All Rounders do not exist.

[Ankit_sharma03]

15 minutes ago, Khota said:

I will wait for the day when Pandya even comes close to their batting abilities.

have u seen their test record.........

dnt worry u wnt have to wait long, they have been abysmal in test 

[putrevus]

51 minutes ago, philcric said:

 

That post was tongue in cheek, to trigger a few posters who are getting their panties in a twist because of Krunal getting a few chances in the T20Is. Thought the two  would give it away.

 

Jadeja yeah .. are you asking me if ppl here want him in the ODI team because of what he did 5 years back? I would say NO because of what happened after that .. 2 new balls, changes in field restrictions, his own form ... for whatever reason his performances for couple of years had been very bad (averaged 40+ or something like that if I'm right), and he was rightly dropped after 2017 CT final.

 

About Krunal, he's been an important cog for MI over the last 3 seasons, digging them out of hole single handedly on quite a few occasions, with BOTH bat and ball. There's something about him which suggests that he could make things happen. From memory, he won quite a few MOMs, including 2017 final. Jadeja on the other hand has been a free loader for his IPL teams over the last few seasons. Does Krunal deserve a few chances in T20Is based on his IPL exploits? I'd say Yes.

 

Krunal v Chahal .... It's about team balance. Fair to say Chahal is a better bowler for sure (he has the pedigree, though he had quite a few bad games in the last 10 T20Is or so). Needless to say Krunal is a much much better batsman who's been very good for MI (Avg 31, SR 153). There is merit in selecting either. One strengthens bowling as a unit, the other strengthens batting as a unit. I personally am fine with either selection. Team India wanted to strengthen the batting and they believed they aren't weakening the bowling too much by selecting Krunal and dropping Chahal. Is there a merit to have this team composition? I'd say Yes. Is it the only way? No.

 

I am not against Krunal's selction provided he has right team. Mumbai Indians and Indian team are two different things.They have seven bowlers and they play in India where spinners have much bigger role.

 

Krunal is playing more as a fifth bowler more than batsmen who can bowl on this team.His bowling rather than his batting is needed more and Chahal is better option for this Indian team.He is sixth bowler at his best and if he bombs like he did in first match there is no place to go, so either both brothers play or none as they both are not capable of compeleting their quota of overs every match.

[Ankit_sharma03]

28 minutes ago, Khota said:

 

Go check his latest batting stats in IPL and then come and discuss. As ususal you are clueless.

 

 

latest batting stats 

ok

 

2018 IPL stats of 

Stokes- 

196 runs, avg 16, s/r 121 ( absolute flop)

8 wkts only

 

Hardik 

260 runs, 29 avg, s/r 133

18 wkts

 

Krunal 

228 runs , 30 avg , s/r 153

12 wkts

 

So stokes was absolutely fail this ipl compare to pandya bros and mind u stokes bat up the order then pandya bros so he gets more balls to make more runs and yet u can see who is ahead

 

Now who is clueless 

Edited November 27, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[CricketInsider]

Krunal Pandya and Hardik Pandya are not all rounders. They are bits and pieces players. If you classify them as all rounders, then Kedar Jadhav must be even better as he is above them. Ben Stokes is leagues ahead of them as an allrounder and so is Shakib

[zen]

Great comedy thread

 

btw, anyone who is selected for his ability to perform two duties is loosely termed as AR here. Yes, it is probable that there could be better batsmen and bowlers than what we loosely refer to as an AR, who combines the two aspects optimally, but players are also selected based on balance they provide 

 

Edited November 27, 2018 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

14 minutes ago, CricketInsider said:

Krunal Pandya and Hardik Pandya are not all rounders. They are bits and pieces players. If you classify them as all rounders, then Kedar Jadhav must be even better as he is above them. Ben Stokes is leagues ahead of them as an allrounder and so is Shakib

so shakib became shakib overnight

go check his records

pandya has played only 11 test and  see where shakib stood then

his avg was 5 less then pandya , he only had 2 fifties....pandya has 4-50s and 1-100

shakib made on 46 runs in SA 1st tour and hardik made 93 in one innings only 

 

Pandya bowling avg is also better then shakib after 11 test 

 

all rounder dont become all rounder overnight, check the record above i gave of most all rounder all their records are nearby pandya only 

 

11 match men player nhin bante , yaha logo ne declare bhi kr diya bits n pieces

 

Also what special had jadhav done that he is ahead of hardik in Odi , dnt remember him doing much with bat then that eng home series . Jadhav is a part timer and hardik is a 5th bowler and thats a massive diff

 

[CricketInsider]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

so shakib became shakib overnight

go check his records

pandya has played only 11 test and  see where shakib stood then

his avg was 5 less then pandya , he only had 2 fifties....pandya has 4-50s and 1-100

shakib made on 46 runs in SA 1st tour and hardik made 93 in one innings only 

 

Pandya bowling avg is also better then shakib after 11 test 

 

all rounder dont become all rounder overnight, check the record above i gave of most all rounder all their records are nearby pandya only 

 

11 match men player nhin bante , yaha logo ne declare bhi kr diya bits n pieces

 

Also what special had jadhav done that he is ahead of hardik in Odi , dnt remember him doing much with bat then that eng home series . Jadhav is a part timer and hardik is a 5th bowler and thats a massive diff

 

Both are 6th bowlers in ODI's. Jadhav the much better batsman. Case closed

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, CricketInsider said:

Both are 6th bowlers in ODI's. Jadhav the much better batsman. Case closed

no hardik is the 5th bowler , he bowls far far far more overs

jadhav hasnt done much to be honest apart from that england series ....

 

khudh hi argument diya, khudh hi judgement suna diya....

[CricketInsider]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

no hardik is the 5th bowler , he bowls far far far more overs

jadhav hasnt done much to be honest apart from that england series ....

 

khudh hi argument diya, khudh hi judgement suna diya....

Bowling Comparison

 

Player A

ODI Average - 29.59, Econ: 4.86, SR 36.5

 

Player B

ODI Average 40.95, Econ: 5.55, SR 44

 

Guess who is who?

[Khota]

7 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

have u seen their test record.........

dnt worry u wnt have to wait long, they have been abysmal in test 

I am waiting.

[Khota]

12 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Dono bhooth hai 

all rounders dnt exist acc to OP

 

dnt even try to give him stokes 250 example, he ll call it fluke 

 

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

latest batting stats 

ok

 

2018 IPL stats of 

Stokes- 

196 runs, avg 16, s/r 121 ( absolute flop)

8 wkts only

 

Hardik 

260 runs, 29 avg, s/r 133

18 wkts

 

Krunal 

228 runs , 30 avg , s/r 153

12 wkts

 

So stokes was absolutely fail this ipl compare to pandya bros and mind u stokes bat up the order then pandya bros so he gets more balls to make more runs and yet u can see who is ahead

 

Now who is clueless 

Read both your quotes and the answer will be obvious tha you are clueless.

[Trichromatic]

On 11/26/2018 at 11:39 PM, Moochad said:

Going by their stats, both average over 30 with teh ball and under 40 with the bat.

 

I guess you can say they were equally competent with both fields, but they were not world beaters with either, at least based off record

So criteria is to be them ATG?

 

Not everyone has to be ATG.

 

Bowling avg of 31 for a spinner - many teams have bowlers with higher avg, Bhajji - 32, Kumble 29, Zak 31, Ishant 34, Yadav 34 and all of them are specialist bowlers.

 

Batting avg of 39 - usually below 40 avg is low for main batsmen and they play with such avg only for 30 games max, but 42-43 avg batsmen have played 100+ tests. Rahane - 41, Ganguly 42 and there is long list.

 

Flintoff's batting avg is on lower side, but 31 is still good considering that he could get into team only for his bowling.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

 

Read both your quotes and the answer will be obvious tha you are clueless.

what the relation btw those 2 post 

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

I am waiting.

while ur at it let me knw what these guys have done in test cricket 

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 hours ago, CricketInsider said:

Bowling Comparison

 

Player A

ODI Average - 29.59, Econ: 4.86, SR 36.5

 

Player B

ODI Average 40.95, Econ: 5.55, SR 44

 

Guess who is who?

Player A- bats 7

Player B- 6

 

Player -A has player 2 good knocks under pressure in ODI against Pak n Aus 

Player - B has played also 2 good knocks under pressure in ODI against very avg england attack

 

Player -A has 40 wkts in 42 games

Player B has 22 wkts in 48 games

 

Player A - s/r is 114

Player B- 104

 

[philcric]

11 hours ago, Khota said:

Just trying to remind you that two can play a game.

 

Saying a post is dishonest and someone is pig-headed about a particular non-fact even though every piece of evidence points to the contrary.

 

Saying someone moves around with a player's **ck in his mouth because that someone posted about that player a fact (stat) that actually happened in the recent series. 

 

Sounds about the same. Not.

 

 

[CricketInsider]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Player A- bats 7

Player B- 6

 

Player -A has player 2 good knocks under pressure in ODI against Pak n Aus 

Player - B has played also 2 good knocks under pressure in ODI against very avg england attack

 

Player -A has 40 wkts in 42 games

Player B has 22 wkts in 48 games

 

Player A - s/r is 114

Player B- 104

 

You can't even get the Player A and B  right? That tells me all I need to know

 

Good day

[Ankit_sharma03]

57 minutes ago, CricketInsider said:

You can't even get the Player A and B  right? That tells me all I need to know

 

Good day

who said i was quotting ur player A n Player B

I was quotting mine A n B FOR COMPARISON to tell u the diff contribution 

 

I knew ur player A wa jadhav and Player B pandya 

Doesnt mean i hve to follow same pattern 

 

Oh also never quote half stats , coz no captain in world will give kedhar jadhav 10 overs over hardik pandya every day of life . Also let me knw how much does jadhav contribute overseas with ball coz we play their as well 

 

u hve to be kidding me to call jadhav n pandya = bowlers 

Edited November 28, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Pollack]

They do exist. Here is one all-rounder for reference:

https://starsunfolded.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Piyush-Chawla.jpg

 

Edited November 28, 2018 by Pollack

[Straight Drive]

In ODI's, Hardik Pandya has proved himself to be much better than Robin Singh, Retinder Sngh Sodhi, Stuart Binny, Laxmi Ratan Shukla and Rishi Dhawan. Some of them did not even sustain for 20 ODI's iirc. 

 

Think Hardik Pandya may end up as better mutli skilled ODI player than Irfan Pathan in few years. 

 

Better ODI batsman than Manoj Prabhkar, but lesser bowler.