WC 2019 | Match 1 | ENG v SA | London | 30 May 3:00 PM IST

[I6MTW]

4 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

As expected , chasing is not going to be easy . Faf messed up by not opting to bat first. He did the same in tests Vs Pakistan. This is why India won't go far in this tourney either. You cannot make such defensive, conservative decisions. England are the only GREAT chasing team currently and even they are better off batting first. 

 

On another note, a great start to the CWC. Couldn't have been better. 

Actually chasing works better in t20 when you only need to chase it in 20 overs. 

 

In 50 overs , even in the modern era, batting first usually preferred, because chasing in 50 overs will require more consistency and wickets intact. That is, if you are chasing high totals. 

[Suhaan]

18 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Pinch hitter should do be doing some other role. Not just pinch hitting. Either keeping (like Gilchrist) or Bowling. He cannot be a pinch hitter without ever having batting at that position. He will be facing guys like Archer, Rabada, Roach. There will be chin music upfront. As usual his half balanced shot will go up in the air. It probably will clear 55 meter boundaries at Kotla, Wankhede not here. India has 7 batsmen to score 300 runs There is no position for pinch hitting. Everybody should have the ability to stay as long as possible while scoring quickly. No team should go in with just 5 specialist bowlers.6th bowelr Jadhav.  Dhoni is dead cert. REmaining 4 will be taken by Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Rahul. Whose place he will take without any top order credentials. First of all you should not think about scoring 350 to feel safe. If a bowling line up that has Bumrah, Shami, KUlcha cannot restrict opposition below 350 more often than not then what is the use of backing them instead of backing players with batting potential? Very reason India goes with 4 out and out tailenders is because they are world class bowlers and are expected to keep opposition below par total.

Rohit ,Dhawan won't give us blazing starts take that,Your self belief(prophecy) is exceptional,you are expecting Jadhav to turn matches on its head with his bowling/batting and on the other hand you  predict Pant will be sheepish facing Archer,Rabada,this is quite humourous

You can't expect consistency from Sehwag kind of players,even Butler won't be that consistent this wc even on these featherbeds

He should have been there in place of DK,Jadhav(his bowling has been found out and most importantly he is not going to play more than 2-3 matches this wc for sure,so what is the point of flying him in there)

Jadhav is a wastage of spot, don't count on his bowling

 

[JourneyMan]

What do you guys think of SA's decision to bowl first? Would batting first have made any difference? 

[I6MTW]

2 minutes ago, JourneyMan said:

What do you guys think of SA's decision to bowl first? Would batting first have made any difference? 

Well, they don't really choke as much batting first than while chasing. They would've certainly had a better chance. Especially if they posted 300+. But, still I would've given it to ENG. They would've chased it down especially with their batting depth. ENG has the ability to chase 350-even 400+ with their lineup.

[Nikhil_cric]

47 minutes ago, I6MTW said:

Actually chasing works better in t20 when you only need to chase it in 20 overs. 

 

In 50 overs , even in the modern era, batting first usually preferred, because chasing in 50 overs will require more consistency and wickets intact. That is, if you are chasing high totals. 

Yes. The only time chasing is the right choice is during D/N matches when the presence of dew makes the ball come onto the bat nicely. Since there are hardly any d/n matches this World Cup, batting first is the way to go. Otherwise a ride awakening ala CT final awaits .

[vvvslaxman]

23 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Rohit ,Dhawan won't give us blazing starts take that,Your self belief(prophecy) is exceptional,you are expecting Jadhav to turn matches on its head with his bowling/batting and on the other hand you  predict Pant will be sheepish facing Archer,Rabada,this is quite humourous

You can't expect consistency from Sehwag kind of players,even Butler won't be that consistent this wc even on these featherbeds

He should have been there in place of DK,Jadhav(his bowling has been found out and most importantly he is not going to play more than 2-3 matches this wc for sure,so what is the point of flying him in there)

Jadhav is a wastage of spot, don't count on his bowling

 

Pant is not even 10% of Sehwag. Pant has no in between gears like Sehwag. He is a bit like Afridi who could do that because he was their main bowler.

pant brings nothing other than slogging. Sehwag could bowl as well.

Edited May 30, 2019 by vvvslaxman

[Suhaan]

23 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Pant is not even 10% of Sehwag. Pant has no in between gears like Sehwag. He is a bit like Afridi who could do that because he was their main bowler.

pant brings nothing other than slogging. Sehwag could bowl as well.

And what do Jadhav and Dk bring in?

Mediocrity

We will see what Pant ends up with,why are you so adamant to judge Pant so early in his career

With Dk and Jadhav approaching twilight of their career we are infact in very good position to conclude that they have been nothing more than disappointment

Edited May 30, 2019 by Suhaan

[GeeGaw]

It's a travesty that Archer is allowed to play for the England side.  If there is any justice, then Windies will face England in the finals and Russell will hit a six on the last ball off Archer to win it by one run.

 

F England.

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

And what do Jadhav and Dk bring in?

Mediocrity

We will see what Pant ends up with,why are you so deperate to judge Pant so early in his career

With Dk and Jadhav approaching twilight of their career we are infact in very good position to conclude they have been nothing more than disappointment

In the matches that DK and Pant played together DK was significantly better. Not sure if you followed his international matches in limited overs. He was swishing and slashing a lot without connecting anything more often than not. Not good enough to be considered a specialist batsman. Second of all whether Jadhav is found out or not as long as Jadhav can bowl better than Pant and other batsmen he gets ahead. Third of all Jadhav has 2 centuries under pressure as a late order batsman. Even recently scored a 60 odd in Australia to help India chase a total.  Every single team in the world cup is looking for 6th bowling 7th bowling option. If a bowler breaks down then your next best option to bowl will be Rohit sharma or Kohli. Imagine Pandya breaks down like he did in the IPL holding his back. 8 overs to be bowled? Who will bowl among Rohit/Kohli/Rahul/Dhawan/Dhoni/Pant?  If any of them bowl 8 overs teams will score minimum 120 runs out of them.

[vvvslaxman]

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Edited May 30, 2019 by vvvslaxman

[nitinbwj]

So Archer wants to target Kohli. He bowls non hittable length, extracts sharp bounce and edge from same length with no change in action.Skiddy as *. Better to defend him.

[Suhaan]

11 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

In the matches that DK and Pant played together DK was significantly better. Not sure if you followed his international matches in limited overs. He was swishing and slashing a lot without connecting anything more often than not. Not good enough to be considered a specialist batsman. Second of all whether Jadhav is found out or not as long as Jadhav can bowl better than Pant and other batsmen he gets ahead. Third of all Jadhav has 2 centuries under pressure as a late order batsman. Even recently scored a 60 odd in Australia to help India chase a total.  Every single team in the world cup is looking for 6th bowling 7th bowling option. If a bowler breaks down then your next best option to bowl will be Rohit sharma or Kohli. Imagine Pandya breaks down like he did in the IPL holding his back. 8 overs to be bowled? Who will bowl among Rohit/Kohli/Rahul/Dhawan/Dhoni/Pant?  If any of them bowl 8 overs teams will score minimum 120 runs out of them.

Jadhav bowling and playing for us in WC is purely an assumption,he is that fragile

So your logic is outright invalid,lets see if he plays enough to show us his worth first

Then comes his performance,which majority of us believe is not upto the recent benchmarks

Edited May 31, 2019 by Suhaan

[mishra]

11 hours ago, Suhaan said:

And what do Jadhav and Dk bring in?

Mediocrity

We will see what Pant ends up with,why are you so adamant to judge Pant so early in his career

With Dk and Jadhav approaching twilight of their career we are infact in very good position to conclude that they have been nothing more than disappointment

Jadhav or Jaddu Brings in Dhoni in as wk. I would like to keep one of the two in side ahead of Pant. Pant should and must prepare to surpass Dhoni. His primary objective and focus should be to replace Dhoni