Why don't teams reverse the batting order on greentops?

[Trichromatic]

Completely reversing it is useless, but teams can try to send lesser batsman at top, best at middle and tail always at end.

[Gollum]

Make these rockstars bat down the order and ensure they feel some shame for being such useless freeloaders. Possibly a tactic that catches England on the wrong foot, but more importantly maybe, just maybe after such a snub these so called specialist batsmen get some fire under their asses and play with more pride and purpose in the future, force them to take some goddamn responsibility. Now with the current arrangement I feel that they will simply get away with excuses like tough conditions, luck, history, past performances etc but if Ishant/Kuldeep bat those same 20 odd balls with similar results these mofos will have nowhere to hide. 

[rkt.india]

24 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Ashwin isn't leaving enough balls, he jabs at almost all deliveries outside off these days. On a good day he may get a rapid 40-45 but on most occasions he will fall for small cameos lasting <20 deliveries....what's the use of 3 stylish cover drive boundaries if he isn't going to last for 15 minutes? Frankly I am sick of his batting these days, so much potential yet such an underachiever. Ishant is an ideal candidate to play many deliveries against quicks with his long stride and defensive mindset...decent technique as well plus he scored some runs in county recently. Wish Bhuvi were here, he would have been an ideal opener/no 3 to shield these morons we accommodate who are clearly unfit to do their jobs. 

Ishant will be bounced out in 1st over.

[Gollum]

6 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Ishant will be bounced out in 1st over.

No it will bounce off his gloves over slips for multiple 4s...more frustration for England. 

[Brainfade]

35 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Completely reversing it is useless, but teams can try to send lesser batsman at top, best at middle and tail always at end.

Seems like a pretty logical extension of the nightwatchman concept.  Should be tried. 

 

 

[mishra]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Ishant will be bounced out in 1st over.

Exactly. Bowlers will break his rib.

At my club, I regularly bowl with new ball and one thing i know for certain. I bowl maiden after maiden on a good wicket as long as ball is new and condition are helping.

 

During the last spell (after 37th over), I get tonked at around 4-6 rpo. Not because I suddenly start bowling badly. Its just that i stop getting any movement.

 

 

Now, In our team we have 2 T20 type openers. They cemented their opening slot in a game by hitting 70+ run and taking off two opener bowlers out of attack within six overs. But that was one time only in about 14 matches. Rest matches, they are generally back by 3-4 overs.

 

 

[Gollum]

Today was the perfect setting to try out this concept. Che-Ishant-Kuldeep-Karthik-Kohli was the way to go in these arduous conditions where play is interrupted every 10 minutes. 

[CG]

Today was the perfect setting to try out this concept. Che-Ishant-Kuldeep-Karthik-Kohli was the way to go in these arduous conditions where play is interrupted every 10 minutes. 

We are doing the same.Our lower order scores more than top order.

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, CG said:

3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Today was the perfect setting to try out this concept. Che-Ishant-Kuldeep-Karthik-Kohli was the way to go in these arduous conditions where play is interrupted every 10 minutes. 

We are doing the same.Our lower order scores more than top order.

Harvest will be richer if the top order can take over the current load of lower order. 

[CG]

Harvest will be richer if the top order can take over the current load of lower order. 

It's Top Order Job to see off the new ball.Its their Forte.

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, CG said:

3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Harvest will be richer if the top order can take over the current load of lower order. 

It's Top Order Job to see off the new ball.Its their Forte.

Exceptional circumstances today my friend. Stop-start-stop plus extreme weather conditions dictate the need to preserve our best resources for more bountiful times. 

[Clarke]

8 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

would have been 6 down by now

Simple as that. Lower order would be sitting ducks in front of a rampaging Anderson & Woakes.

[zen]

Pujara was doing fine in these conditions until his run out 

[Global.Baba]

To answer the OP,Playing against a fresh bowler with a new ball is not an easy task for an opener and you want the tail to handle it?

 

A proper batsman coming in at 0/2 is more realistic than coming in at 10/6.

 

Simple, Everyone has a job to do. Also god forbid if one of the bowlers get injured due to lack of technique against the new ball,then you are further down in crap.

[Clarke]

Lol, like I said, look at woakes bowl. Anderson and Woakes vs Ishant and Shami  I can only imagine the field placement, there would be no one in front of the wicket

[kira]

3 minutes ago, Clarke said:

Lol, like I said, look at woakes bowl. Anderson and Woakes vs Ishant and Shami  I can only imagine the field placement, there would be no one in front of the wicket

Ishant and shami bowled fine in the last match, it is the batting which is screwing things up everytime

[Clarke]

1 minute ago, kira said:

Ishant and shami bowled fine in the last match, it is the batting which is screwing things up everytime

I mean batting opening with Ishant & Shami, look at the thread title

[Moochad]

Doesn't look like such a bad idea anymore

[Gollum]

Well well well. Shed darkness and let there be light for all ....time to accept this proposal wasn't nearly as crazy as initially assumed .  

[Gollum]

Once again, dilemma. Shaw, Mayank, Gill all back, combined 18 balls faced, 1 run scored. Now easy batting conditions and will remain so whole day. 

Edited February 14, 2020 by Gollum