Will Pak v Ind tests ever match the Ashes?

[Khota]

17 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

To each their own.

 

I used to prefer ODIs when younger, but now it's all about tests for me especially overseas tests. I just can't be bothered to watch bilateral ODIs and T20s anymore.

Exactly. One should watch what one enjoys.

[Nikhil_cric]

If played on Indian pitches then ,yes, possibly. If played on the dross they call "wicket" in the UAE then no. I'd rather watch paint dry.

[Vilander]

First political situation has to clear. make LOC boundary have some inner permit for kashmir on both sides so that it limits further population moving in give them local governance/edcu/development autonomy within their boundaries, and then have the issue resolved totally. 

 

After that every aspect of Ind-Pak relation will flourish, with the potential following  and relative importance of the game for both the populations, Ind-Pak cricket can rival any sporting clash for eminence.

 

But with the first precondition not looking likely, all this is just a dream. And many in India are not invested at all so yeah, not likely.

[YCCC]

Well how can we possibly find out if you never play each other? I've never watched an Ind-Pak Test match, the last one was before I discovered the joy of watching neutral matches. I would love to watch and India-Pakistan Test match. 

[Khota]

1 hour ago, Shaz1 said:

I used to never understand Test cricket either and took some time to get into it till I saw and understood cricket more. The thing is when you compare a average Test cricket fan to a casual fan there is a lot of different things going on inside there head when they watch Test cricket. What you find boring is entertaining to others cause they see a lot more in that ball being thrown in Test cricket than someone who views it as some daily routine. Understanding the plays is important to enjoy Test cricket. If you sit there not knowing them it will make sense why you find it boring. 

 

The generation you speak about, I am part of it. I can’t stand things that take too much time unless I am in control of it. So I understand your point of view in that. You are a casual fan who probably doesn’t view cricket to its deepest core. Do you play cricket by any chance?

I have played plenty of cricket. I may not be as accomplished as some here but I do get the nuance of the game. test cricket is boring and there is nothing special going on. Just bunch of tired players who are doing stuff.

[mancalledsting]

No, never. Political agendas and vendettas more beloved to both countries. 

[YCCC]

1 hour ago, Shaz1 said:

What team do you support?

Yorkshire first, England second ;)

[Turning_track]

No India-Pak matches will never match the Ashes. Ashes is history; that sentiment is valued, preserved & respected in both the Eng & Aus by the public as well as their players.
The quality of cricket is also high in these games, love watching the on field action & banter. (except when the Poms getting whitewashed )
For Ind-Pak, its more about politics & trying to humiliate the other.

In this below video, a Barmy army member gets an autograph from Mitchell Johnson & its hilarious. The moments like these will create quite a furor if India-Pak will be playing instead.

 

[G_B_]

it would help if pakistan were not at the bottom of the table in test cricket. I mean losing to SL in the UAE. I would be far more worried about being competitive with Zimbabwe and Windies after the retirements of Misbah and Younis. Priorities....

 

Ashes in the 90s was rubbish when England were poor.

[MechEng]

11 hours ago, Khota said:

Trus me I have been in the stands of Feroze Shah Kotla and watched all great teams (WI, England, Pakistan not Australia).

 

Tests are about as boring as it gets. People in the stands get tired. What you call patience is epic boredom and it does not get any worse. Half an hour goes by before a run is scored. You could see a six maybe once in a test match. On third day ofthe match we would have fights in the stands with police escorting people out.

 

T20 like baseball is fast. I am the microwave geneartion person. I dont like slow cooking. I dont like batsman taking half an hour to settle. Just like in baseball a batter who is about to come is swinging his bat on the sideline to get his timing down at the first pitch so odes the btsman in cricket has to hit the first ball. Get it right the first time. Fielding standards are high It is fun.

 

If test cricket was so great people would be watching it. Unfortunately they dont.

Test cricket belongs to an era when life was easier, slow paced and less complicated, when there was no desire for instant gratification.

 

Today we live in information age where rat race is more intense than it was in the industrial age, it's super competitive and failing is strongly discouraged. The old school qualities such as patience has no value today which is why test cricket looks so out of sync with reality when we watch it today on tv.

[MechEng]

On 09/11/2017 at 4:29 PM, Lala2790 said:

Do any other Pakistan/Indian fans wish that we had an ongoing test series against each other like the Ashes rivalry?

 

Obviously theire would need to be consessions from both sides (Pakistan would need to agree not to win every match and India will need to agree not to doctor wikets).  There is so mauch passion and histry between England and Asturalia and it is a pity that are two sides cannot come together and reignite a similar rivalry.  I still recall fondly during the ninties/00's before I was a multimillionair watching the greats like Dravid, Sehwag, Laxman and Kumble vs Younis, Wasim, Waqar and Afridi.  What a shame these matches are dead.

 

Given we are the largest two cricketing loving nations with a fierce rivalry, I wish are cricket boards could look beyond petty differences and re-start 5 test series every second year as a permanment fixture in the cricketing calander.

 

Does anyone else agree or do most think our rivalry is dead and replaced with ODIs and 20T's?

First thing, test cricket although the best format of the game does not resonate with our culture. People from India, Pakistan, and other Asian cultures prefer liveliness, colour, more taste and spice in food and test cricket is the opposite - bland, tedious, elitist and played in whites (qualities of aristocrats from post industrial era western europe).

 

I remember when Sehwag made 300 in Multan at such a fast rate, there was no crowd to watch that game! Imagine the attendance in an English cricket ground when Kevin Pietersen scores a fast 300 and hitting Shane Warne for 5-6 sixes.

[Khota]

48 minutes ago, MechEng said:

Test cricket belongs to an era when life was easier, slow paced and less complicated, when there was no desire for instant gratification.

 

Today we live in information age where rat race is more intense than it was in the industrial age, it's super competitive and failing is strongly discouraged. The old school qualities such as patience has no value today which is why test cricket looks so out of sync with reality when we watch it today on tv.

People who love test cricket should express it with their wallets. Fact that it requires T20 to subsidize it means there is something wrong with this picture.

 

How many of us saw the marathon event in olympics, probably none but everyone remebers usain Bolt. Quick fast and done.

[MCcricket]

Watching India , Pakistan is not fun anymore to be honest, the gap between the two teams is huge, it would be like a practice match, Pakistan cricket has gone down big time, and India has gone up, there are no exciting bowlers to watch even from Pakistan,n their captain looks like a fruit seller, poor guy.

[gakgupta]

On 11/10/2017 at 3:59 AM, Lala2790 said:

Do any other Pakistan/Indian fans wish that we had an ongoing test series against each other like the Ashes rivalry?

 

Obviously theire would need to be consessions from both sides (Pakistan would need to agree not to win every match and India will need to agree not to doctor wikets).  There is so mauch passion and histry between England and Asturalia and it is a pity that are two sides cannot come together and reignite a similar rivalry.  I still recall fondly during the ninties/00's before I was a multimillionair watching the greats like Dravid, Sehwag, Laxman and Kumble vs Younis, Wasim, Waqar and Afridi.  What a shame these matches are dead.

 

Given we are the largest two cricketing loving nations with a fierce rivalry, I wish are cricket boards could look beyond petty differences and re-start 5 test series every second year as a permanment fixture in the cricketing calander.

 

Does anyone else agree or do most think our rivalry is dead and replaced with ODIs and 20T's?

I didn't get that part....

you mean to say that Pakistan is extremely good and can win every test match....Just a reminder, it lost to piss-poor srilanka at home (UAE)

[beetle]

No, we are not interested in any bilatèral test matches.

If there is a test championship, we will play only because there is no option .

[Khota]

1 hour ago, Shaz1 said:

Very well said. I would like to add to that. You tend to remember things more that last longer. With Test cricket lasting for five days you get many memorable moments.

 

 

Twenty20 can only be watched for a little amount of times before it gets predictable. Its a quick indeed but the preditablity factor is too common for any match. I can only watch 7 games of twenty20 till I get bored of it. When I watch other formats like ODI and Test I don’t get the same feeling. 

Predictability ca be said for hockey and football too based on that assmption. There is no way I would watch Test ever. The worst about test cricket is for people to legitimize it use the way proper cricket. I dont think there is anything improper about T20.

[MechEng]

6 hours ago, Khota said:

Predictability ca be said for hockey and football too based on that assmption. There is no way I would watch Test ever. The worst about test cricket is for people to legitimize it use the way proper cricket. I dont think there is anything improper about T20.

I believe there are 2 perspectives on play here - the spectator and the player.

 

When seen from a perspective of a fan, watching a test match is very impractical, I cannot watch a test match beyond first 20 overs, except when Sehwag is batting because he doesn't wait for 40 balls to hit a boundary.

 

When seen from a perspective of a player, it is the best format. The best thing about test cricket is that it allows all variety of players to thrive, if you're batting at 1*(60) it is not seen negatively because it's assumed that you're building a solid innings. In T20s, defensive batsmen would have a very hard time since they are not allowed to get in their rhythm, you have to be quick and innovative with your batting.

Edited November 11, 2017 by MechEng

[Khota]

5 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

Hockey and football are two different games you cannot compare to Test cricket. Unlike those games cricket players build score easily. They are judged on how long they stay on the crease to earn rewards for the team. In football and hockey you earn score by going through a crowd of players to get a point. Many times you won’t see scores reaching big numbers as you do in cricket. So different games, different sort of fans.

 

Cricket in my opinion is best when its played for longer periods of time. Making it shorter decreases the skill factor of the batsmen and bowler. Twenty20 is flash in pan cricket. Hardly as memorable as a great Test win or ODI win. Less played the better it feels. They will soon start Ten10 cricket. You never know whats next.

Ofcourse hockey and football are differnt. 70 mnts, 90 mnts vs 8hrsx 5days, what a joke. It is a relic of bygone era. This is akin to saying travelling by horse is the best as it is an authentic ride and it takes days to complete. If I can afford it I am flying and others can glorify their horse rides.