Who is a Liberal ?

[ravishingravi]

57 minutes ago, nikred said:

I think it is all human nature. People who even have an otherwise sensible stand want to get on top of the roof and shout at others for being wrong and feel good about themselves. Then they take it further and turn into what they are against.
I saw atheists doing that, the feminists, now the liberals.

I thought I am a Atheist but I don't want to put down religious people.
I thought I am a feminist but I don't want to put down my fellow men.
I thought I am a liberal but I don't want to put down the major religion.

End of the day I think I don't need these labels to define who I am. All these labels seem to come with a baggage. I don't need to fight others to justify those labels either.

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I completely agree with you. Labels don’t matter or shouldn’t matter as much, but what about values. For instance if liberal section chooses to stay quite on triple talaq but become vocal on shabarimala, isn’t this compromise of values. Liberalism in my view, is the most logical way of progression for human society. Hence, some choose to call it progressive. But seeing a clear partisan regression of these values along with critical thinking that liberalism should encourage, is a loss for everyone. 

[ravishingravi]

Now Ben Shapiro is not my guy for all times. But right wingers are making more sense. Political liberals seem to be okay with being anti Jew or anti Hindu or anti Christian. What is the origin of this thought process. 

 

 

[ravishingravi]

Now I like Ramadan food as much as the other guy. I usually fast also just to celebrate the occasion with a friend. None of it matters, because I could be secular without doing these things. 

 

But how how is this our liberal values. 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

Here it is.. Sums up the psyche of the liberals in all countries esp EU/India..
 

 

[Yoda-esque]

21 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

The neo-communism of India seems to have nothing to do with Stalin. They have married communism and socialism and democracy. 

 

Communists are indeed much above caste problems as compared to BJP. 

Same with religion, where communists of India don't care about religion.

 

And Kanhaiya is not crazy, but he seems to be the most sensible leader among Rahul Gandhi or Modi or any other. 

 

It would be great achievement for Kanhaiya if he succeeds in attracting the Muslims votes as compared to Tanvir. This means in near future Kanhaiya could show the ability to unite congress + CPI + Dalits + AAP + other minorities + other parties against BJP. 

 

If Kanhaiya wins, then this will boost CPI all over India. One leader could change the fate of a nation. People do believe in Kanhiya. 

No idea why I started reading this post, but you lost me there

[Yoda-esque]

Based on Pritish Nandy's rant, would he or Garga Chatterjee be considered a liberal ?

How does that fit into anybody's definition of liberal?

 

[Sachinism]

On 5/2/2019 at 5:22 PM, ravishingravi said:

There was a time I thought this was a very obvious question. I would certainly have considered myself as one. But now, I am not sure. 

 

In my mind, a liberal was someone who believed in freedom and equality of opportunity for all. When I see this apologists, knee jerk appeasing non sense, I am not sure what to make of it. I can perfectly understand why people voted for extreme right wing in some cases. 

 

So, according to you, who are what is a liberal ? 

Like with anywhere on the political spectrum, you'll get moderates and extremes.

You're right about what liberalism means. But when you have a population ready to take those extreme elements and try to paint the whole group the same this is where you end up.

If you want to talk about extremes, how many of them are there on the right? But for those people are portrayed as the fringe. The stereotyping of the whole group doesn't occur there.

 

Another issue is the breaking up of the status quo.

People have been happy to treat those different to themselves as second class people. They've become so used to it and it so ingrained in their thinking that when someone asks to be treated equally and be provided the same opportunity they begin to feel like they're the ones being oppressed. 

[Sachinism]

On 5/8/2019 at 8:55 AM, ravishingravi said:

Now Ben Shapiro is not my guy for all times. But right wingers are making more sense. Political liberals seem to be okay with being anti Jew or anti Hindu or anti Christian. What is the origin of this thought process. 

 

 

Again. Like I mentioned, take the extremes, ridicule and paint the group the same.

Shapiro isn't worth a second of anyone's time. The guy is a charlatan. 

This is the exact crap I mentioned, a charlatan and habitual liar is someone seen as a sane voice maybe because he made one valid observation, ignoring the 1000's of times he is plain wrong

[ravishingravi]

So, what should be liberal stand on the following ? Any other contentious points that one would like to bring :-

1. Uniform Civil Code 
2. Triple Talaq
3. NCR 
4. Proportionate representation in Parliament ( This is a point being raised against BJP, wrt lack of muslim representatives )
5. Tasleema Nasrin

 

[Sachinism]

3 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

So, what should be liberal stand on the following ? Any other contentious points that one would like to bring :-

1. Uniform Civil Code 
2. Triple Talaq
3. NCR 
4. Proportionate representation in Parliament ( This is a point being raised against BJP, wrt lack of muslim representatives )
5. Tasleema Nasrin

 

Just because someone has a liberal outlook on life, there is no guarantee they'll agree with other liberals.

As far as I'm aware there isn't a set of liberal laws/rules anywhere

[ravishingravi]

4 minutes ago, Sachinism said:

Just because someone has a liberal outlook on life, there is no guarantee they'll agree with other liberals.

As far as I'm aware there isn't a set of liberal laws/rules anywhere

To me, the basic principle of liberalism in social perspective is what I have mentioned in original post. If anybody has an opinion contradicting anyone's "freedom", then to me its is not liberal value. 

 

These questions are not addressed to you. But anyone who calls themselves a liberal. 

[Yoda-esque]

So, what should be liberal stand on the following ? Any other contentious points that one would like to bring :-

1. Uniform Civil Code 
2. Triple Talaq
3. NCR 
4. Proportionate representation in Parliament ( This is a point being raised against BJP, wrt lack of muslim representatives )
5. Tasleema Nasrin

 

Yes yes yes no yes 

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[Muloghonto]

16 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

So, what should be liberal stand on the following ? Any other contentious points that one would like to bring :-

1. Uniform Civil Code 
2. Triple Talaq
3. NCR 
4. Proportionate representation in Parliament ( This is a point being raised against BJP, wrt lack of muslim representatives )
5. Tasleema Nasrin

 

Some of these are very easy questions:

 

1. Yes

2. No ( As in no to triple talaq)

3. what is NCR ?

4. No

5. ??? What about Tasleema nasreen ? I mean yes or no to what ? yes/no she should exist ? yes/no to support her ? yes/no to censor her ?!?

[velu]

 

@The Dark Horse  @Detonator  @Vilander   

 

BJP nagarajan's trolling Level = Expert   

Liberal got triggered . Funny to watch  

 

Translation/Context:- 

 

Sky Blue  shirt - Nagarajan BJP guy

Black shirt guy - Thirumurugan Gandhi aka Daniel , probably the #1 liberal 

 

Till 1.45 , they were arguing about how pragya thakur , subramanya swamy kind of people were released from jail but rajiv gandhi killers are still in jail ( first thing dumb liberal is comparing different cases which is totally wrong ) ..

 

Nagarajan kept telling gandhi like daniel keep calm , daniel dont be in a hurry , daniel you dont know  

Got triggered soon  

 

 

 

 

 

Short Intro about Gandhi:- 

 

Thirumurugan Gandhi advocates for the democratic aspirations of Eelam Tamils, Palestinians, Kurds,Catalonia, Kashmiris, Western Saharans and Sikhs. He has also spoken in the Geneva human rights sessions in the United Nations (UN) for the past three years in support of the nations without states, indigenous peoples and communities which have faced war crimes against the imperial forces.

[ravishingravi]

Haha. This is some world class trolling. 

[coffee_rules]

On 5/9/2019 at 10:20 PM, Muloghonto said:

Some of these are very easy questions:

 

1. Yes

2. No ( As in no to triple talaq)

3. what is NCR ?

4. No

5. ??? What about Tasleema nasreen ? I mean yes or no to what ? yes/no she should exist ? yes/no to support her ? yes/no to censor her ?!?

Not a liberal, but

UCC, of course Yes,

No to TTT,

National Citizen Registry (NCR), YES,

No to proportional representation

Tasleema Nasreen , yes when she talks about social evils, not her atheist and feminist ideals which are fundamentalist.

[Muloghonto]

13 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Not a liberal, but

UCC, of course Yes,

No to TTT,

National Citizen Registry (NCR), YES,

No to proportional representation

Tasleema Nasreen , yes when she talks about social evils, not her atheist and feminist ideals which are fundamentalist.

There is nothing fundamentalist about atheism. Its objective empiricism, really.

[ravishingravi]

4 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

There is nothing fundamentalist about atheism. Its objective empiricism, really.

Yes. Objective empiricism is not fundamentalism since it allows the possibility of not knowing and exploring the unknown. 

Please Define atheism as per your understanding. 

[Muloghonto]

16 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

Yes. Objective empiricism is not fundamentalism since it allows the possibility of not knowing and exploring the unknown. 

Please Define atheism as per your understanding. 

lack of beleif in a supreme creator entity of existence/reality and lack of evidence for a supernatural entity ( advanced alien) creating life on plaet earth. 

 

[coffee_rules]

16 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

lack of beleif in a supreme creator entity of existence/reality and lack of evidence for a supernatural entity ( advanced alien) creating life on plaet earth. 

 

They don't leave it at that. Hindus ideally respect all religions and non-religious as well. There is no mutual respect coming from atheists, they want to change the whole world and cure it from cancer as they call what religion is. That is political atheism. They mock soft targets anyway.