zen Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 3 equally matched bowlers with overlapping careers, Imran 1971-1990 Walsh 1984-2001 Wasim 1985-2001 Below stats vs. similar teams: Quote Imran Overall Records type bowling analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or West Indies Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 unfiltered 1971-1992 88 142 19458 8258 362 8/58 14/116 22.81 2.54 53.7 23 6 Profile filtered 1971-1990 78 128 17670 7585 316 8/60 12/165 24.00 2.57 55.9 20 5 Away Records type bowling analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or West Indies Home or away away (home of opposition) Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 unfiltered 1971-1992 88 142 19458 8258 362 8/58 14/116 22.81 2.54 53.7 23 6 Profile filtered 1971-1990 47 77 11089 4857 184 7/40 12/165 26.39 2.62 60.2 13 3 Home Records type bowling analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or West Indies Home or away home venue Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 unfiltered 1971-1992 88 142 19458 8258 362 8/58 14/116 22.81 2.54 53.7 23 6 Profile filtered 1976-1990 31 51 6581 2728 132 8/60 11/79 20.66 2.48 49.8 7 2 Walsh Overall Records type bowling analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 unfiltered 1984-2001 132 242 5003.1 1144 12688 519 7/37 13/55 24.44 2.53 57.8 22 3 Profile filtered 1984-2001 127 232 4825.3 1100 12276 502 7/37 13/55 24.45 2.54 57.6 22 3 Away Records type bowling analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa Home or away away (home of opposition) Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 unfiltered 1984-2001 132 242 5003.1 1144 12688 519 7/37 13/55 24.44 2.53 57.8 22 3 Home Records type bowling analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa Home or away home venue Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 unfiltered 1984-2001 132 242 5003.1 1144 12688 519 7/37 13/55 24.44 2.53 57.8 22 3 Profile filtered 1985-2001 54 97 2102.3 486 5076 213 6/54 10/101 23.83 2.41 59.2 8 1 Wasim Overall Records type bowling analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or South Africa or West Indies Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 unfiltered 1985-2002 104 181 3771.1 871 9779 414 7/119 11/110 23.62 2.59 54.6 25 5 Profile filtered 1985-2001 73 128 2803.4 618 7388 304 7/119 11/110 24.30 2.63 55.3 18 4 Away Records type bowling analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or South Africa or West Indies Home or away away (home of opposition) or neutral venue Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 unfiltered 1985-2002 104 181 3771.1 871 9779 414 7/119 11/110 23.62 2.59 54.6 25 5 Profile filtered 1985-2001 49 86 1981.0 441 5210 208 7/119 11/110 25.04 2.62 57.1 14 4 Home Records type bowling analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or South Africa or West Indies Home or away home venue Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 unfiltered 1985-2002 104 181 3771.1 871 9779 414 7/119 11/110 23.62 2.59 54.6 25 5 Profile filtered 1986-2000 24 42 822.4 177 2178 96 6/91 9/89 22.68 2.64 51.4 4 0 Based on numbers above, the difference b/w Away and Home averages: Walsh: 24.44-23.83= 0.61 Wasim: 25.04-22.68= 2.36 Imran: 26.39-20.66= 5.73 Edited January 23, 2020 by zen raki05 1
rtmohanlal Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 9:55 PM, zen said: 3 equally matched bowlers with overlapping careers, Imran 1971-1990 Walsh 1984-2001 Wasim 1985-2001 Below stats vs. similar teams: Based on numbers above, the difference b/w Away and Home averages: Walsh: 24.44-23.83= 0.61 Wasim: 25.04-22.68= 2.36 Imran: 26.39-20.66= 5.73 yet another stats that emphatically projects the baall tampering expertise of kaptaan saheb...
raki05 Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 9:55 PM, zen said: 3 equally matched bowlers with overlapping careers, Imran 1971-1990 Walsh 1984-2001 Wasim 1985-2001 Below stats vs. similar teams: Based on numbers above, the difference b/w Away and Home averages: Walsh: 24.44-23.83= 0.61 Wasim: 25.04-22.68= 2.36 Imran: 26.39-20.66= 5.73 Great post Walsh is better bowler than these 2 and less said about Ambrose. rock777 1
Forward Defence Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 9:55 PM, zen said: 3 equally matched bowlers with overlapping careers, Imran 1971-1990 Walsh 1984-2001 Wasim 1985-2001 Below stats vs. similar teams: Based on numbers above, the difference b/w Away and Home averages: Walsh: 24.44-23.83= 0.61 Wasim: 25.04-22.68= 2.36 Imran: 26.39-20.66= 5.73 Walsh's away average against the teams you mentioned is 24.91 You posted the unfiltered readings. However it won't make much of a difference to your overall analysis. rock777 1
rock777 Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 5 hours ago, raki05 said: Great post Walsh is better bowler than these 2 and less said about Ambrose. 5 hours ago, rtmohanlal said: yet another stats that emphatically projects the baall tampering expertise of kaptaan saheb... 5 hours ago, rtmohanlal said: yet another stats that emphatically projects the baall tampering expertise of kaptaan saheb... Away average of 26.39 is better than career average of ishant sharma zahir khan shami yadav kapil dev srinath and there is probability bumrah will have his career average higher than this raki05 and urnotserious 2
raki05 Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 3 hours ago, rock777 said: Away average of 26.39 is better than career average of ishant sharma zahir khan shami yadav kapil dev srinath and there is probability bumrah will have his career average higher than this Bumrah is best fast bowler subcontinent has ever produced....samjhey grand son.
Vilander Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 4 hours ago, rock777 said: Away average of 26.39 is better than career average of ishant sharma zahir khan shami yadav kapil dev srinath and there is probability bumrah will have his career average higher than this just for facts Shami is 27.09, Bumrah is at 19.x and Bhuv is at 26.09 all of them might beat Imran bottle caps away average ( home avg obv home umpires on top of bottle caps), the reason current pak bowlers dont have such avg is because high speed cameras means no possibility to use bottle caps. its obvious.
rock777 Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Vilander said: just for facts Shami is 27.09, Bumrah is at 19.x and Bhuv is at 26.09 all of them might beat Imran bottle caps away average ( home avg obv home umpires on top of bottle caps), the reason current pak bowlers dont have such avg is because high speed cameras means no possibility to use bottle caps. its obvious. So tell me which figure is bigger 27.09 or 26.39 and i never mentioned bk besides ik maintained his average in 80 plus matches i hope you will provide some substantial evidence on ik doing tampering
rock777 Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Vilander said: just for facts Shami is 27.09, Bumrah is at 19.x and Bhuv is at 26.09 all of them might beat Imran bottle caps away average ( home avg obv home umpires on top of bottle caps), the reason current pak bowlers dont have such avg is because high speed cameras means no possibility to use bottle caps. its obvious. Idiot akhtar averaged lesser than zk bk shami ishant besides asif was another one abbas even hassan averages below 30 in tests and by the way read some books ontevers swing atm you are too silly to differentiate between reverse swing and ball tampering
rtmohanlal Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 7 hours ago, rock777 said: Away average of 26.39 is better than career average of ishant sharma zahir khan shami yadav kapil dev srinath and there is probability bumrah will have his career average higher than this yes... every thing was possible for kaptaan saheb during those pre multi camera days with able assistance from the likes of shakoor rana.
vvvslaxman Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 After they started weeding out ball tamperers Pakistan started losing "phasst bowler" lol Asif was the only stand out.
sandsaims Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 Would Pak fast bowlers of the past been as effective if not for ball tampering? I dont think its just a coincidence that their fast bowlers arent as effective since cameras started watching for ball tampering.
Adamant Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 Wasim and imran were better bowlers than walsh. Anybody who has seen them can tell. Wasim's fingernail has more legacy than all indian pacers combined. Indian fans zyada hi arrogant ho rahe hain, ek mohammad amir hi kaafi hai aukaad yaad dilaane ke liye.
vvvslaxman Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Adamant said: Wasim and imran were better bowlers than walsh. Anybody who has seen them can tell. Wasim's fingernail has more legacy than all indian pacers combined. Indian fans zyada hi arrogant ho rahe hain, ek mohammad amir hi kaafi hai aukaad yaad dilaane ke liye. hope you are being sarcastic there lol Hey i am a fan of Akram too. But you cannot deny he didn't tamper with the ball.
zen Posted February 7, 2020 Author Posted February 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: hope you are being sarcastic there lol Hey i am a fan of Akram too. But you cannot deny he didn't tamper with the ball. yes, the legendary fingernails:
Global.Baba Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 54 minutes ago, Adamant said: Wasim and imran were better bowlers than walsh. Anybody who has seen them can tell. Wasim's fingernail has more legacy than all indian pacers combined. Indian fans zyada hi arrogant ho rahe hain, ek mohammad amir hi kaafi hai aukaad yaad dilaane ke liye. Wasim in skills yes, not Imran lol no where close rock777 1
sandeep Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 8 hours ago, sandsaims said: Would Pak fast bowlers of the past been as effective if not for ball tampering? I dont think its just a coincidence that their fast bowlers arent as effective since cameras started watching for ball tampering. Tampering was probably part of the story, but because of their 'familiarity' with older balls, they were also early adopters of reverse swing. This along with their 'ball management' skills is the full picture. rock777 1
sandeep Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 7 hours ago, Adamant said: ek mohammad amir hi kaafi hai aukaad yaad dilaane ke liye. Ishant Sharma has been the better bowler, by yards, for the last 5 years. One-off fluke spells by ex-jail residents don't change facts. It is what it is. And Wasim Akram was a freak genius of a bowler, but ask Justice Qayum about what he included and excluded in his report and why, and then get back to us about your aukaat. Mohammed Azharuddin was a genius with bat in hand often, but you won't find Indians singing his praises anymore. Same goes with Sreesanth and his legitimate skill with the ball. There's a higher standard, a higher bar here, this is not the ghetto, where all sorts of sins are forgiven or glossed over, in the name of national pride. Vijy 1
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