ravishingravi Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 37 minutes ago, Clarke said: So the theme in EU is "winter is coming". They're talking of 5-10 years of potentially troublesome winters with cutbacks & price caps. Any european members here wanna share the impact they see on their power bills among other things as well as society in general ? Since 1944, I believe this will be the most important time for weather forecasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 8 hours ago, ravishingravi said: Since 1944, I believe this will be the most important time for weather forecasters. Harsh winter is predicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Clarke said: So the theme in EU is "winter is coming". They're talking of 5-10 years of potentially troublesome winters with cutbacks & price caps. Any european members here wanna share the impact they see on their power bills among other things as well as society in general ? In plain sight, Europe should have no problem if Canada increase the production and export to Europe. Natural Gas price in Canada is very low and Canada alone can produce enough gas for Europe. Or even US. US is top natural gas producer. Right now Europe is buying refined oil from India and India is getting that oil from Russia. refining that abd selling it to Europe. Edited August 30, 2022 by rkt.india Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mishra Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 On 8/30/2022 at 10:03 AM, Clarke said: So the theme in EU is "winter is coming". They're talking of 5-10 years of potentially troublesome winters with cutbacks & price caps. Any european members here wanna share the impact they see on their power bills among other things as well as society in general ? Power cuts will increase everywhere apart from EU. Hopefully, Soon Just like UK, EU too will seriously start working to harness African desert sun too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 20 hours ago, mishra said: Power cuts will increase everywhere apart from EU. Hopefully, Soon Just like UK, EU too will seriously start working to harness African desert sun too. Europe has started buying coal and lots of it and kickstarted the coal plants already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 On 8/30/2022 at 11:27 PM, rkt.india said: In plain sight, Europe should have no problem if Canada increase the production and export to Europe. Natural Gas price in Canada is very low and Canada alone can produce enough gas for Europe. Or even US. US is top natural gas producer. Right now Europe is buying refined oil from India and India is getting that oil from Russia. refining that abd selling it to Europe. You can’t transport gas easily you will need pipelines to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 On 8/30/2022 at 10:03 AM, Clarke said: So the theme in EU is "winter is coming". They're talking of 5-10 years of potentially troublesome winters with cutbacks & price caps. Any european members here wanna share the impact they see on their power bills among other things as well as society in general ? Energy bills have skyrocketed in the the UK due to the price 'cap' being changed to support energy firms as opposed to the customers. Due to over reliance on exported energy and no storage facilities of gas.. we are buying cheap gas, selling it to Europe and buying it back at higher prices.. There is no cap for business bills... which means if the Bill freeze proposed by Truss doesnt happen thousands of small businesses could fold with many job losses and a deep recession. Brits were saying at the start of the Invasion that they are ready to suffer a bit to support ukraine.. karlo suffer. When the country is not self sufficient in its energy production and has the balls to put sanctions on the worlds main energy supplier which impacts market prices as well as finding billions to send to Ukraine for arms.. prices of everything has gone up. Its crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 13 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said: Energy bills have skyrocketed in the the UK due to the price 'cap' being changed to support energy firms as opposed to the customers. What's the magnitude of change ? Say the bill was x pounds last year for a given month, is it 4x this year, residential and commercial ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Clarke said: What's the magnitude of change ? Say the bill was x pounds last year for a given month, is it 4x this year, residential and commercial ? Bills have rocketed from example 70 a month to 300 a month so a 4,5x increase for residential where a cap is there but its constantly increasing. For small businesses for example its gone up for 3000 a year to 25K a year so like a 8x increase as an example You see how clueless and dumb UK politicians are that they are ready to let their citizens suffer just to play geopolitical games of the US Clarke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 29 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said: Bills have rocketed from example 70 a month to 300 a month so a 4,5x increase for residential where a cap is there but its constantly increasing. For small businesses for example its gone up for 3000 a year to 25K a year so like a 8x increase as an example You see how clueless and dumb UK politicians are that they are ready to let their citizens suffer just to play geopolitical games of the US Are they looking to find alternatives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Are they looking to find alternatives? There is no alternative- their Green energy sources are run on gas. Although only 5% of gas is imported from Russia, the rest of Europe is buying it from other sources which means prices shoot up for users in the UK too. Greens didnt allow nuclear to be an option, coal mines which have billions of tons stored are closed, Solar isnt reliable and Wind energy isnt wither due to less wind than normal. The North Sea gas industry isnt enough to sustain the UK needs and the green options are unreliable. They also tie the prices of green sources to the most expensive fossil fuel sources. Tories closed down the gas storage facilities so even if we buy cheaper gas from other countries we have nowhere to store it which means selling it to Europe and buying it back it insane prices BacktoCricaddict 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Didn't the UK say that they are willing to put up with inconvenience for Ukraine. I guess this is where the walk the talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said: Bills have rocketed from example 70 a month to 300 a month so a 4,5x increase for residential where a cap is there but its constantly increasing. For small businesses for example its gone up for 3000 a year to 25K a year so like a 8x increase as an example You see how clueless and dumb UK politicians are that they are ready to let their citizens suffer just to play geopolitical games of the US That's a crazy rise in bills, can lead to shutting down of businesses and a proper recession. One has to wonder who's sanctioning whom at the end of the day, energy impact is way bigger than most restrictions from the west. Lower income countries especially those dependent on gas will struggle even more since the Europeans will capture other sources such as Qatar & Algeria. Shale gas will also be in the reckoning. Edited September 7, 2022 by Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 54 minutes ago, Clarke said: That's a crazy rise in bills, can lead to shutting down of businesses and a proper recession. One has to wonder who's sanctioning whom at the end of the day, energy impact is way bigger than most restrictions from the west. Lower income countries especially those dependent on gas will struggle even more since the Europeans will capture other sources such as Qatar & Algeria. Shale gas will also be in the reckoning. Businesses have started to warn that if there is no stop to the rise in bills many will have to shut down- many have started reducing their opening hours already. This could potentially be a worse recession than 2008. All in the name for playing games with Putin Fracking for shale gas is not allowed in the UK either due to numpty Greens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said: Businesses have started to warn that if there is no stop to the rise in bills many will have to shut down- many have started reducing their opening hours already. This could potentially be a worse recession than 2008. All in the name for playing games with Putin Fracking for shale gas is not allowed in the UK either due to numpty Greens I was referring to Uncle Sam's love for shale. They did a Berlin airlift op in the early days of the cold war, it could be a big sea op this time. Even UK/EU can update rules like they did for coal & nuclear. Climate change can go **** itself. ravishingravi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Don’t they have solar ? Never mind, we are talking about UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Clarke Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 ^^ Its both grants and loans. In any case US would enjoy pounding of Russia & its soldiers/equipment with no casualties of its own, so yea they will continue to throw money in many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 US Strategic Petroleum Reserve Is At Its Lowest Level Since 1984 Quote An administration that has frequently emphasized the importance of reducing carbon emissions is trying to increase oil supplies to bring down rising oil prices — which will in turn help keep demand (and carbon emissions) high. But even though the Biden Administration wants to address rising carbon emissions, high gasoline prices cause incumbents to lose elections. So, they try to tame gasoline prices even though it contradicts one of their key objectives of reducing carbon emissions. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/09/07/the-strategic-petroleum-reserve-is-at-its-lowest-level-since-1984/?sh=65cdcdde77c7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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