SecondSlip Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 Why are these 2 still in the scheme of things for ODIs? Does the captain and team management actually believe that these 2 tried and tested failures will help us win the World Cup next year? We definitely have better players than these 2 in the country yet they don't get a chance because of these undeserving guys. Does anyone actually believe that these 2 are match winning ODI players? Doubt it. Team India needs to build strong batting bench strength in the next year and a half before the World Cup. This is one big area which we are clearly lacking in and needs to be improved fast. We need to try out players like KL Rahul, Manish Pandey, Shreyas Iyer, Rishabh Pant, Krunal Pandya etc. and give them lots of matches rather than wasting time on these 2 proven failures. These guys are so bad that they can single handedly cost us the World Cup. We have ODI's lined up in South Africa, England, Australia and New Zealand before the World Cup. Plenty of opportunities to give some deserving batsmen chances and build our batting bench strength. I hope that we don't repeat the same mistake that we did in the Champion's Trophy when we had these 2 and Yuvraj Singh as pure passengers in the squad. All 15 players in the final squad should be match winners! Let's see how it goes! velu 1
sarcastic Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, SecondSlip said: Why are these 2 still in the scheme of things for ODIs? Does the captain and team management actually believe that these 2 tried and tested failures will help us win the World Cup next year? We definitely have better players than these 2 in the country yet they don't get a chance because of these undeserving guys. Does anyone actually believe that these 2 are match winning ODI players? Doubt it. Team India needs to build strong batting bench strength in the next year and a half before the World Cup. This is one big area which we are clearly lacking in and needs to be improved fast. We need to try out players like KL Rahul, Manish Pandey, Shreyas Iyer, Rishabh Pant, Krunal Pandya etc. and give them lots of matches rather than wasting time on these 2 proven failures. These guys are so bad that they can single handedly cost us the World Cup. We have ODI's lined up in South Africa, England, Australia and New Zealand before the World Cup. Plenty of opportunities to give some deserving batsmen chances and build our batting bench strength. I hope that we don't repeat the same mistake that we did in the Champion's Trophy when we had these 2 and Yuvraj Singh as pure passengers in the squad. All 15 players in the final squad should be match winners! Let's see how it goes! I am waiting for Rahane to give you a phainty! He does well against Saffies and I hope he will do that this time too....
SecondSlip Posted January 30, 2018 Author Posted January 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, sarcastic said: I am waiting for Rahane to give you a phainty! He does well against Saffies and I hope he will do that this time too.... Your username matches very well with this post. sarcastic, Laaloo, maniac and 1 other 4
Khota Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Name a better batsman and a wkt kpg batsman and I will listen. These two are the best.
Shy9 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Please do not compares with others, every player has their own style Virat has his own style to piles of runs than SRT.
rkt.india Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 7 hours ago, Khota said: Name a better batsman and a wkt kpg batsman and I will listen. These two are the best. but karthik is playing as a batsman and not wk/bat. i am sure we could chances to younger bats who would be ready by WC rather than bringing back a TTF.
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 8 hours ago, Khota said: Name a better batsman and a wkt kpg batsman and I will listen. These two are the best. Better batsman then rahane KL rahul Manish Pandey Iyer karun nair vijay shankar In IPL we ll knw how shubhman gil plays international bowler, in terms of game even he is better They all can do better in ODI then Rahane Better keeper batsman Pant Samson Kishen Karthik keeping and international record as batsman is in itself a poor benchmark SecondSlip 1
Khota Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, rkt.india said: but karthik is playing as a batsman and not wk/bat. i am sure we could chances to younger bats who would be ready by WC rather than bringing back a TTF. That is a mistake not to play him as wkt kpg batsman. If I am the coach I will give three games to karthick and three to the grandfather. Then compare and contrast and I have a gut feeling he will come out ahead of grandfather. Dhoni playing is a abuse of the system. Moreover Karthick as a pure batsman is not bad either. He probably is top 10 bat for India. For me youth is a non factor. Media loves yout and people love youth. I will take the best performer any day any time. You do need to bring youth in but thru India A and then the top performers get in. No fast tracking the youth. pant and Samson will be good but they need time. Karthick over these two is a very easy choice for me today. WC is far away and team for WC should be picked only one month in advance. Edited January 31, 2018 by Khota saik 1
Khota Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Better batsman then rahane KL rahul Manish Pandey Iyer karun nair vijay shankar In IPL we ll knw how shubhman gil plays international bowler, in terms of game even he is better They all can do better in ODI then Rahane Better keeper batsman Pant Samson Kishen Karthik keeping and international record as batsman is in itself a poor benchmark Rahul scored less in 4 innings then Rahane in one. So rahul he is the better batsman.he was shielded by PP the next innings so let us not go there. Iyer, Manish and Karun are good but not at the level of Rohit, Rahane and Dhawan. Throw the stats out of the window and only do a meaningful comparison like it is easy to compare rahul with others. He is not at the level these three but I do agree he has a much higher ceiling. One day he will be great hopefully.
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, Khota said: Rahul scored less in 4 innings then Rahane in one. ARENT WE TALKING ABOUT odi CRICKET, WHITE BALL , COLORED CLOTHING All this 4-5 innings is trash , quality is to be seen Rahane scored least in SL series rohit scored so much , i dnt think i need to tell you what happ in next series 9 minutes ago, Khota said: So rahul he is the better batsman.he was shielded by PP the next innings so let us not go there. So when ever there is strategic move to change a batting order its to shield someone wahhhh. By that logic whole team was shielded as everyone order went 1 down then normal 9 minutes ago, Khota said: Iyer, Manish and Karun are good but not at the level of Rohit, Rahane and Dhawan. Throw the stats out of the window and only do a meaningful comparison like it is easy to compare rahul with others. He is not at the level these three but I do agree he has a much higher ceiling. One day he will be great hopefully. Karun , manish , iyer all have the game to play modern day LOI cricket then rahane .Rahane cant survive with that s/r in any top team of world ......no wonder he has a poor odi career Those 3 havent even played half games as rahane M doing a meaningful comparison rahane lacks a lot in LOI LOW s/r % of dot balls is high doesnt convertstart struggles in middle overs struggles on slow pitches Cant accelerate much Doesnt have a range of shots With so many issues u cant survive in modern cricket for a big team. Yes in SL, WI he will own a place but we arent that poor a side that we need someone to score 40 runs in 60 balls Dhawan n rohit have been gr8 in odi so no one is questinoning them, in test they have been poor and nothing much has changed in present either
WC2011INDIA Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 17 hours ago, sarcastic said: I am waiting for Rahane to give you a phainty! He does well against Saffies and I hope he will do that this time too.... He is a back up opener, so chances of being in playing 11 are bleak.
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 17 hours ago, sarcastic said: I am waiting for Rahane to give you a phainty! He does well against Saffies and I hope he will do that this time too.... i knw he does well against saffers and he might enjoy these pitches to but u cant pick one player becoz he plays well against one team
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Khota said: That is a mistake not to play him as wkt kpg batsman. If I am the coach I will give three games to karthick and three to the grandfather. Then compare and contrast and I have a gut feeling he will come out ahead of grandfather. Dhoni playing is a abuse of the system. Moreover Karthick as a pure batsman is not bad either. He probably is top 10 bat for India. For me youth is a non factor. Media loves yout and people love youth. I will take the best performer any day any time. You do need to bring youth in but thru India A and then the top performers get in. No fast tracking the youth. pant and Samson will be good but they need time. Karthick over these two is a very easy choice for me today. WC is far away and team for WC should be picked only one month in advance. they both played 3 against against same lanka and on same pitches Grand daddy made 72 runs and kartik 26 in 2 innings each Grand daddy has outscored him in whole career infact took his place for next many yrs and he still does better then him
WC2011INDIA Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: i knw he does well against saffers and he might enjoy these pitches to but u cant pick one player becoz he plays well against one team Funny thing is that in the world T20 semi finals, lendl Simmons was brought in just because he had many good innings on that Mumbai track thanks to his IPL franchise. Edited January 31, 2018 by WC2011INDIA
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, WC2011INDIA said: Funny thing is that in the world T20 semi finals, lendl Simmons was brought in just because he had many good innings on that Mumbai track thanks to his IPL franchise. and he also had the game for t20 international , bigges problem with rahane is he doesnt have the game for modern LOI Edited January 31, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03
Turbanator Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 58 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: ARENT WE TALKING ABOUT odi CRICKET, WHITE BALL , COLORED CLOTHING All this 4-5 innings is trash , quality is to be seen Rahane scored least in SL series rohit scored so much , i dnt think i need to tell you what happ in next series So when ever there is strategic move to change a batting order its to shield someone wahhhh. By that logic whole team was shielded as everyone order went 1 down then normal Karun , manish , iyer all have the game to play modern day LOI cricket then rahane .Rahane cant survive with that s/r in any top team of world ......no wonder he has a poor odi career Those 3 havent even played half games as rahane M doing a meaningful comparison rahane lacks a lot in LOI LOW s/r % of dot balls is high doesnt convertstart struggles in middle overs struggles on slow pitches Cant accelerate much Doesnt have a range of shots With so many issues u cant survive in modern cricket for a big team. Yes in SL, WI he will own a place but we arent that poor a side that we need someone to score 40 runs in 60 balls Dhawan n rohit have been gr8 in odi so no one is questinoning them, in test they have been poor and nothing much has changed in present either Why are you arguing with a well known troll? SecondSlip 1
Samcric Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, WC2011INDIA said: He is a back up opener, so chances of being in playing 11 are bleak. There you go... http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22273135/rahane-strong-candidate-no-4-virat-kohli sarcastic 1
jusarrived Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Since rahane is already in the squad , I would actually open with him and drop rohit down the order , use rahane as a floater in this series if the pitches are flat only then open with rohit
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