Kumble victim of politics???

[Pollack]

3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Since when did BCCI ask the players' choice of coach? It is decided by management, action committees etc. They take players feedback, but , just because players like Shastri over Kumble, should not be the reason for the choice of Shastri.  All players want their brother-in-law as the coach, doesn't mean we select their brother-in-law!

 

Wait a second, OTOH, if the player wants his brother-in-law as a selector, BCCI will oblige! 

Indian players are dictating many things nowadays. Right from commentators to coach. Just too much powerful.

[someone]

We all do not know what actually happened but Kohli came out more professional. He struck with the principle that dressing room things should not in public. It's Kohli 1-0 and he hasn't even said his version of the story.

 

And Kumble should stop getting the benefit of doubt due to his legendary image. Just like a brilliant player does not become a good captain, similarly a legend may not be a good coach. Kumble is also at fault as he failed to adapt to the players.

[BeautifulGame]

4 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Since when did BCCI ask the players' choice of coach? It is decided by management, action committees etc. They take players feedback, but , just because players like Shastri over Kumble, should not be the reason for the choice of Shastri.  All players want their brother-in-law as the coach, doesn't mean we select their brother-in-law!

 

Wait a second, OTOH, if the player wants his brother-in-law as a selector, BCCI will oblige! 

Since a long time.

 

It's the seniors who forced BCCI to pick the foreign coach in 2001 with John Wright.

 

 

Also in 2005 Ganguly was given the choice between Chappell and Moody and ironically he picked Greg Chappell

 

[coffee_rules]

27 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

Since a long time.

 

It's the seniors who forced BCCI to pick the foreign coach in 2001 with John Wright.

 

 

Also in 2005 Ganguly was given the choice between Chappell and Moody and ironically he picked Greg Chappell

 

Early days of BCCI/India selecting foreign coaches, so seniors had to be asked by BCCI. Now we have seniors as part of CAC. So, you are compating oranges and pineapples.

[sandeep]

11 hours ago, Vilander said:

there is no shortage of bias, prejudice and nepotism in India. #fact. I will eat bondas, bajji, SOjji wont impact the bias'  in our people.

When you see bias everywhere, maybe the bias is in the eye of the beholder.    I will repeat for your edification - Virat Kohli and Rahul Dravid are not from Bombay.   

[Vilander]

10 minutes ago, sandeep said:

When you see bias everywhere, maybe the bias is in the eye of the beholder.    I will repeat for your edification - Virat Kohli and Rahul Dravid are not from Bombay.   

does not matter really the story about Virat/Dravid ( both are GOAT - so they dont need any lobby to serve them or need to be in any, all the more reason for some one like Sachin who is above these two to be impeccably impartial as he was in the past ). There is sufficient evidence of preferential treatment of mumbai upstarts from established mumbai legends.  Even in this Shastri case it looks pretty poor.

[Lannister]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

We played at home mostly......

Results wud have been pretty same had even sanjay bangar wud have been the main coach 

First Test series win against Eng and SA in 8-9 years and first Test series win in SL. I am glad we didn't have Sanjay Bangar, whoever he is. 

[Vilander]

7 hours ago, SK_IH said:

my take on this:

@maniac seed of kumble's acrimonious sacking was done the day he was made the coach instead of shastri last year.ganguly should have taken view of kohli last years as like this time instead he tried to act like dada he is and it backfired eventually with kohli teaming up with someone whose methods he didnt like and obviously famous infighting during champions trophy.

in the battle between ganguly and shastri ,poor kumble had to suffer and what a shame for dada now that shastri has become the coach of this side

Ganguly was doing his job of selecting the most astute coach someone who took the job seriously, opposed to someone taking the interview from bangkok.

[Lannister]

3 hours ago, someone said:

We all do not know what actually happened but Kohli came out more professional. He struck with the principle that dressing room things should not in public. It's Kohli 1-0 and he hasn't even said his version of the story.

 

And Kumble should stop getting the benefit of doubt due to his legendary image. Just like a brilliant player does not become a good captain, similarly a legend may not be a good coach. Kumble is also at fault as he failed to adapt to the players.

But the team's performance under Kumble is indicating something different. After all, he has had a successful career in his short tenure as a Captain, so it didn't come as a surprise how the team was performing when he was a coach. 

He didn't tell anything unwarranted except for the reservations that Kohli had with him, think Kohli should just man enough to accept it instead of all this drama. 

[veer]

16 hours ago, Vilander said:

who after CT..who now. wonder how CT impacted test rankings..

Taking CT as the timeline..

[sandeep]

8 hours ago, someone said:

We all do not know what actually happened but Kohli came out more professional. He struck with the principle that dressing room things should not in public. It's Kohli 1-0 and he hasn't even said his version of the story

Sure.  In your blind world.  

[veer]

17 hours ago, Vilander said:

 

India won SL and WI away never lost away , beat all at home without loosing a game.

 

SA won Aus and NZ away, lost to India away, Eng at home

 

How is SA better than India ?

 

India

India in Bangladesh Test Match	2015		drawn	0-0 (1)
India in Sri Lanka Test Series	2015		India	2-1 (3)
Freedom Trophy (South Africa in India)	2015/16		India	3-0 (4)
India in West Indies Test Series	2016		India	2-0 (4)
New Zealand in India Test Series	2016/17		India	3-0 (3)
England in India Test Series	2016/17		India	4-0 (5)
Bangladesh in India Test Match	2016/17		India	1-0 (1)
Border-Gavaskar Trophy (Australia in India)	2016/17		India	2-1 (4)

SA

South Africa in Bangladesh Test Series	2015		drawn	0-0 (2)
Freedom Trophy (South Africa in India)	2015/16		India	3-0 (4)
Basil D'Oliveira Trophy (England in South Africa)	2015/16		England	2-1 (4)
New Zealand in South Africa Test Series	2016		South Africa	1-0 (2)
South Africa in Australia Test Series	2016/17		South Africa	2-1 (3)
Sri Lanka in South Africa Test Series	2016/17		South Africa	3-0 (3)
South Africa in New Zealand Test Series	2016/17		South Africa	1-0 (3)

I hope you are not saying that SA winning in NZ, AUS is same as India winning in SL and WI..

 

Another thing is that Ashwin and Jaddu have become no. 1 test bowlers cuz they have been playing so long in India and turning pitches.. but they turned out to be crap bowlers in CT and WI... if you think we can beat Top 3-4 teams in their back yard with Ashwin and Jadeja.. then you'll get a big surprise..

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, veer said:

I hope you are not saying that SA winning in NZ, AUS is same as India winning in SL and WI..

 

Another thing is that Ashwin and Jaddu have become no. 1 test bowlers cuz they have been playing so long in India and turning pitches.. but they turned out to be crap bowlers in CT and WI... if you think we can beat Top 3-4 teams in their back yard with Ashwin and Jadeja.. then you'll get a big surprise..

why not, SA fast team beat fast aus and fast minow nz. Ind spin team beat spin sl and minow wi. its even.

 

besides that they lost to Eng at home and to India away. Its Ind>SA 

[Sidhoni]

52 minutes ago, Vilander said:

why not, SA fast team beat fast aus and fast minow nz. Ind spin team beat spin sl and minow wi. its even.

 

besides that they lost to Eng at home and to India away. Its Ind>SA 

Beating NZ in NZ is not same as beating WI in WI.. whatever fast spin logic you may apply.

[nevada]

It looks like Kohli didn't like him(not him, personally but he being coach instead of Shastri) from day one and made sure he would leave at the end of one year. Even now, after all this crap, I will be happy if India does well with the Kohli-Shastri partnership. Whatever makes the players happy and play better is fine with me. I just wish Kumble had been given the respect he is due as a legend of the game and respectfully asked to vacate his position instead of this dirty laundrying with all those news leaks, denials and crap.

[Vilander]

4 hours ago, Sidhoni said:

Beating NZ in NZ is not same as beating WI in WI.. whatever fast spin logic you may apply.

But India did beat NZ in NZ just not in the reporting period.

[coffee_rules]

Sharda Ugra has aptly questioned the "sanctity" of the dressing room nonsenses from Captain Kohliness

 

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Oh but wait, we were left debating how Kohli and Kumble couldn't get along because of what? Not cricketing ambition surely. At their last formal meeting about the issue in London, there were three other men in the room along with Kohli and Kumble - BCCI secretary Amitabh Chaudhary, CEO Rahul Johri, and cricket operations in charge MV Sridhar. The three would have known for sure that both Kohli and Kumble had the best interest of Indian cricket at heart. If both desired an identical end, surely the officials could have worked towards negotiating a common means to get there.

The people of authority in the room were a former high-ranking police officer, aged 54; a senior television executive, around 49; and a 50-year-old BCCI cricket operations manager. Each of whom you expect must know that while a captain leads on the field, in the boardroom, wiser counsel must prevail. Yet, whatever transpired in that meeting and after it, most regrettably, the superstardom of the 28-year-old captain appeared to have carried the most weight.

PS: A final aside. Kohli did speak eloquently of the "sanctity of the dressing room". Anyone working in Indian cricket will tell you that the idea of the sanctity of the dressing room might have a lovely worshipful ring to it, but that's about it. When it serves their interest, everyone leaks. From within the sacred dressing room and outside it. Not directly, if it's too messy, but through a range of messengers - first-class team-mates, former players, officials, PR managers, agents, journalists. "Sanctity of the dressing room" usually pops up when sanctimoniousness is being leaned on after a thorough, deliberate or accidental, airing of dirty linen. This is why we ended up where we did on Monday.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/1110431.html

 

First you leak through your yarana gang and then talk about being holy. Hypocrite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sidhoni]

4 hours ago, Vilander said:

But India did beat NZ in NZ just not in the reporting period.

Back in 2009? How does that matter now?

[Vilander]

On 7/13/2017 at 3:30 AM, Sidhoni said:

Back in 2009? How does that matter now?

Ind has definitely performed better than SA in the reporting period and hence the no 1.

[kosingh]

Thankfully there are only 3-4 people on this site who did not see through Kohli's "what happens in the dressing room stays in the dressing room" defense.