Please drop Pandya to maintain Test cricket’s sanctity.

[adi B]

2 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

 

Watto was a much better bowler than Hardik Pandya.Even he got dropped few times in career and was asked to make comeback.Don't recollect exactly how many times he was dropped but it is probably more than twice.

 

Mclaren flopped and got dropped. Haven't checked records but I don't think McLaren played more than 10 tests. Dropped due to flopping as an all-rounder.

 

Chris Cairns was a proper all-rounder. And he had a achieved good career for an all rounder.

 

CDG like Hardik is WIP.

 

Holder is one who is more likely to become a proper all rounder than many across various countries. Sammy was tried but dropped due to failure in bowling as well as batting. 

 

Hardik too is WIP but needs lot of work.And if he does not performs then he can be dropped and comeback is always an option. Sometimes players need that to come out as better cricketer.But then the runs and wickets have to be taken at acceptable average and sr. Else he will have more breaks in career.The point you make that one should be given before being asked to go back to domestic and make a comeback post improvements  is a valid one. Don't think hardik will be dropped once for all.It will be team requirement if he is rested in next one or two tests. If he is not picked after 15-20 tests for series then its like getting dropped and asking to make comeback.

 

 

 

Agree with your last para. I am not saying HP will deliver the goods straightaway but what the management expects from him ,I think he's delivering ok.

HP hasn't failed yet and the manageent wants him to remain till the end of this away cycle and then take a call and Even if HP Is dropped for good ,he should take it as a break to improve his game and Come back stronger  .HP has still lot to learn,he might improve his game along the tours ,many players did that 

[putrevus]

14 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

 

Watto was a much better bowler than Hardik Pandya.Even he got dropped few times in career and was asked to make comeback.Don't recollect exactly how many times he was dropped but it is probably more than twice.

 

Mclaren flopped and got dropped. Haven't checked records but I don't think McLaren played more than 10 tests. Dropped due to flopping as an all-rounder.

 

Chris Cairns was a proper all-rounder. And he had a achieved good career for an all rounder.

 

CDG like Hardik is WIP.

 

Holder is one who is more likely to become a proper all rounder than many across various countries. Sammy was tried but dropped due to failure in bowling as well as batting. 

 

Hardik too is WIP but needs lot of work.And if he does not performs then he can be dropped and comeback is always an option. Sometimes players need that to come out as better cricketer.But then the runs and wickets have to be taken at acceptable average and sr. Else he will have more breaks in career.The point you make that one should be given before being asked to go back to domestic and make a comeback post improvements  is a valid one. Don't think hardik will be dropped once for all.It will be team requirement if he is rested in next one or two tests. If he is not picked after 15-20 tests for series then its like getting dropped and asking to make comeback.

 

 

 

You are spot on.

[Straight Drive]

2 minutes ago, adi B said:

Agree with your last para. I am not saying HP will deliver the goods straightaway but what the management expects from him ,I think he's delivering ok.

HP hasn't failed yet and the manageent wants him to remain till the end of this away cycle and then take a call and Even if HP Is dropped for good ,he should take it as a break to improve his game and Come back stronger  .HP has still lot to learn,he might improve his game along the tours ,many players did that 

Very few players start career with a bang. Even Hardik had a wonderful debut series. 

 

When a player is WIP or rather first phase of career, it should not be looked as failed or dropped permanently. Most cricketers have made a comeback and there are some renowned cricketers in that list. At times it reaches a point when team cannot carry on the WIP for longer time. Results become key to maintain place in squad.If it's a golden home series which we had with lot of home tests played previous year or so, we could have accommodated a WIP for longer term. Probably we are playing a lot of away series which started from the SA series. So the wins will not be easy and it will not be easy for management to go for subjective aspects rather than results.Whom we play next few months will be a deciding factor on the continuity of players who are yet to establish a place permanently in the team.

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Is their any youngster like that in domestic circuuit i doubt

but if they do find someone better, select him........what important is whats good for the team

I really hope nagarkotti develops into one specially his batting 

Who said he isnt???

Kapil cud only get a place as fast bowler in any indian side, pandya plays a diff role

 

Kapil was the spearhead of bowling, use to get new ball n tons of overs 

Pandya gets the bowl to give others rest or as a change if nothing is happening 

 

Stokes can play as batsman , he is in awfull form in bat but still provides balance and is contributing with ball as these conidtion favours him but when team needed him in India he failed 

 

Let pandya play as much as them, u dnt develop so much skills in 8 test

Ganguly- No one grows by sittiing on bench

At this point acc to me, many he is brings something to team ......many are against that thought 

But he is playing coz team needs to play that role. 

At the end it all comes down to specialist doing their jon

Going for a speialist batsman- which bradman is warming benches....even if someone is good.....their is already vacany in batting. let him play their 

Going for extra bowler- yea we are already struggling to score runs, how many more wkts then we want to taken then 20 

No Kapil scored 1000 runs and 100 wickets after first 25 tests.Pandya is nowhere close to acheiving that milestone especially as a bowler.So for Pandya to justify his place he needs to average in late 40s with bat not 35. Conditions don't favor Pandya as a bowler but they favour Stokes.

 

Anyone can be in awful form with bat but where allrounders make their mark is their ability to contribute with ball just like what Stoke did last test. Pandya in his wildest dreams will not be able to deliver with ball that is the point about him.

 

You are just looking at 8 tests , I am looking at his bigger picture and his overall development as a cricketer. Pandya has not shown any signs of impovement.He was awful thru out the SA tour after his innings in first test that includes Odis and T20s.

 

He did not light up IPL either. Stokes won MVP in IPL that is his caliber.Show me one thing Pandya has improved ???

 

Just becuase your current batsmen are awful you don't force Pandya onto the team.You don't become better by sitting on bench but you don't make an average player into a great one by playing him.

 

I don't mind Pandya playing whole series but if he does not perform he needs to be dropped and asked to go back to domestic cricket.

[Ankit_sharma03]

34 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No Kapil scored 1000 runs and 100 wickets after first 25 tests.Pandya is nowhere close to acheiving that milestone especially as a bowler.So for Pandya to justify his place he needs to average in late 40s with bat not 35. Conditions don't favor Pandya as a bowler but they favour Stokes.

Again ill repeat -

About 1000 runs- he ll achieve that by 25 test 

 

About bowling - 

Kapil cud only get a place as fast bowler in any indian side, pandya plays a diff role

 

Kapil was the spearhead of bowling, use to get new ball n tons of overs 

Pandya gets the bowl to give others rest or as a change if nothing is happening 

 

Huge diff, Kapil was a Wc bowler....pandya has talent but is raw

 

About 100 wkts- look at ur expectation 25 test from from a batting all rounder whose home ground wkts suppourt spinners. Even ur frontline pacer didnt take 100 wkts in 25 tests

 

These are ur front line pacer and look even they took more then 25 test and u expect that from a batting all rounder

 

zak- 37 test

Ishant-  33

srinath - 28

shami- 29

Umesh- 37 test 

agarkar played 26 test and jst reached 58 wkts 

Irfan pathan has 100 wkts in 29 test but if i take his bang n zimb wkts out , he has 58 wkts in 23 test 

 

Expectation men logic rkho 

 

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Anyone can be in awful form with bat but where allrounders make their mark is their ability to contribute with ball just like what Stoke did last test. Pandya in his wildest dreams will not be able to deliver with ball that is the point about him.

Lets see regd that, he has a huge career ahead of him

Nobody in their wildest dream also expected him make 90+ in Sa against that attack , neither him getting a MOM for his bowling on Debut 

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You are just looking at 8 tests , I am looking at his bigger picture and his overall development as a cricketer. Pandya has not shown any signs of impovement.He was awful thru out the SA tour after his innings in first test that includes Odis and T20s.

His bowling was really good in ODi

N also do u consider every batsman failed apart from kohli, who is an outstanding batsman

Do u consider that condition n opposition bowlers (rabada, steyn, morkel, ngidi, philander, anderson, broad) its really hard to score in these condition against n them n u want consistency 

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He did not light up IPL either. Stokes won MVP in IPL that is his caliber.Show me one thing Pandya has improved ???

Did u watch IPL, he was a purple cap holder this IPL for a while n he was the reason this that off track mumbai got back in picture

Stokes was aweful this yr 

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Just becuase your current batsmen are awful you don't force Pandya onto the team.You don't become better by sitting on bench but you don't make an average player into a great one by playing him.

Neither u make ur team better by dropping ur 2nd highest scorer in last 5 test 

 

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I don't mind Pandya playing whole series but if he does not perform he needs to be dropped and asked to go back to domestic cricket.

ok let him play whole series then lets take a call why to jump gun after 1st test where he wasnt the worse thing 

Edited August 8, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[The Dark Horse]

It's difficult to drop him after the last test, but his place in the test squad long term is questionable..He needs to pick more wickets or be more useful to the team.

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Again ill repeat -

About 1000 runs- he ll achieve that by 25 test 

 

About bowling - 

Kapil cud only get a place as fast bowler in any indian side, pandya plays a diff role

 

Kapil was the spearhead of bowling, use to get new ball n tons of overs 

Pandya gets the bowl to give others rest or as a change if nothing is happening 

 

Huge diff, Kapil was a Wc bowler....pandya has talent but is raw

 

About 100 wkts- look at ur expectation 25 test from from a batting all rounder whose home ground wkts suppourt spinners. Even ur frontline pacer didnt take 100 wkts in 25 tests

 

These are ur front line pacer and look even they took more then 25 test and u expect that from a batting all rounder

 

zak- 37 test

Ishant-  33

srinath - 28

shami- 29

Umesh- 37 test 

agarkar played 26 test and jst reached 58 wkts 

 

Expectation men logic rkho 

 

Lets see regd that, he has a huge career ahead of him

Nobody in their wildest dream also expected him make 90+ in Sa against that attack , neither him getting a MOM for his bowling on Debut 

His bowling was really good in ODi

N also do u consider every batsman failed apart from kohli, who is an outstanding batsman

Do u consider that condition n opposition bowlers (rabada, steyn, morkel, ngidi, philander, anderson, broad) its really hard to score in these condition against n them n u want consistency 

Did u watch IPL, he was a purple cap holder this IPL for a while n he was the reason this that off track mumbai got back in picture

Stokes was aweful this yr 

Neither u make ur team better by dropping ur 2nd highest scorer in last 5 test 

 

ok let him play whole series then lets take a call why to jump gun after 1st test where he wasnt the worse thing 

I don't know why you are  quoting stats of Zak and others, just becuase other people stunk you let Pandya stink.

Expecting 100 wickets after 25 tests is not unreasonable.That is what India is looking for,find that player who has ability to avg in 30 with bat and have the ability to take 100 wickets.

You have been giving me stats Pandya scored most  runs behind Kohli so he is good  as batsman. No he is not good as a batsman  just becuase your other batsmen have been inept.

Nobody is jumping the gun, we are just discussing his growth and I have not seen any growth .

 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I don't know why you are  quoting stats of Zak and others, just becuase other people stunk you let Pandya stink.

Expecting 100 wickets after 25 tests is not unreasonable.That is what India is looking for,find that player who has ability to avg in 30 with bat and have the ability to take 100 wickets.

Ofcourse it is 

Did any of ur main bowlers do that n zak n srinath will go in ATG of indian bowlers

Expecting a bowling all rounder who doesnt get to bowl a lot of times, new ball to bhul 

ur expecting him to take 100 wkts in 25 test......ru kidding me 

 

player chahiye ya robot , ppl call him worse then irfan who was a bowler 1st and look at his figures against good team almost 2.5 wkts per test .....and u expect pandya to take 4 with old ball...ru kidding me 

 

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You have been giving me stats Pandya scored most  runs behind Kohli so he is good  as batsman. No he is not good as a batsman  just becuase your other batsmen have been inept.

So he still ur ur 2nd best on current form 

Naam ke batsman ka kya krna 

If u wanna have batsman for name sake- have rohit sharma ...so called specialized batsman 

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Nobody is jumping the gun, we are just discussing his growth and I have not seen any growth .

Not my problem if u dnt watch cricket.........

go look at ahmed shehzad n umar akmal n thats what u call not growing as cricketers....not pandya who is getting better

Edited August 8, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Khota]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Yes it has 

kohli did it in 2015 SL and we won the series (1st test we played with speailist bowler n lost) , dhoni did it in england when we won in lords (then we bought back rohit as specilist batsman n lost it)

 

 

 

“We have got Stuart Binny because his bowling gives us balance. His batting at number six will help us too. We will look at the wicket tomorrow. But I feel that even if you don’t have five full-time bowlers, the fifth has to be one who can bowl 10-15 overs. It is very helpful in certain situations.- Kohli 

 

Link - https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/stuart-binnys-bowling-gives-us-the-balance-virat-kohli/

SL - end of discussion. Kohli was sucking upto selectors. If anyone saw any value in Binny I would question his judgement.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Khota said:

SL - end of discussion. Kohli was sucking upto selectors. If anyone saw any value in Binny I would question his judgement.

SL- why end of discussion, that was not an easy series.....

We lost 1st game when we played with extra bowler n won when we got binny for last 2 games 

sucking upto selectors for what???

Binny did provide value in that test series and even helped us drew the 1st in england in 2014

U hve to really start watching matches then highlights 

[Khota]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

SL- why end of discussion, that was not an easy series.....

We lost 1st game when we played with extra bowler n won when we got binny for last 2 games 

sucking upto selectors for what???

Binny did provide value in that test series and even helped us drew the 1st in england in 2014

U hve to really start watching matches then highlights 

I don't have to watch anything to say Binny was as useless as they came.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, Khota said:

I don't have to watch anything to say Binny was as useless as they came.

he contributed whenever he cud , as long as u contribute u arent useless

 

[Khota]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

he contributed whenever he cud , as long as u contribute u arent useless

 

I don't doubt that. Issue is that otheers can contribute more. In case of pandya a fifth bowler or a sixth batsman can contribute more. No where I am saying Pandya was the cause of the last loss. His bowling is just not there.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Khota said:

I don't doubt that. Issue is that otheers can contribute more. In case of pandya a fifth bowler or a sixth batsman can contribute more. No where I am saying Pandya was the cause of the last loss. His bowling is just not there.

even i question that can others contribute more , whats the guarntee 

 

Lets say extra batsman

U hve pujara on bench he has been in abysmal form n have been a dud overseas . 

Nair has a loose game, ok u wanna bring him in get him ....already 4 of ur batsman are not making runs ...so their is a vacancy 

Last we had a specialist rohit sharma at 6 whose avg was worse then ashwin, bhuvi overseas.....had he played few test more overseas even ishant wud have given him a run 

 

If others are so better, i dnt get it how is pandya ur 2nd highest scorer in last 5 test overseas. That means problem is with specialist . In reality all these reputation dnt matter when ur in ground, it was karthik n pandya who showed far more application then these so called batsman 

 

As bowler- 

Jadeja overseas s/r is 108 and we are after pandya who s/r is 88 

Jadeja batting has been **** to say the least overseas

Kuldeep is obv a better bowler then pandya but he cnt give u anything much with bat and we need some boosting in batting

 

and bowling is not the problem

[putrevus]

3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Ofcourse it is 

Did any of ur main bowlers do that n zak n srinath will go in ATG of indian bowlers

Expecting a bowling all rounder who doesnt get to bowl a lot of times, new ball to bhul 

ur expecting him to take 100 wkts in 25 test......ru kidding me 

 

player chahiye ya robot , ppl call him worse then irfan who was a bowler 1st and look at his figures against good team almost 2.5 wkts per test .....and u expect pandya to take 4 with old ball...ru kidding me 

 

So he still ur ur 2nd best on current form 

Naam ke batsman ka kya krna 

If u wanna have batsman for name sake- have rohit sharma ...so called specialized batsman 

Not my problem if u dnt watch cricket.........

go look at ahmed shehzad n umar akmal n thats what u call not growing as cricketers....not pandya who is getting better

He is not our 2nd best player in anything , he is just a bits and pieces players who will be pushed out of the team very soon if he does not improve and he has no one else to blame except himself.

 

You can have any opinion you want that is fine.

[sandeep]

And round and round we go.

[Global.Baba]

While at it Let us also get Krunal Pandya in. Ahswin can't hit those big 6's in IPL.We need some quick innings at 8 Also out of the box thinking,let us open with Manish Pandey in tests who has a 100 opening the batting in a high pressure IPL knock out. We need an attacking opener,Vijay is just too slow. Also Pandey can bowl a few overs too I think. 

 

 

 

 

[Khota]

AAKASH CHOPRA: I'D PICK JADEJA IN PLACE OF PANDYA FOR SECOND TEST

 

Nice commentary by Aakash.

[Lannister]

We miss Kumar here. He would've been a better all-rounder in these conditions than Pandya. I am of the believe that we absolutely need 5 bowlers, that way we can restrict the opposition for much smaller scores unlike the first Test where we gave 100+ runs too many. 

 

In a low scoring game, even with the availability of Pandya we couldn't chase 190. So what makes you think to say that Pandya strengthens our batting unit and when he offers nothing with the ball. 

Edited August 9, 2018 by Lannister

[Straight Drive]

46 minutes ago, Lannister said:

We miss Kumar here. He would've been a better all-rounder in these conditions than Pandya. I am of the believe that we absolutely need 5 bowlers, that way we can restrict the opposition for much smaller scores unlike the first Test where we gave 100+ runs too many. 

 

In a low scoring game, even with the availability of Pandya we couldn't chase 190. So what makes you think to say that Pandya strengthens our batting unit and when he offers nothing with the ball. 

True, performances of Bhuvi clearly indicate that he is better performer with bat than Hardik in SA. Probably by end of series we will be able to figure out who is a better batsman in England. Bhuvi has set a very high benchmark even being a specialist bowlers. From memory he has 3 test fifty's in England. That's a tough benchmark even for some of our specialist batsmen. 

 

Hardik is clear winner in batting as compared to Bhuvi in Sri Lanka and Indian conditions. Bhuvi won't be able to average that  high. But at this moment batting ability in SL or India is not the need of the hour. 

 

Totally agree, Bhuvi is being missed. 

 

Ashwin though another specialist bowler is second best batsman to Bhuvi in these conditions amongst bowlers or all-rounders. Hope he contributes in remaining matches.

 

Hope Hardik rises up to what Bhivi and Ash have showed in conditions tough for batting. This series is Hardiks first opportunity in England. 

 

Can he be better batsman than both of them. It will be interesting to see how things pan out once series end. A comparison of Bhuvi, Ash and Hardik can be done then as it was possible after SA series. Team can strategize looking at these performances as well.