Michael Holding - Pandya is not next Kapil Dev

[Lala]

16 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Remember how Irfan's inswinger troubled your best batsman of those times Younis Khan and how he performed against your team. 

 

Also he has as good record as Andrew Flintoff. Much better than Azhar Mahmood and Abdul Mazzak.

Razzak & Flintoff are real allrounders.What happend to the Irfun Pattern after that test vs Pak?  We have seen such bowlers once in a while then and there make trouble  teams. There are lucky days for such players. He was missing after that series. 

[S_pace]

For all the criticism he's getting just remember he was the best batsman behind Kohli in the 1 test match.

In first innings he was brought on when Bairstow was killing the deliveries of Ishant and Shami. He wasn't fully used. 

Anyway whatever we discuss here the teams gonna be pretty much same for second test.

[R!TTER]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Told u read again

he kept getting injured post 2012 SL series , no one will pick an injured player 

praveen n vk werent lower then 120

PAthan was bowling 115k during that time, u can pull out SMA game of 2-3 yrs back where had to bowl 4 overs only n yet his pace was down

 

Past doesnt matter a crickter can dip a lot, yuvraj dipped like no one....gambhir dipped 

 

Karachi was a lush green track, u dnt get such tracks every day . On that track even binny wud have wrecked havoc 

In the 2nd innings he looked toothless when conditions became easy 

 

no point quoting 2006,08, 12.........coz he wasnt the same post that 

How about you read basic facts and history?

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21132209/irfan-pathan-asked-help-get-it

 

Really, care to check cricinfo commentary or better yet, tell me the games where Pathan avg lower speeds than them over a game or series?

 

He didn't lose pace, he cut down his pace to regain swing, which he did post 2006/07 season.

 

What about SA, Eng or NZ? You think he couldn't swing the ball over there?

 

Yes and Binny had that kind of control? Even Zaheer couldn't control swing as masterfully as Pathan did at times.

 

So did everyone else.

 

That was the reign under Dhoni, so why are dodging that question?

[Straight Drive]

1 minute ago, Lala said:

Razzak & Flintoff are real allrounders.What happend to the Irfun Pattern after that test vs Pak?  We have seen such bowlers once in a while then and there make trouble  teams. There are lucky days for such players. He was missing after that series. 

Abdul Mazzak was ODI level all rounder only.

[vvvslaxman]

Kapil could qualify purely as a batsman or a bowler for India. On top of that he was one of the greatest fielder ever to play for India. e could field anywhere on the ground including slips and be safe. He could effect more direct hits than any other Indian fielder. Pandya can neither qualify purely as a batsman nor purely as a bowler. Bits and pieces player at best. We just hope we have a bit with batting piece with bowling. Right now not happening.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, R!TTER said:

How about you read basic facts and history?

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21132209/irfan-pathan-asked-help-get-it

 

Really, care to check cricinfo commentary or better yet, tell me the games where Pathan avg lower speeds than them over a game or series?

 

He didn't lose pace, he cut down his pace to regain swing, which he did post 2006/07 season.

 

What about SA, Eng or NZ? You think he couldn't swing the ball over there?

 

Yes and Binny had that kind of control? Even Zaheer couldn't control swing as masterfully as Pathan did at times.

 

So did everyone else.

 

That was the reign under Dhoni, so why are dodging that question?

that interview is the one of the excuses he keeps giving every 6 mnths

 

to regain swing he cut down on pace....stop talking like manju 

 

he lots pace becoz he kept tweaking his action, see his action when he came in after few yrs

his runup, pivot, jump everything changed hencse resulted in low pace. He started loosing pace when he came back from injury during 2005 Ind-pak series where he changed his action n all of sudden became open chested ( till then chappel didnt even become coach)

then he switched back to his action but wasnt putting in all 

 

Zak was a diff kind of bowler n was not going through gr8 form at that time , those pitches were ideal for PK, vinay, bhuvi, binny types

 

What question

The meer fact that ppl blame chappell, dhoni n n everyone for his downfall shud think at the end he himself was responsible .............they both came n went yet irfan was no were 

[zen]

This is turning in to a comedy thread for the anti-Pandya bridge, who are trying to hang to the straws (What Holding thinks)

Edited August 5, 2018 by zen

[Rightarmfast]

he is a tad better than bits and pieces, but certainly it doesnt take an expert to say Pandya is a hack. 

[Lannister]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

but we arent having issues with bowling, we have picked up 20 wkts in last 4 test ........despite dropping so many catches. 

5th bowler will further weaken our batting only

We should've restricted them below 150 in both the innings as their batting unit is very ordinary. Both Ishant and Yadav didn't do well in the first innings and we couldn't depend on Hardik's bowling. Whenever Stokes came on to bowl, he took wickets. That's what we are lacking in overseas Tests, a proper 5th bowler. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

What about SA, Eng or NZ? You think he couldn't swing the ball over there?

jst becoz he cudnt swing the ball u shud take him

what about his poor form, fitness.............if he is out due to injury why wud anyone take him

 

Why wud any selector select if he declares himself injured every domestic season n declares himself fit for IPL. U dnt get selected in test on basis of IPL cricket 

[Austin 3:!6]

People are sometimes too harsh on Pandya...I think he is not the issue here. We have bigger worries in our team. If anything, Pandya showed most committment with bat after Kohli. He just need to brush up his bowling a bit and can be great asset in long term. What an India hater like Holding says is irrelevant.

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[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Lannister said:

We should've restricted them below 150 in both the innings as their batting unit is very ordinary. Both Ishant and Yadav didn't do well in the first innings and we couldn't depend on Hardik's bowling. Whenever Stokes came on to bowl, he took wickets. That's what we are lacking in overseas Tests, a proper 5th bowler. 

catch pakd lete to 120 pe out ho jate 

if not for pandya , kohli in both innings wud have that partnership n our batting scored wud have been lower 

 

stokes is an experienced cricketer who is bowling at home, the comparison between 2 in unfair ..............at start of his career even stokes have gone through a lot of right patches and his batting is still a struggle

 

Let pandya play as much as stokes 1st to be even compared

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

People are sometimes too harsh on Pandya...I think he is not the issue here. We have bigger worries in our team. If anything, Pandya showed most committment with bat after Kohli. He just need to brush up his bowling a bit and can be great asset in long term. What an India hater like Holding says is irrelevant.

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he is jst an easy target 

play extra batsman ........koi farq nhin padne wala.....piche bhi koi bradman nhin baitha

play extra bowler ........the runs pandya made n more importantly the partnership he had with kohli wo bhi nhin rehni 

 

[sandeep]

47 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Ben Stokes wasn't made in England he was forged in Aus, for a pace A/R not picking up wickets is SA, Eng is akin to a spinner not picking up wickets in India.

 

Stokes is a product of an FC system that produces dozens of pace bowling allrounders.  Each of the 18 county teams and their 2nd XIs will have at least one if not more of that type of player.  Those numbers are likely to produce a top-shelf player once in a while.  Same system struggles to come up with spinners - of any kind. And they have to make the most of players like Rashid, Moeen, Bess etc and try and develop the really good ones that come along once in a while - like Graeme Swann.

 

55 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

His value in this current team is 2 or 3 out of 10 at best. For someone who's not picking up regular wickets in SA or Eng, does none think he might simply not be good enough. Why does everyone assume he'll automatically pick up wickets if he bowls more, do you know more than the rest of us? Why do you think Koach doesn't have the confidence to give him more than 10 overs even on these kinds of surfaces?

I would put it around 5/6 or so at the moment.  With the realistic potential to raise it to 7/8, which would be absolutely great for our test squad.  

 

I'm not a blind backer of Pandya in the test XI, and in fact wouldn't have picked him for the Edgbaston test - but having been picked, I am honest enough to admit that he acquitted himself quite well.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

How about you read basic facts and history?

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21132209/irfan-pathan-asked-help-get-it

 

Really, care to check cricinfo commentary or better yet, tell me the games where Pathan avg lower speeds than them over a game or series?

 

He didn't lose pace, he cut down his pace to regain swing, which he did post 2006/07 season.

 

What about SA, Eng or NZ? You think he couldn't swing the ball over there?

Also btw in 2006-07 on eng n Sa tour, dravid was the captain......why didnt he take him.......where did dhoni come from

[sandeep]

6 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

he is a tad better than bits and pieces, but certainly it doesnt take an expert to say Pandya is a hack. 

If the team can have a hack opening the batting in test matches, what's the reason to bash away a #6/7 batsman who offers you double-digit decent overs every inning, at a quality - minimum, better than some filler part-time overs?

[vvvslaxman]

His bowling is more important than batting. If he is role is just giving breather to bowlers i would have Jadeja. But i agree his batting is better than some of the specialist batsmen. But they play against new ball. Will he cope against relatively newer ball. If so drop Rahane and bring Jadeja in.

Edited August 5, 2018 by vvvslaxman

[zen]

This thread is a new low for any anti-player brigade

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, Lala said:

Im pretty sure Pandya's fate will be ended similar to Irfan Pathan's.  

 

You wish Faheem Ashraf was half as good as Pandya.  Keep wishing and spouting trash.  

[Austin 3:!6]

His bowling is more important than batting. If he is role is just giving breather to bowlers i would have Jadeja. But i agree his batting is better than some of the specialist batsmen. But they play against new ball. Will he cope against relatively newer ball. If so drop Rahane and bring Jadeja in.

And that is where bowling coach must work with him. If I recall, Pandya's bowling was not that bad up until last year. Its detoriated a lot for some unknown reason. Someone like Agarkar/Zak can help Pandya in bowling dept.

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