Overhyped batting line up - this Indian team reeks of mediocrity

[rkt.india]

11 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

I disagree . There is enough talent around , the same set of batsmen hardly had one failure in our last set of away tours , they would have been better prepared if not for our captain clueless . 

Virat is the only batsmen in the line up whos not been dropped in the last 2-3 years , so its not very surprising that hes the only one who looks good . 

This is the biggest reason. no batsman is settled. 1-2 failures and dropped.  

[rkt.india]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

We really need atleast another test batsman who is a consistent performer both in Asia and outside.

 

Hoped either or both of Rahane and Pujara will be so ... they have the game to do it but just being test specialists is perhaps affecting them mentally.

 

I am not sure Rahul has the hunger for success needed to be a superlative test performer, at least as of today. May develop it later, who knows !

unless they get consistent run, they won't be able to do. every batsman has been dropped from this team in the past one-two years. they need to identify some batsman and play them consistently.  You need to have a settled line up.  Rahul should play all matches even if he fails this series.  All good to great batsmen have failed at some point.  The worst thing is insecurity that these batsman have faced in last 1-2 years.

[jusarrived]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

This is the biggest reason. no batsman is settled. 1-2 failures and dropped.  

 

Yup and I really hope Subnam and Prithvi dont debut anytime soon . They are better off getting a steady run in A team or domestic .

[express bowling]

33 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

unless they get consistent run, they won't be able to do. every batsman has been dropped from this team in the past one-two years. they need to identify some batsman and play them consistently.  You need to have a settled line up.  Rahul should play all matches even if he fails this series.  All good to great batsmen have failed at some point.  The worst thing is insecurity that these batsman have faced in last 1-2 years.

 

Rahane got a consistent run for around 40 tests, before he was unfairly dropped in South Africa for 2 tests.  He can't blame his low average in the last 3 years to this reason.

 

Pujara failed on the 3 SENA tours in 2014 when he was a regular in the team. So, that can't be due to your reason. Before this series, Pujara had been dropped on 2 occasions, once in mid 2015 in SL and the next time in mid 2016 in the WI. Had an uninterrupted run of 2 years after that.

His SENA country low averages are not due to your reason.  He actually did rather well after he came back from being dropped on those 2 occasions.

Edited August 3, 2018 by express bowling

[Clarke]

Lets just say it was the first real English conditions/bowling test. There's plenty more chances to separate the grain from the chaff. 

[rkt.india]

24 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Rahane got a consistent run for around 40 tests, before he was unfairly dropped in South Africa for 2 tests.  He can't blame his low average in the last 3 years to this reason.

 

Pujara failed on the 3 SENA tours in 2014 when he was a regular in the team. So, that can't be due to your reason. Before this series, Pujara had been dropped on 2 occasions, once in mid 2015 in SL and the next time in mid 2016 in the WI. Had an uninterrupted run of 2 years after that.

His SENA country low averages are not due to your reason.  He actually did rather well after he came back from being dropped on those 2 occasions.

it is not as simple. he did well after those drops only at home where he was doing well before too.  But when he again toured overseas, that fear of being dropped again clutters the mind.  

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

it is not as simple. he did well after those drops only at home where he was doing well before too.  But when he again toured overseas, that fear of being dropped again clutters the mind.  

 

As I said, Pujara failed in the 3 SENA tours in 2014 when he was a regular.  On the SA tour of 2018, he had been a regular for 18 months and in no fear of losing his place.  

 

Pujara does not have the confidence to score consistently outside Asia even when he is a regular.

 

You are completely ignoring the lack of hunger for success and / or mental toughness of the inconsistent batsman, which is often the biggest reason for failure.

 

 

Edited August 3, 2018 by express bowling

[Clarke]

Chalo, a new inning to start, a chance to wipe out the sins of first inning. 

[Vk1]

I suspect it's the too much comfort and absolute lack of pressure to perform as the reason for this situation. Especially the batsmen. We are virtually playing the same set of batsmen since 5 years now and they can't put bat to ball in overseas. 

 

You do overtly well in easy conditions like scoring a century in a session against minnows or scoring heavily in the subcontinent, boost averages and perform poorly overseas. Rinse repeat.

Edited August 3, 2018 by Vk1

[express bowling]

Vijay is a regular in this team ... but shows no grit and fails in both innings.

[zen]

Overhyped by Indian fans .... from what I posted in the match thread:

 

As commentators said - Eng took the review because it was Kohli .... if it was Rahane or DK, Eng would not have taken it. That sums up the opposition's view on our batting strength in these conditions 

[Vk1]

If our overseas record has to improve that too when England is such a weak team, proteas in transition and Aussies preparing flat decks... We need batsmen who are special talents and can become future legends. That's how we did well in the past in overseas.. with great batsmen who play equally well overseas... Not these Vijay, dhawan kind of mediocres.. Pujara, Rahane kind of mental midget guys.

[Straight Drive]

The batting lineup of Shikhar, Vijay, Rahul and Rahane in these conditions is worst since the 80's.

[zen]

Just now, Straight Drive said:

The batting lineup of Shikhar, Vijay, Rahul and Rahane in these conditions is worst since the 80's.

in 80s, we had Gavaskar, Amarnath and Kapil, who used to play gems here and there .... later Azhar joined 

[Straight Drive]

Just now, zen said:

in 80s, we had Gavaskar, Amarnath and Kapil, who used to play gems here and there .... later Azhar joined 

Amarnath was better than these hyped batters. At least he survived in tough conditions more than these lot.

 

 

[PBN]

wrong thread

Edited August 3, 2018 by PBN

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Amarnath was better than these hyped batters. At least he survived in tough conditions more than these lot.

 

 

Amarnath in Aus, Eng, NZ and WI (no SA in his time):

 

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[Lannister]

I think even England wouldn't have chased this score or for that matter any other team. After the advent of T20s and IPL, players except one or two, have just lost the ability to grind out the innings and play a patience game. So it's not entirely our batsman. 

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