Rahane and Karthik are basically Azhar Ali and Kamran Akmal of India

[jusarrived]

56 minutes ago, Samcric said:

There you go...

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22273135/rahane-strong-candidate-no-4-virat-kohli

 

 

No4 is fine for rahane on these pitches . We need batsmen who can use the pace and be fluent and I think unlike india where he gets exposed it will suit his game .

[SecondSlip]

All this valuable time and exposure that we are wasting on failures like Rahane and Karthik should have been used to build batting benchmark strength for the upcoming World Cup. 

 

Our team is going nowhere in the batting department if we continue like this. 

 

Rahane has gotten so many chances at #4 and blew it. He doesn’t deserve to get more chances again 

[Samcric]

37 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

No4 is fine for rahane on these pitches . We need batsmen who can use the pace and be fluent and I think unlike india where he gets exposed it will suit his game .

If the pitch is 250-par, guys like Rahane/Dhoni are useful. If the pitch is 300-320 par, then the same players have SR issues. So, the success of these two players depend entirely on the pitch.

 

Biggest problem is that it does not help in our preparation of WC 2019. England are almost guaranteed to prepare batting beauties (330-par) as their aggressive batting style will fall apart on wickets that aid bowling. In such a scenario, you need players who can maintain good SR. But yes, I guess it is ok to try Rahane as a short-term "horses-for-courses" pick if the pitch aids fast bowling.

[sandeep]

25 minutes ago, Green Monster said:

azhar can still play the misbah role for us... an anchor off the innings...

 

rahane doesnt make sense for u guys, espeically as u guys are looking at him as a number 4

Azhar wouldn't get anywhere near top 30 ODI players list in India.  But Pakistan doesn't have the same luxury.  Due to Rahane's power deficit, the only place he fits in the batting lineup is in the top 3.   Virat and his 2 bros have those spots on lock-down.  

[jusarrived]

4 minutes ago, Samcric said:

If the pitch is 250-par, guys like Rahane/Dhoni are useful. If the pitch is 300-320 par, then the same players have SR issues. So, the success of these two players depend entirely on the pitch.

 

Biggest problem is that it does not help in our preparation of WC 2019. England are almost guaranteed to prepare batting beauties (330-par) as their aggressive batting style will fall apart on wickets that aid bowling. In such a scenario, you need players who can maintain good SR. But yes, I guess it is ok to try Rahane as a short-term "horses-for-courses" pick if the pitch aids fast bowling.

Dhoni will struggle in SA and Aus , but eng is where he should still do well imo 

[Pollack]

4 hours ago, Temujin Khaghan said:

IPL will give us a good idea...

Ipl gives no idea. 

[Pollack]

Rahane is a miles better ODI batsman than Azhar. No comparison here really. 

[Suhaan]

5 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Rahane is a miles better ODI batsman than Azhar. No comparison here really. 

No need to even say it..it's all in their knowledge,i ts an accepted truth

[Sgattick10]

Lets not insult Rahane and DK by comparing them to below avg cricketers like Akmal and Ali. 

[SecondSlip]

Ajinkya Rahane: 

Innings: 82

Average: 35.27 

Strike rate: 78.71

Centuries: 3 

 

Azhar Ali: 

Innings: 53 

Average: 36.90 

Strike rate: 74.45 

Centuries: 3 

 

Nothing seperating these 2. Neither is a match winner that will win their team the World Cup 

[jinjar]

54 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:

Ajinkya Rahane: 

Innings: 82

Average: 35.27 

Strike rate: 78.71

Centuries: 3 

 

Azhar Ali: 

Innings: 53 

Average: 36.90 

Strike rate: 74.45 

Centuries: 3 

 

Nothing seperating these 2. Neither is a match winner that will win their team the World Cup 

Rahane is one of those ODI players who will never be very bad (as his defense is good to survive for few overs), but he will never win you any game against good opposition. Poor guy only has good enough timing to beat the infield, but can never clear fielders when going over the top. He uses a big swing to hit a six, so his 6's need to be predetermined, he can't just react to a bad ball and clear fielders, he doesn't have enough strength or the leverage (height and arm length) to go from his defense/default shot to 4/6 run shot.

 

2019 world cup will be played on roads in England, we won't need his defense. If only his parent fed him more healthy nutrition while growing up, probably was malnutrition like so many other indians.

Edited January 31, 2018 by jinjar

[Khota]

12 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

ARENT WE TALKING ABOUT odi CRICKET, WHITE BALL , COLORED CLOTHING 

All this 4-5 innings is trash , quality is to be seen

Rahane scored least in SL series rohit scored so much , i dnt think i need to tell you what happ in next series 

 

So when ever there is strategic move to change a batting order its to shield someone wahhhh. 

By that logic whole team was shielded as everyone order went 1 down then normal

 

Karun , manish , iyer all have the game to play modern day LOI cricket then rahane .Rahane cant survive with that s/r in any top team of world ......no wonder he has a poor odi career

 

Those 3 havent even played half games as rahane 

 

M doing a meaningful comparison rahane lacks a lot in LOI

LOW s/r

% of dot balls is high 

doesnt convertstart

struggles in middle overs 

struggles on slow pitches

Cant accelerate much

Doesnt have a range of  shots

 

With so many issues u cant survive in modern cricket for a big team. Yes in SL, WI he will own a place but we arent that poor a side that we need someone to score 40 runs in 60 balls 

 

Dhawan n rohit have been gr8 in odi so no one is questinoning them, in test they have been poor and nothing much has changed in present either

 

 

I was talking about the tests where Rahul scored less than Rahane  You guys doubted rahane and he proved you wrong.

Rahul could not play flat out and he had to be shelded. You can call it a strategic move or being a coward it does not matter. I think Rahul would be fine in the long run but this series was horrendous.

Dhoni gets moved up and down the order in ODI to suit him. He is trying to justify his place. If they play side by side Dinesh will look good. management is scared that Dinesh will suceed so that is why they are not playing him.

Let us discuss some more when the players you back do better than players I back. If not than it is all meaningless.

[Temujin Khaghan]

8 hours ago, Pollack said:

Ipl gives no idea. 

about hitting capacity of various players I meant.

[maniac]

8 hours ago, Pollack said:

Ipl gives no idea. 

It does....T20 might be slam bang cricket but you still need to have some talent to finish games in high stakes situations,score runs against quality bowling...it’s not like just because it is T20

IPl any no talent can start smacking Steyn Starc Cummins Rabada or even Ashwin Tahir Jadeja Zampa etc etc 

[Khota]

You need a much better hand eye coordination to score in T20 at high level. Compared to test cricket you have to get your timings right from the first ball. IPL gives a very good idea.

[Ankit_sharma03]

14 hours ago, jinjar said:

Rahane is one of those ODI players who will never be very bad (as his defense is good to survive for few overs), but he will never win you any game against good opposition. Poor guy only has good enough timing to beat the infield, but can never clear fielders when going over the top. He uses a big swing to hit a six, so his 6's need to be predetermined, he can't just react to a bad ball and clear fielders, he doesn't have enough strength or the leverage (height and arm length) to go from his defense/default shot to 4/6 run shot.

 

2019 world cup will be played on roads in England, we won't need his defense. If only his parent fed him more healthy nutrition while growing up, probably was malnutrition like so many other indians.

If only he doeesnt throw his wkts after getting starts and if only he improves  his strike rotation n doest play many dot balls he wont be needing sixes . Look at kohl's game there is no best xample for him 

And rahane can hit a few sixes , which is enough if ur good with strike rotation

u look at gambhir, kohli, dhoni they were good as a big part of their game was strike rotation. 

 

Rahane hits a boundary in an over and then play 5 dots , hence only 4 runs in 6 balls . No point doing that.

 

N this day n age of game u need match winner or atleast utility cricketers and rahane is neither. Just good enough to sit on bench till the next generation makes even that a tough thing for him 

[sandeep]

15 hours ago, SecondSlip said:

Ajinkya Rahane: 

Innings: 82

Average: 35.27 

Strike rate: 78.71

Centuries: 3 

 

Azhar Ali: 

Innings: 53 

Average: 36.90 

Strike rate: 74.45 

Centuries: 3 

 

Nothing seperating these 2. Neither is a match winner that will win their team the World Cup 

Please update their stats, excluding minnows.   There is a gulf of class between Rahane and Azhar Ali - no disrespect to Ali, he's a gritty player whom I have respect for.  

[jinjar]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

If only he doeesnt throw his wkts after getting starts and if only he improves  his strike rotation n doest play many dot balls he wont be needing sixes . Look at kohl's game there is no best xample for him 

And rahane can hit a few sixes , which is enough if ur good with strike rotation

u look at gambhir, kohli, dhoni they were good as a big part of their game was strike rotation. 

 

Rahane hits a boundary in an over and then play 5 dots , hence only 4 runs in 6 balls . No point doing that.

 

N this day n age of game u need match winner or atleast utility cricketers and rahane is neither. Just good enough to sit on bench till the next generation makes even that a tough thing for him 

LOI's you need to be able to clear fielders, Kohli is very much capable of doing that, remember the punch six over long on in england match?, watch Kohli under 19 matches where he hits sixes over deep cover, he chooses to play it along the ground to reduce chances of getting out. Even if Rahane plays long innings, if the chase is over 350, and others in the team fail that day, you can bet he wont be able to win the match get MOM.

 

Rahane is not capable of doing that, he can't switch to attack and go berserk. He is ODI player from 2000's, where max scores were less than 300.

 

Rohit has terrific position at crease, he can switch from neutral/defense position to 4/6 naturally for a less than good ball. He won games by himself for India, so don't compare him to Rahane, who has yet to do that.