rkt.india Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Pollack said: We were winning if not for Kohli getting out. It was easy peasy for him. No, we were winning only in figment of imagination. We were chasing 360 plus on 5th day and even reaching close to that would have been phenomenal on that pitch against Lyon. We did not even reach close and lost by 48 runs. We needed 360 in 90 overs at the start and we were 300/6 with only tail left and Kohli needing to score 60 in 54 balls. Was an improbable task even in a t20 or an ODI with our tail let alone in a test on a weary pitch. Edited July 22, 2019 by rkt.india mani sha 1 Link to comment
kohli Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, mani sha said: He didn’t choke in those games - games were almost lost but he fought and fought its because of Kohli we won in Australia as he has brought this never say die attitude . Tendulkar used to be out when u needed him to make a 100 - like a 4 th innings chase . Tendulkar was was also lucky to have dravid lax man ganguly and sehwag gambhir combo towards the latter half of his career - Kohli doesn’t have any of those in tests . Pujara is decent but not as close to dravid . And our no 6 is Bihari! Kohli have best bowling attack &btw Pujara & bumrah won for India in Australia Edited July 22, 2019 by kohli sergio04 1 Link to comment
mani sha Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, sergio04 said: You can say kohli is lucky to have such a fantastic fast bowling line up in our history that if our Batsman perform they will lead India to victory. So there are more chance that runs made by kohli will end up in winning cause due to our best bowling line up in history. If we had this kind of bowling line up in 2000, we would have won many overseas test series in 2000. We had a good bowling attack - srinath zaheer kumble Bhajji nehra etc . Yes india benifits but surely the sight of laxman and Dravid after a sehwag century and u coming to bat is not the same as you coming to bat after 10/2 and vihari to follow - kohli surely doesn’t play thinking bumrah gonna win the match ! A baristow helps a Roy Bat batter . It’s all About partnerships . Kohli the test batsman is perhaps second only to grant flower in terms of overcoming their limitations and playing with almost no other batter on other end Link to comment
sergio04 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 minute ago, kohli said: Kohli have best bowling attack &btw Pujara & bumrah won for India in Australia Bhaai there is not a single major contribution from kohli in our test's win in SENA. Link to comment
mani sha Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 21 minutes ago, sergio04 said: Where did he fight and fight in these matches? Watch the matches bro - wait for kohli career to be over - will have fewer test hundreds than Sachin but most will be meaningful Link to comment
sergio04 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 minute ago, mani sha said: We had a good bowling attack - srinath zaheer kumble Bhajji nehra etc . Yes india benifits but surely the sight of laxman and Dravid after a sehwag century and u coming to bat is not the same as you coming to bat after 10/2 and vihari to follow - kohli surely doesn’t play thinking bumrah gonna win the match ! A baristow helps a Roy Bat batter . It’s all About partnerships . Kohli the test batsman is perhaps second only to grant flower in terms of overcoming their limitations and playing with almost no other batter on other end Yet these mediocre Batsman contribute more than kohli in our test wins in SEA. Link to comment
mani sha Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, sergio04 said: Bhaai there is not a single major contribution from kohli in our test's win in SENA. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportskeeda.com/amp/cricket/sachin-tendulkar-vs-virat-kohli-a-statistical-analysis bro - saw him bat in England in most bowling friendly conditions - saw Sachin bat in similar conditions in South Africa ( india were our for 45 I think I remember ) kohli in tests is way way ahead when the going gets very tough - he matured a bit late but played exceedingly well in England and Australia - think he didn’t play as well in south afric Link to comment
sergio04 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, mani sha said: Watch the matches bro - wait for kohli career to be over - will have fewer test hundreds than Sachin but most will be meaningful I watched all matches bro. Kindly refer to stats in these matches where he fights and fights chasing 200 And India lost by 40-70 runs margin , kohli got out in single digit score most times. And Pujara has already more meaningful runs than kohli will score all throughout his career. Vijy 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 38 minutes ago, mani sha said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/sports/cricket/story/virat-kohli-in-australia-2018-19-average-as-batsman-outstanding-as-captain-1433908-2019-01-18 he was the third highest scorer . His 100 was very crucial - except that it was in the test we lost. so it was hardly a crucial one. chepu and pant outscored kohli comfortably on pitches where we won or drew. Link to comment
sergio04 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Vijy said: except that it was in the test we lost. so it was hardly a crucial one. chepu and pant outscored kohli comfortably on pitches where we won or drew. Its test - 3, 34 We won. 2nd test- 123, 17 We lost 3rd test- 82, 0 We won 4th test- 23 Rain stopped us winning by an inning. Link to comment
Vijy Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, sergio04 said: Its test - 3, 34 We won. 2nd test- 123, 17 We lost 3rd test- 82, 0 We won 4th test- 23 Rain stopped us winning by an inning. that's what I meant when I wrote the 123 was quite useless unlike what the poster claimed. that 82 in the 3rd test was a solid knock, but it was only one among many. I rate mayank's knock in the same test much more highly. Link to comment
Vijy Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 29 minutes ago, mani sha said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportskeeda.com/amp/cricket/sachin-tendulkar-vs-virat-kohli-a-statistical-analysis bro - saw him bat in England in most bowling friendly conditions - saw Sachin bat in similar conditions in South Africa ( india were our for 45 I think I remember ) kohli in tests is way way ahead when the going gets very tough - he matured a bit late but played exceedingly well in England and Australia - think he didn’t play as well in south afric kohli did quite ordinarily on the 2011 and 2018 tours of Oz. he only scored in dead rubbers or matches that we lost comfortably. the only good tour of Oz he had in 2014 was on pitches that were much flatter than even those SRT encountered in 2003. the only place where kohli probably shades SRT is that last eng tour. but, to compensate for this, he played atrociously on the previous eng tour in 2014. moreover, Kohli has a measly avg of 36 in WI against a poor team and on fairly SC-type pitches. whereas SRT has an avg of 47 and played against likes of Walsh, Bishop and Ambrose in 1997. Last, but by no means the least, there is the issue of spin. the "best" spinners that kohli has faced are people like lyon and moeen ali whereas SRT batted against warne and murali; heck, even mcgill and saqlain were much more dangerous bowlers than most of the so-called spinners that kohli has faced. In home series where there was genuine turn, Kohli was a big failure: Oz and SA. SRT scored valuable runs on pitches with big turn. For instance, there was that raging turner where michael clarke took 6-9, where SRT made a 50. on that pitch, Kohli would have been dismissed in single figures. Kohli is like Ponting. he can do well on certain pitches while in the middle of a purple patch. once it ends, his records will slide inevitably. besides, I have yet to see test matches in SENA that were won/drawn primarily due to VK's contributions. In the last Oz tour, he scored in perth which we lost comfortably. Kohli scores often in dead rubbers or matches that we are destined to lose. in this respect, he is not as different from SRT as you claim. anyway, you are entitled to your opinion. this is mine. prasen82, sergio04, mishra and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Insidious Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Vijy said: kohli did quite ordinarily on the 2011 and 2018 tours of Oz. he only scored in dead rubbers or matches that we lost comfortably. the only good tour of Oz he had in 2014 was on pitches that were much flatter than even those SRT encountered in 2003. the only place where kohli probably shades SRT is that last eng tour. but, to compensate for this, he played atrociously on the previous eng tour in 2014. moreover, Kohli has a measly avg of 36 in WI against a poor team and on fairly SC-type pitches. whereas SRT has an avg of 47 and played against likes of Walsh, Bishop and Ambrose in 1997. Last, but by no means the least, there is the issue of spin. the "best" spinners that kohli has faced are people like lyon and moeen ali whereas SRT batted against warne and murali; heck, even mcgill and saqlain were much more dangerous bowlers than most of the so-called spinners that kohli has faced. In home series where there was genuine turn, Kohli was a big failure: Oz and SA. SRT scored valuable runs on pitches with big turn. For instance, there was that raging turner where michael clarke took 6-9, where SRT made a 50. on that pitch, Kohli would have been dismissed in single figures. Kohli is like Ponting. he can do well on certain pitches while in the middle of a purple patch. once it ends, his records will slide inevitably. besides, I have yet to see test matches in SENA that were won/drawn primarily due to VK's contributions. In the last Oz tour, he scored in perth which we lost comfortably. Kohli scores often in dead rubbers or matches that we are destined to lose. in this respect, he is not as different from SRT as you claim. anyway, you are entitled to your opinion. this is mine. Sachin is better test batsman. I agree. But I don't agree with the way you berating Kohli. Kohli was our best batsman in 2011 tour of Australia. The only batsman to score a hundred for us in that test series. In 2014 test series against Aussies, he single handedly helped to draw 2 tests out of 4, otherwise result would have been 4-0. If pitches were so flat, why other could n't replicate what Kohli did in that series. Kohli saved us from embarrassment in that series. In 2018 of Australia, he was India's 2nd best batsman. The knock he played in Perth test is definitely amongst the top 10 knocks by an Indian in this decade. Pure master-class on seaming, swinging bouncing surface/conditions. Almost equivalent to sachin's 169 in Capetown. And his 80+ runs in mcg and his partner ship with pujara was the reason why we won that series. Edited July 22, 2019 by Insidious Link to comment
mishra Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 67 icfers voted Rat to be better bat. He gave nice good phainty to all if them. Link to comment
Mariyam Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Not only is Sachin a better player in the world cups/ kock out rounds. That has been sufficiently established. But as cringe-worthyy as Sachin's ads have been they are no where as scratch your hair out Uber ad's by Kohli. So overall, Sachin has Kohli beat by a light year. mishra, Vijy, Laaloo and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
Stan AF Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) Wow!. Would you look at that!. Sachin is now leading the poll after being behind by a whopping 24 votes. 69-67 Almost no votes that were polled recently have gone to Kohli. Edited July 23, 2019 by Stan AF Vijy 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 On 7/22/2019 at 11:54 PM, Stan AF said: Wow!. Would you look at that!. Sachin is now leading the poll after being behind by a whopping 24 votes. 69-67 Almost no votes that were polled recently have gone to Kohli. Tendu is slowly inching towards his century in typical SRT style. Stan AF, New guy and Laaloo 3 Link to comment
rageaddict Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 I bet Virat will take the lead again with a Hat Trick of tons against the West Indies Team. It's just a matter of time. Form is temporary, Class is permanent. Just wait and watch. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, rageaddict said: I bet Virat will take the lead again with a Hat Trick of tons against the West Indies Team. It's just a matter of time. Form is temporary, Class is permanent. Just wait and watch. ohh... that would be big deal.... a 'class' who can't even score 2 runs chasing a moderate 239 in the most important match for the entire fans now would soon be seen chasing 300s for fun... Only dumb asses of the highest order can vote for Kohli based on further bilateral performances. sergio04 and Stan AF 2 Link to comment
New guy Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Kohli should let go of politics in team, captaincy and focus on his batting. He is on a cross road now where his legacy is going to be decided in the next few years. He has shown his dedication towards being physically fit but can he show his mental strength and focus now? Whatever sachin was he had one single minded focus on doing well in batting. Kohli is letting other things distract him currently, if his mind us cluttered with politics, he cannot have the same focus with which he used to play before For both kohli and India's sake, it would be better to have a different captain in all format Vijy 1 Link to comment
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