Are we missing Pandya already?

[Clarke]

17 minutes ago, zen said:

Pandya has shown better match winning abilities both with the bat and the ball 

It's not a fair comparison if ur just looking at abilities. Pandya has been around in international cricket for ~3 years while Vihari is in his fifth test in less than a year. If Vihari doesn't deliver on his promise, he will be booted out. 

 

One does need to look at our poor batting which led to this 7-4 combination. Hopefully Rahul & Rahane are out of the test squad and a better top 6 would facilitate trying Pandya again at #7.

[zen]

28 minutes ago, Clarke said:

It's not a fair comparison if ur just looking at abilities. Pandya has been around in international cricket for ~3 years while Vihari is in his fifth test in less than a year. If Vihari doesn't deliver on his promise, he will be booted out. 

 

One does need to look at our poor batting which led to this 7-4 combination. Hopefully Rahul & Rahane are out of the test squad and a better top 6 would facilitate trying Pandya again at #7.

Not saying Vihari is bad or anything but note that batting is not strengthened by replacing one poor (or struggling) batsman with another or by bringing in more poor (or struggling) specialist batsmen .... it may appear good on paper but for practical purposes is still weak  

Edited January 5, 2019 by zen

[Real McCoy]

Are we missing Pandya already?

 

No. Let me think about it one more time. No and F0cking No

 

[Trichromatic]

2 hours ago, zen said:

Not saying Vihari is bad or anything but note that batting is not strengthened by replacing one poor (or struggling) batsman with another or by bringing in more poor (or struggling) specialist batsmen .... it may appear good on paper but for practical purposes is still weak  

At which part of the game did you miss Pandya today or yesterday?

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

At which part of the game did you miss Pandya today or yesterday?

Is this a joke? 

• First you come up with "noone is missing Pandya" -> tons of people wrote about this here and on the match thread
• Then you said no expert or commentators mentioned that -> I mentioned Harsha and someone mentioned Ganguly already 
• I also wrote this to you - "I hope you are not equating being saved by those whose position are not in question such as Pujara, Pant, etc as all is well " 

 

If relying on those whose positions are not in question is doing well, then India would do well with you and me in the 11 as well provided that we at least field well 

 

We are carrying 2-3 passengers in the 11. Pandya who is like a swiss knife would have bowled a few overs and also added "practical" depth to the batting, which has 3 struggling batsmen in KL, Rahane and Vihari. Replacing anyone of them with Pandya would have strengthened India further and given more options to the captain on field 

 

If you still do not understand. Ask yourself, what did India gain by playing all 3 of KL, Rahane and Vihari. And that will also tell you where Pandya is being missed 

 

 

 

 

[Trichromatic]

15 minutes ago, zen said:

Is this a joke? 

• First you come up with "noone is missing Pandya" -> tons of people wrote about this here and on the match thread
• Then you said no expert or commentators mentioned that -> I mentioned Harsha and someone mentioned Ganguly already 
• I also wrote this to you - "I hope you are not equating being saved by those whose position are not in question such as Pujara, Pant, etc as all is well " 

 

If relying on those whose positions are not in question is doing well, then India would do well with you and me in the 11 as well provided that we at least field well 

 

We are carrying 2-3 passengers in the 11. Pandya who is like a swiss knife would have bowled a few overs and also added "practical" depth to the batting, which has 3 struggling batsmen in KL, Rahane and Vihari. Replacing anyone of them with Pandya would have strengthened India further and given more options to the captain on field 

 

If you still do not understand. Ask yourself, what did India gain by playing all 3 of KL, Rahane and Vihari. And that will also tell you where Pandya is being missed 

 

 

 

 

Team didn't select him and we are winning the series. 

 

Pandya wouldn't have opened. So question of Rahul being passenger doesn't come while discussing Pandya. Vihari is seen as long term prospect and not short term fix.

 

Pandya's presence weakens the team. His bowling and batting both are lottery atm.

 

Failure of other players doesn't strengthen his case. It only requires management to try more players from domestics to find better test players. Not to replace failures with lottery players.

[zen]

4 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Team didn't select him and we are winning the series. 

who said we are not going to win the series? 

 

PS from OP

 

"When you have an attack that includes 2 spinners among the 4 specialist bowling slots, it is wise to play an AR like Pandya, who can serve as the 5th bowler (3rd seamer) to support Bumrah + Shami and also bat at #6-7 .... The likes of KL, Rahane and Vihari appear to have a timer countdown attached to them as soon as they arrive at the crease. Ind is already 10/1 w/ KL gone struggling .... Are we missing Pandya already? "

Edited January 5, 2019 by zen

[Trichromatic]

1 minute ago, zen said:

who said we are not going to win the series? 

So he is not needed atm.

[zen]

6 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

So he is not needed atm.

As I said, in that case the passengers in the 11 are not needed too and Ind can win with two of us in the 11 as well

 

From the OP:

 

"When you have an attack that includes 2 spinners among the 4 specialist bowling slots, it is wise to play an AR like Pandya, who can serve as the 5th bowler (3rd seamer) to support Bumrah + Shami and also bat at #6-7 .... The likes of KL, Rahane and Vihari appear to have a timer countdown attached to them as soon as they arrive at the crease. Ind is already 10/1 w/ KL gone struggling .... Are we missing Pandya already? "

 

The 3 failed with just 69 runs among them. Pandya was missed for the reasons highlighted above (appears as if you did not "read" the OP and posted like the Pandya haters here )

Edited January 5, 2019 by zen

[Trichromatic]

1 minute ago, zen said:

As I said, in that case the passengers in the 11 are not needed too and Ind can win with two of us in the 11 as well

 

From the OP:

 

"When you have an attack that includes 2 spinners among the 4 specialist bowling slots, it is wise to play an AR like Pandya, who can serve as the 5th bowler (3rd seamer) to support Bumrah + Shami and also bat at #6-7 .... The likes of KL, Rahane and Vihari appear to have a timer countdown attached to them as soon as they arrive at the crease. Ind is already 10/1 w/ KL gone struggling .... Are we missing Pandya already? "

  

 The 3 failed with just 69 runs among them. Pandya was missed for the reasons highlighted above (appears as if you did not read the OP and like the Pandya haters started posting here )

So replace mediocrity and inexperience another mediocre player? How does that sound wise?

[zen]

Just now, Trichromatic said:

So replace mediocrity and inexperience another mediocre player? How does that sound wise?

The better option from those available for selection  .... And Pandya has the ability to win games with both the bat and the ball 

[Real McCoy]

44 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

So replace mediocrity and inexperience another mediocre player? How does that sound wise?

LOL. You can't win with this debate. He's a Pandya fan. Even if Pant gets injured, he will say Pandya can keep and must be included

[Number]

Australia is missing Pandya badly.

[King Tendulkar]

Pandya is not one of first names on team sheet. But serious option and unique pace all rounder in India

 

Trust me seen all the other so called canditaes.  Shankar, dubey, there batting on par there bowling is pathetic 60 mph stuff

 

So panday will play depending on oppo, conditions etc

 

For example if batting line up starts to fire big time and confidence builds up we may feel can have 5 bowlers, particaulry if Pant start to fire consistently and openers fire.  Then Pandya 6, Pant 7, Jajdeja 8 and Kuldeep 9 gives massive strong tail and extra bowler.  If Batting struggling and no confidence,may not play like Sydney test.

 

Edited January 5, 2019 by King Tendulkar

[Khota]

On 1/2/2019 at 8:52 PM, Khota said:

Kuldeep will surprise you.

Bump.

[goose]

what odds on Pandya never playing for India again?

 

the spine of this test for years to come should be:

 

6 batsmen

Pant

Jadeja

Bumrah

2 pacers

 

sorry Zen for your loss

Edited January 6, 2019 by goose

[Khota]

5 minutes ago, goose said:

what odds on Pandya never playing for India again?

 

the spine of this test for years to come should be:

 

6 batsmen

Pant

Jadeja

Bumrah

2 pacers

 

sorry Zen for your loss

Mostly agree. If batting flounders above is the right combination. If bowling struggles then get a fifth proper bowler. What are the odds of pandya taking 5 wkts ike Yadav did. None.

[gattaca]

Nope we are not. He can keep KL Rahul company.

[Khota]

On 1/5/2019 at 1:12 AM, zen said:

The better option from those available for selection  .... And Pandya has the ability to win games with both the bat and the ball 

When did he do that?

[Khota]

On 1/5/2019 at 2:07 AM, Number said:

Australia is missing Pandya badly.

Indeed they are.