sandeep Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Stumped said: KPH would make a bit more sense, but he clearly stated miles. That he did. Anyway, I tagged you in the other thread on Cook. Not sure if you didn't see it, or maybe choosing not to see it Link to comment
GolGappe Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I'd put him in same bracket as Walsh. Falls slightly short of tier 1 bowlers like Ambrose, Steyn, McGrath, Marshall, Wasim but still a major player behind England's successes in test arena in last few years. GoldenSun 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Won't call him a green track bully...used to be one at the start but has had decent returns in all countries in his 2nd phase....500 wickets is no joke and that too for a fast bowler. Definetely an ATG. one might argue that he will not find a slot in the world ATGx1 of all time but then again so will a lot of others like say Sangakkara,Kumble,Waqar,Ponting,Hadlee etc he is definetely right up there. people calling him clouderson and GTB have no idea...with a new ball in any conditoythe guy looks threatening...also added reverse swing later on. Link to comment
putrevus Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Pace? you mean you want Indian bowlers to reduce their pace by 10 miles and bowl? And economy rate? Well, it will be interesting to see the economy rate of this pace attack of India in england and new zealand! You mean to say Ishant/ Bhuvi are bowling faster than Anderson. If any of them can replicate Anderson when they play in England. India will have great chance.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment
Sooda Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 On 9/9/2017 at 9:19 AM, kira said: What were you smoking while creating this thread? He has taken five hundred test wickets. The biggest gripe one could have is with his home/away record disparity- if you rate Kumble as an all time great then it is hypocritical to not say the same of Anderson I would say top 15 or so of all time- I dont think there are twenty test pacemen better than he is rkt.india 1 Link to comment
Sooda Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 He was excellent with his reverse swing in india in 2012 too Link to comment
kira Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Sooda said: He has taken five hundred test wickets. The biggest gripe one could have is with his home/away record disparity- if you rate Kumble as an all time great then it is hypocritical to not say the same of Anderson I would say top 15 or so of all time- I dont think there are twenty test pacemen better than he is First of all, who in the blue hell told you that I rate kumble as an ATG, I am not hypocritical, you are just ignorant. Kumble isn't an ATG, he's an Indian Great Secondly, Marshall Mcgrath Steyn Hadlee Ambrose Garner Akram Donald Holding Pollock Waqar Younis Lillee Walsh These guys are easily, comfortably, without a shadow of doubt way way better than clouderson, and this list is just off the top of my head, there are many others who are arguably better than clouderson based on a better away record. Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Just like ashwin.. A HTB nothing else G_B_ 1 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 On 9/10/2017 at 0:41 AM, Stumped said: KPH would make a bit more sense, but he clearly stated miles. Whenever I see him, I see him bowling around 79mph to a max of 83 mph. At times he cranks it up to 85mph. Umesh, Shami, normally bowl around 90-92mph quite often. Thats a difference in excess of 7-10 mph. So yes, I stand by my words. Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 On 9/10/2017 at 0:15 AM, Stumped said: Eh, what Indian bowlers regularly bowl in the low-mid 90s...? Apart from Shami and Umesh, even Bumrah (although he doesnt play tests), bowls in low 90's. Ishant can. Actually,even Bhuveneshwar Kumar is about 5k's quicker than Anderson. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 20 hours ago, putrevus said: You mean to say Ishant/ Bhuvi are bowling faster than Anderson. If any of them can replicate Anderson when they play in England. India will have great chance. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I mean to say Umesh, shami, Ishant, Bhuvi and even Bumrah are bowling quicker than Anderson. Whether they replicate his performance or not, but if they play continuosly in such conditions for 3-5 years, their stats too would start looking close to an ATG stat express bowling 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, kira said: First of all, who in the blue hell told you that I rate kumble as an ATG, I am not hypocritical, you are just ignorant. Kumble isn't an ATG, he's an Indian Great Secondly, Marshall Mcgrath Steyn Hadlee Ambrose Garner Akram Donald Holding Pollock Waqar Younis Lillee Walsh These guys are easily, comfortably, without a shadow of doubt way way better than clouderson, and this list is just off the top of my head, there are many others who are arguably better than clouderson based on a better away record. What is Waqar's record in india, Aus and SA? how many games has Lillee played in India? Garner is another guy who was fast and had a good run but never a sustained level of performance I can say Anderson is better than these 3 for sure Also the 3rd highest test wicket taker of all time is not an ATG? Learn new things everyday Edited September 10, 2017 by maniac Link to comment
Gollum Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Closer to 20 than 10 methinks, definitely not in top 10. He is an ATG no doubt, best English quick since I started watching cricket. Link to comment
AmreekanDesi Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) On 9/9/2017 at 1:18 PM, Rightarmfast said: I have 4 words... Lolz... certainly a great for england team, but in my book he is not in the top 10 or 20. those are 4 letters, numpty! Lern the difference between words and letters He is probably better than any Indian pacer ever at this point Edited September 11, 2017 by AmreekanDesi Link to comment
AmreekanDesi Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 The simple facts are that since 1 Jan 2008, the stats are as follows: James Anderson has played 109 Tests (no small sample!) and averaged 25.7! Apart from Australia against whom he averages 33, Jimmy Anerson has a sub-30 average against ALL teams! Also Jimmy Anderson has a sub-25 average in the following countries: UAE (huge achievement), Sri Lanka (huge achievement), West Indies and England. And he has a sub 40 average in all countries. Only in India does he have a really poor average of 39, which was courtesy of last tour where he was injured The facts are that he has a much better all round record than the likes of Anil Kumnle, Thompson, Lillee etc Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 15 minutes ago, AmreekanDesi said: those are 4 letters, numpty! Lern the difference between words and letters He is probably better than any Indian pacer ever at this point Thanks Mr Oxford! Btw, which dictionary/ book did you read he is better than any Indian bowler? Link to comment
AmreekanDesi Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: Thanks Mr Oxford! Btw, which dictionary/ book did you read he is better than any Indian bowler? again not reading properly I said Indian pacer. In your opinion which Indian pacer had a better career than Anderson? Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Which Indian pacer got the same easy condition to bowl in, and was excused for non performance abroad? express bowling 1 Link to comment
AmreekanDesi Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: Which Indian pacer got the same easy condition to bowl in, and was excused for non performance abroad? Post 2008 return He averages 20 in UAE and Sri Lanka Did well in WI. In India his overall average is poor at 39 but he did have a good tour as well so has some success He has some holes in his record but if you go in that detail then forget our pacers, even our spinners have huge holes in their records (Kumble, Bhajji and obv Ashwin) EDIT: In India his overall avg is 33 which is pretty decent Edited September 11, 2017 by AmreekanDesi Link to comment
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