15 jawans killed after Naxals trigger IED blast in Maharashtra's Gadchiroli

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, Number said:

C60 commandos are local tribesmen

like salwa judum ?

[Vilander]

some info.

 

 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/fight-naxalites-like-maharashtras-c-60-does-govt-tells-forces-states/articleshow/65523039.cms

 

[Gollum]

2 hours ago, FischerTal said:

Less jawans were killed in UPA time but it was made up thoroughly with civilians losing their life on a monthly basis. 

Fatalities in Left-wing Extremism: 2005-2019

India Year Wise Breakup

Years	Civilians	Security Force Personnel	LWE/ CPI-Maoists	Total
2005	281	150	286	717
2006	266	128	343	737
2007	240	218	192	650
2008	220	214	214	648
2009	391	312	294	997
2010	626	277	277	1180
2011	275	128	199	602
2012	146	104	117	367
2013	159	111	151	421
2014	128	87	99	314
2015	93	57	101	251
2016	123	66	244	433
2017	109	74	150	333
2018	109	73	231	413
2019	27	14	61	102
Total*	3193	2013	2959	8165

* Data till April 28, 2019 

 

SATP

[Gollum]

2 hours ago, FischerTal said:

Conveniently saying UPA 2 and not UPA 1. It’s not gonna make any difference. MMS will always be remembered as the PM who did nothing when his financial capital was attacked not once but twice. 2006 mumbai train blasts won’t be forgotten either 

No point arguing with that liar. Either he is a traitor or secret Pork!...even here you see he hasn't condemned the Naxals or expressed condolences for the fallen, straight into propaganda. Doesn't get more blatant than this....

 

[Gollum]

20 minutes ago, Vilander said:

The problem with using Soldiers for this it, all the presstitutes will be up in arms saying India is using Armed forces against civilians. If India even uses non elite units from Army these anti-national scum will be crushed and flushed down the toilet like the nuggets they are. 

Who cares about presstitutes and liberandus? Most of them are compromised and in bed with the enemy. About time we act as per our national interests and if the fifth column wants to get in the way eliminate them SOBs as well.

 

A much smaller country like Sri Lanka defeated a dreaded terror org like LTTE, we need to learn from them.  

[coffee_rules]

21 minutes ago, Vilander said:

did you see that movie..Newton ? its an interesting take. There are two sides to it.  Some of them are innocent advasis who are caught in between.. land reforms , big corporations, corrupt govt babus and machinary..poor things they also have kids and dreams.  But some are just terrorists.

 

 

I avoided the movie for that very reason. For me, violent naxals are terroists and right now any narrative that helps them is bad for the country and the security forces fighting them. It's like arguing for the people behind whom the terrorists are firing against our forces. They are nothing but collateral damage and time to take hard decisions. Thinking about innocents dying in crossfire is what has caused the situation in Kashmir. 

Edited May 1, 2019 by coffee_rules

[Vilander]

13 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

I avoided the movie for that very reason. For me, violent naxals are terroists and right now any narrative that helps them is bad for the country and the security forces fighting them. It's like arguing for the people behind whom the terrorists are firing against our forces. They are nothing but collateral damage and time to take hard decisions. Thinking about innocents dying in crossfire is what has caused the situation in Kashmir. 

this movie does not show violent naxals or legitimises their story. but has actual Gondi people..its a charming take very real and grounded. I liked it. Does not address the naxal issue but simply sets the story in that background. For folks like me who have no idea about what goes on there, it gave an idea of the area and the tribal people who live there. 

 

If you have Army soldiers in the area there wont be possibility for civil society to do anything there.  

[Vilander]

16 minutes ago, Gollum said:

A much smaller country like Sri Lanka defeated a dreaded terror org like LTTE,

LTTE is a civil war and a globally known terrorist org - i think SL army had a bit more legit need to engage them as their police were hopeless and even their Army was equitable till recent times then, but still they were scorned at for using heavy artillery against fleeing people ( they were scum for doing that as well).

 

In case of a country, the size and level of India it would look very poor if India uses Armed forces against Naxals with just a govt executive decision all left wing and 5th column/ world media will make it another huge issue ' state terrorism' etc , India needs elaborate act/law for this. Usage of military aid for civilian authority, i know states like US/UK etc have specific law and their congress( lok sabha) approval process, India needs something like that. Some countries even ban it in entirety, like Germany for instance.

 

If naxals hit a city kill people in a city, then it would warrant such an action though directly. 

[coffee_rules]

14 minutes ago, Vilander said:

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If you have Army soldiers in the area there wont be possibility for civil society to do anything there.  

It's a chicken and egg story. Are there armed forces in the peaceful areas of the country? The armed forces are present only because there was no civility left in the area. You should read literature about Naxal crimes in the areas on innocent civilians to begin with. "Hello Bastar - Rahul Pandita - a book on naxalism in Bastar, one of the strongholds for the last 2-3 decades." 

 

[Vilander]

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

It's a chicken and egg story. Are there armed forces in the peaceful areas of the country? The armed forces are present only because there was no civility left in the area. You should read literature about Naxal crimes in the areas on innocent civilians to begin with. "Hello Bastar - Rahul Pandita - a book on naxalism in Bastar, one of the strongholds for the last 2-3 decades." 

 

i am saying Indian state will still be accountable for the safety of everyone not proven to be a naxal - thats the devil in detail. 

 

If its armed forces, it will be like like another Kashmir - utter confusion - armed forces intermingled with Provincial and Central armed police forces - civilian collateral death and lots of negative press. It will never happen no elected govt will do it, they can probably train a special central armed police wing, raise it from local + crpf troops  but put it under IA to train in tactics and then put them out there with heavier infantry equipment and close air support ( from turbo props or copters etc), the problem again is enemy in this case is fluid, they dis integrate and spread into civilian population...never seen as one target.  

[coffee_rules]

2 minutes ago, Vilander said:

i am saying Indian state will still be accountable for the safety of everyone not proven to be a naxal - thats the devil in detail. 

 

If its armed forces, it will be like like another Kashmir - utter confusion - armed forces intermingled with Provincial and Central armed police forces - civilian collateral death and lots of negative press. It will never happen no elected govt will do it, they can probably train a special central armed police wing, raise it from local + crpf troops  but put it under IA to train in tactics and then put them out there with heavier infantry equipment and close air support ( from turbo props or copters etc), the problem again is enemy in this case is fluid, they dis integrate and spread into civilian population...never seen as one target.  

They the Naxals are already armed with IEDs, AK47s etc and are operating dangerously towards armed forces and you want to deal with them with beat police with danda and canes? It is a situation similar to riots, police turn from lathi charge to golibaari.  Breaking India - another book details how there is a nexus between Islamic terrorists, communists and naxal supporters. India needs a Iron hand to deal with these terrorists, they are not petty criminals to engage state police. 

[Vilander]

@coffee_rules

 

its a good book did you read it ?

 

Excerpts from the book.

 

"

Feudalism is one big factor that contributed to the rise of Naxalism since the beginning. In his jail diary, Naxal ideologue and poet Varavara Rao describes the plight of women working as labourers in the fields of a feudal landlord, Visunuru Deshmukh. Once the women begged him to let them off for a while to enable them to breastfeed their children who lay outside the fields. He is believed to have ordered them to fill a few earthen pots with their milk. Then he snatched away the pots and threw that milk over his fields.
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The sexual exploitation of Adivasi women was rampant. In Gadchiroli’s Alapalli village, for example, one tehsildar would just walk into a girl’s school, select a girl at his will, drag her into an empty classroom and rape her. In Gadchiroli itself, a forest officer collected one lakh rupees in just three months from impoverished tribals in return for letting them into the forest on which they depended for daily sustenance. 
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Washing clothes like his father, grandfather and great-grandfather did not interest Ram Pravesh Baitha. He wanted to do a little better in life. But he knew his limitations as well. There was no point dreaming about bigger things. Smaller, manageable dreams would do for him, or so he thought. A pucca house, a proper kitchen for his mother, a scooter for himself. For this, Baitha had realised much earlier in his life, he would have to somehow complete his education. And he did. In Bihar’s Madhuban district, however, that a washerman’s son would flaunt his graduation didn’t go well with the upper-caste pride. So, Baitha was summoned and beaten up badly for possessing a Bachelor’s degree. He swallowed that insult. His whole focus was on his dream of a better life. He shifted to another university and completed his Master’s as well. And now, his dream was not far from being realised.

Baitha applied for various jobs like most of his friends did. But while his friends secured jobs, Baitha did not find employment. And he realised soon enough why. Apparently he had got a job and had even been sent an appointment letter. But the upper-caste staff at his village post office did not want him to get that job. They tore the appointment letter and threw it away. Baitha joined the Naxal fold. He rose to become the commander of the north Bihar cadre and was later arrested in May 2008."

 

 

 

Interesting blog picked up from comments section.

 

http://theother10.blogspot.com/2014/05/on-naxalism.html

[Vilander]

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

They the Naxals are already armed with IEDs, AK47s etc and are operating dangerously towards armed forces and you want to deal with them with beat police with danda and canes? It is a situation similar to riots, police turn from lathi charge to golibaari.  Breaking India - another book details how there is a nexus between Islamic terrorists, communists and naxal supporters. India needs a Iron hand to deal with these terrorists, they are not petty criminals to engage state police. 

where did i say that ? 

[cowboysfan]

2 hours ago, Vilander said:

India designates Naxals as law and order problem. So they send in CAPF Jawans like CRPF etc ( Home Ministry) not Army soldiers (Defense Ministry) or air support or heavy artillery. 

 

The problem with using Soldiers for this it, all the presstitutes will be up in arms saying India is using Armed forces against civilians. If India even uses non elite units from Army these anti-national scum will be crushed and flushed down the toilet like the nuggets they are. 

This is a terrorist act,they need to be dealt with as such.

[Laaloo]

2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Om shanti!

 

Too sad, when we have naxal supporters like Kanhaiya legitimizing the support to Naxals . In logon ko joote se maarna chahiye..

 

 

 

Your darling kanhaiya @Ankit_sharma03 

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Your darling kanhaiya @Ankit_sharma03 

When an idiots speaks for whom thinking is to much 

So better put a label or headline to what other says ...kyunki dimag kon lagaye ....adha to chuski word invent krne men ghis gaya

 

2 hours ago, Vilander said:

did you see that movie..Newton ? its an interesting take. There are two sides to it.  Some of them are innocent advasis who are caught in between.. land reforms , big corporations, corrupt govt babus and machinary..poor things they also have kids and dreams.  But some are just terrorists.

 

when some with sense does they ll see both sides of coin coz that takes a bit of mehnat 

Edited May 1, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, Vilander said:

@coffee_rules

 

its a good book did you read it ?

 

Excerpts from the book.

 

"

Feudalism is one big factor that contributed to the rise of Naxalism since the beginning. In his jail diary, Naxal ideologue and poet Varavara Rao describes the plight of women working as labourers in the fields of a feudal landlord, Visunuru Deshmukh. Once the women begged him to let them off for a while to enable them to breastfeed their children who lay outside the fields. He is believed to have ordered them to fill a few earthen pots with their milk. Then he snatched away the pots and threw that milk over his fields.
---
The sexual exploitation of Adivasi women was rampant. In Gadchiroli’s Alapalli village, for example, one tehsildar would just walk into a girl’s school, select a girl at his will, drag her into an empty classroom and rape her. In Gadchiroli itself, a forest officer collected one lakh rupees in just three months from impoverished tribals in return for letting them into the forest on which they depended for daily sustenance. 
---
Washing clothes like his father, grandfather and great-grandfather did not interest Ram Pravesh Baitha. He wanted to do a little better in life. But he knew his limitations as well. There was no point dreaming about bigger things. Smaller, manageable dreams would do for him, or so he thought. A pucca house, a proper kitchen for his mother, a scooter for himself. For this, Baitha had realised much earlier in his life, he would have to somehow complete his education. And he did. In Bihar’s Madhuban district, however, that a washerman’s son would flaunt his graduation didn’t go well with the upper-caste pride. So, Baitha was summoned and beaten up badly for possessing a Bachelor’s degree. He swallowed that insult. His whole focus was on his dream of a better life. He shifted to another university and completed his Master’s as well. And now, his dream was not far from being realised.

Baitha applied for various jobs like most of his friends did. But while his friends secured jobs, Baitha did not find employment. And he realised soon enough why. Apparently he had got a job and had even been sent an appointment letter. But the upper-caste staff at his village post office did not want him to get that job. They tore the appointment letter and threw it away. Baitha joined the Naxal fold. He rose to become the commander of the north Bihar cadre and was later arrested in May 2008."

 

 

 

Interesting blog picked up from comments section.

 

http://theother10.blogspot.com/2014/05/on-naxalism.html

Yes, but I remember only parts which detailed Naxal hatya of innocent civilians. I agree there is a lot of atrocity literature that focuses on why people turn to naxalism. Hence, from the civilian society, there is a lot of effort to get them to surrender as well, who were marginalized by the system. But, incidents such as these cannot be bracketed with the same group and show them mercy. They have to be dealt like terrorists. 

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, Vilander said:

where did i say that ? 

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If its armed forces, it will be like like another Kashmir - utter confusion - armed forces intermingled with Provincial and Central armed police forces - civilian collateral death and lots of negative press. It will never happen no elected govt will do it, they can probably train a special central armed police wing, raise it from local + crpf troops  but put it under IA to train in tactics and then put them out there with heavier infantry equipment and close air support ( from turbo props or copters etc), the problem again is enemy in this case is fluid, they dis integrate and spread into civilian population...never seen as one target.  

If not armed forces, what is your strategy to deal with Naxals who have infiltrated  into civilian population and are firing from behind innocent civilians?

[Jvoxx]

Modi government has been a failure to protect the attacks on the soldiers 

[Gollum]