Vijy Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 9/20/2017 at 4:01 AM, FischerTal said: gunda /thread i knew this answer was a-coming. FischerTal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 20 minutes ago, Vijy said: awara was a big hit in soviet union back then... or so I've been told. I think mother india could be added to that list. got a lot of critical acclaim. the same goes for films by guru dutt, esp. in terms of advancing how songs were rendered. great cinematography in his films. I have seen many videos from places in former USSR, Turkey, etc. where they sing "Awaara Hoon" (and "Mera Juta hai Japani") I haven't seen Mother India and Guru Dutt films lately so have left them out. Also wanted to limit the number to 7 (7 wonders ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, zen said: I have seen many videos from places in former USSR, Turkey, etc. where they sing "Awaara Hoon" (and "Mera Juta hai Japani") I haven't seen Mother India and Guru Dutt films lately so have left them out. Also wanted to limit the number to 7 (7 wonders ) You should watch Mother India. It is definitely a more socially relevant/ message driven film (for that era) than a Madhumati or a shree 420. zen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Mariyam said: You should watch Mother India. It is definitely a more socially relevant/ message driven film (for that era) than a Madhumati or a shree 420. agreed. it's a bit overlong but a real powerhouse performance from nargis. a bit of trivia - it almost won the oscar for best foreign language film and lost by just 1 vote (thanks to some confirmed racist whose name I forget). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 Bollywood gamechangers: Awaara Mughal-e-Azam Waqt - 1st real multi-starrer iirc w/ lost and found theme Bobby Deewar - The relatively negative angry young man character that AB played in many of his films Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasgulla Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Sachin a Bllion dreams touched many hearts Stan AF, DHONI_FANN and Switchblade 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I6MTW Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Lamhe. Yash Chopras best and only tolerable movie. Way ahead of its time. Flopped in India but was a hit and influential overseas. Pyaasa very influential and was such a hit with so much critical acclaim. In fact most of guru dutts movies were influential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turning_track Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Do Beegha Zameen. Even after more than six decades, the plight of an ordinary farmer still remains in the modern context of society. zen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temujin Khaghan Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 (edited) I liked Shammi Kapoor's Teesri Manzil the first time i saw it as an 8 year old. But the movie did not age well for me. Now, the movie seems a bit boring. Songs are still spectacular to watch and fresh to listen though :) I always had a soft corner of shammi kapoor's acting, shame that he did not put as much focus on his career and script selection the way rajesh khanna or amitabh did... :/ Edited September 8, 2018 by Temujin Khaghan zen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) On 9/8/2018 at 1:08 AM, zen said: Bollywood gamechangers: Awaara Mughal-e-Azam Waqt - 1st real multi-starrer iirc w/ lost and found theme Bobby Deewar - The relatively negative angry young man character that AB played in many of his films Why Bobby? Apart from amazing music, it didn't have much going for it. The plot was very predictable and the support cast were under utilized. Also, the caricature like portrayal of Bobby and her family was very cringe worthy. A better 'elope' story was Dil. Easier to empathize with the Aamir Madhuri jodi. In fact it opened the door for many of the "run away get married" movies. Edited September 12, 2018 by Mariyam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Mariyam said: Why Bobby? Apart from amazing music, it didn't have much going for it. The plot was very predictable and the support cast were under utilized. Also, the caricature like portrayal of Bobby and her family was very cringe worthy. A better 'elope' story was Dil. Easier to empathize with the Aamir Madhuri jodi. In fact it opened the door for many of the "run away get married" movies. QSQT started it before Dil. Bobby is supposedly the path breakaway movie, unabashedly modern, celebrating rich and youth, unhinged about sex, objectifying women, sorry girls, showed how Raj Kapoor went from awara to a sexual pervert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turning_track Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: QSQT started it before Dil. Bobby is supposedly the path breakaway movie, unabashedly modern, celebrating rich and youth, unhinged about sex, objectifying women, sorry girls, showed how Raj Kapoor went from awara to a sexual pervert. That song 'Ghe Ghe Ghere' in the movie was actually a folk song about a native Goan losing his everything to the Portuguese & depicting his anguish & pain. RK 'The Great Showman' made it into a happy folk song showing banter between lovers. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018 6 hours ago, Mariyam said: Why Bobby? Apart from amazing music, it didn't have much going for it. The plot was very predictable and the support cast were under utilized. Also, the caricature like portrayal of Bobby and her family was very cringe worthy. A better 'elope' story was Dil. Easier to empathize with the Aamir Madhuri jodi. In fact it opened the door for many of the "run away get married" movies. It changed the the scope of love stories. It needs to be edited for the 21st century and rereleased .... I find elements of Bobby in many films including Maine Pyar Kiya for e.g. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 In terms of pop culture,its got to be Sholay.The movie churned out characters and dialogues that are still in use till this day. A few others would be Mr. India,Waqt In terms of movies that make you think,Mother India was pretty impactful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, Yoda-esque said: In terms of pop culture,its got to be Sholay.The movie churned out characters and dialogues that are still in use till this day. I like the video below Yoda-esque 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 On 9/12/2018 at 5:09 PM, coffee_rules said: QSQT started it before Dil. Bobby is supposedly the path breakaway movie, unabashedly modern, celebrating rich and youth, unhinged about sex, objectifying women, sorry girls, showed how Raj Kapoor went from awara to a sexual pervert. I had my timelines all mixed up. QSQT is indeed a year and a half before Dil. The lyricist for the QSQT songs was 'Majruh' Sultanpuri. One of his last major works. Between the two, I liked Dil more. The end of QSQT is very bleak. And there is this notion that exists that a love story has to be tragic to be a real story. Most Indian love stories, even in our folk-lore, have been romantic tragedies. Dil ends on a positive note and is therefore a lot more likable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 On 9/13/2018 at 12:27 AM, Yoda-esque said: In terms of pop culture,its got to be Sholay.The movie churned out characters and dialogues that are still in use till this day. A few others would be Mr. India,Waqt In terms of movies that make you think,Mother India was pretty impactful. I agree. Mother India more impactful than Mr.India. And Naya Daur also fairly impactful. This is wrt impact on the society, view vis a vis the tiller and the general soft spot that the movies created for the farming community. Different times though. Naya Daur also deserves a mention. Mr.India however, had much more of an impact on film making and the characters are more memorable. We'd all remember Mr.India, Hawa Hawai, Mogambo, Cadbury and Gaitonde. But we'd struggle to remember Birju. Only you and @zen rate Waqt. Very formulaic and not much to speak about IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 17 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Only you and @zen rate Waqt. Very formulaic and not much to speak about IMO. The gamechangers that I listed were for their impact on Bollywood (not necessarily society) - as Waqt, as far as I recall, was the first major multi-starrer blockbuster w/ lost and found theme, which continued well into the 70s-80s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, Mariyam said: I agree. Mother India more impactful than Mr.India. And Naya Daur also fairly impactful. This is wrt impact on the society, view vis a vis the tiller and the general soft spot that the movies created for the farming community. Different times though. Naya Daur also deserves a mention. Mr.India however, had much more of an impact on film making and the characters are more memorable. We'd all remember Mr.India, Hawa Hawai, Mogambo, Cadbury and Gaitonde. But we'd struggle to remember Birju. Only you and @zen rate Waqt. Very formulaic and not much to speak about IMO. Before Sholay, Ganga Jamuna was path breaking showing villagers taking up arms against the establishment. Dilip Saab was top notch in that movie. I don't rate Waqt, a very out-dated , while the formula of family breaking up and uniting in the end, the main plot of many MMD movies (Amar Akbar Anthony etc.), was invented by Wqt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 On 9/12/2018 at 3:54 AM, Mariyam said: Why Bobby? Apart from amazing music, it didn't have much going for it. The plot was very predictable and the support cast were under utilized. Also, the caricature like portrayal of Bobby and her family was very cringe worthy. A better 'elope' story was Dil. Easier to empathize with the Aamir Madhuri jodi. In fact it opened the door for many of the "run away get married" movies. But Dil was too loud with Anupam Kher being outlandish. I like subtle movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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