again, how do u think he lost his place . 

Edited November 4, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[Pollack]

Look for t20s we desperately need some good striker of the ball from the get go. We don't really find it hard to find batsmen like Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli who cannot or will not go from ball one. 

Dube has a good domestic performance and he deservedly gets a chance. One game proves nothing. Should get more games and even if he fails doesn't mean he did not deserve to be in Indian team.