Gollum Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) I sincerely hope delusions of our chasing prowess are kept aside. No dew here, pitches often get slower in the second half and pressure will take its toll. Our strength is bowling this time, rather depend on them to defend whatever target we put up than trying to chase with our fragile middle order. We win the toss, we bat first. Doesn't matter if it has rained there for the past week or so, doesn't matter if there is a hurricane nearby, doesn't matter if there is chance of downpour at some point....come a KO match, I have more faith in us defending 180 than chasing 250. This is possibly our greatest bowling unit, and our weakest batting line up....hope TM gives up the foolish idea of tempting fate in crucial matches. Dhawan is out, Kohli and Rohit haven't been great at chasing in big matches, less said about the others the better. Our possible KO opponents: Eng-> clueless while chasing even moderate totals when the heat is on...have lost to Pak and SL while chasing. With their weak bowling I don't mind us batting first even if we have to play on a pitch with 6 feet tall grass cover and snakes slithering underneath. Put them to bat first and there is a possibility of them running away with the game. Their batting is more tentative while chasing, even on a patta our strong bowling will make them sweat. Aus-> willing to chase against them in KO is a death wish. They gave a small sample of that in the ODI series in India, come a SF/F and it wil be moronic to enable them to make the first move. NZ-> weak chasers, should have lost against BD and RSA. I am confident we will defend a total of 220 odd if we are to meet in KO. Don't fear Boult and start on the defensive, Boult is Boult irrespective of whether he makes first or second use of the deck. Even if conditions ease out the scorecard pressure will make him as deadly as ever, moreover swing is available all the time in England. Pak, RSA-> historically weak chasers, bottlers. WI, BD, Lanka-> we should win either way but preferable to bat first. WI won't be able to tackle our spinners when conditions get slower. BD almost beat us batting first last year in Asia Cup final, better to bat first and close them out otherwise their spinners (and Fizz) may cause problems, our top 3 has a poor record against them I think which is an added complexity. SL batting is yet to fire, rather make them feel the heat. Afg->out of SF contention. Bottomline: Try the conventional, time tested method of batting first after winning the toss. This isn't India where dew makes ball behave like a bar of soap under lights. If we lose the toss and have to chase, no problem just give it our best shot. But when the opportunity presents itself take full advantage, just like how it is always an advantage to play with white in a chess game no matter who the players are....or how it is an advantage to be able to serve first in a set. Edited June 21, 2019 by Gollum Tendulkar1996, G_B_, philcric and 1 other 1 1 2
Gollum Posted June 25, 2019 Author Posted June 25, 2019 Why are so many teams blundering at the toss?
Norman Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 I'm not scared of Australia or their Mitchell Starc and his toe crushing Yorkers. I'm not scared of New Zealand or their all round ability. I'm not scared of England and their batting fire power. The only thing I'm scared of cometh the knockouts is chewt Kohli winning toss and bowling first. Sends shivers up my spine. velu, Unstable Joe, asterix and 5 others 1 7
Stuge Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 Eoin Morgan still says he was right to choose bowl first lol
coffee_rules Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 Kohli also said he would've choosen to bowl against Pak, even after the CT2017 debacle. What an idiot!
Stuge Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, Norman said: I'm not scared of Australia or their Mitchell Starc and his toe crushing Yorkers. I'm not scared of New Zealand or their all round ability. I'm not scared of England and their batting fire power. The only thing I'm scared of cometh the knockouts is chewt Kohli winning toss and bowling first. Sends shivers up my spine. Toss Jeet kar bowling karne see dar lagta hai
G_B_ Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 honestly i think its pressure. Did not see the pitch diingratiating in any way. A lot of teams see the overcast conditions and decide to bowl. Windies did that v Pakistan and Australia and nearly topped Australia.
Stuge Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, G_B_ said: honestly i think its pressure. Did not see the pitch diingratiating in any way. Hence win toss and bat first . Edited June 25, 2019 by Stuge
Tendulkar1996 Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 32 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Kohli also said he would've choosen to bowl against Pak, even after the CT2017 debacle. What an idiot! That was for DLsystem.
Ankit_sharma03 Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, G_B_ said: honestly i think its pressure. Did not see the pitch diingratiating in any way. A lot of teams see the overcast conditions and decide to bowl. Windies did that v Pakistan and Australia and nearly topped Australia. In a pressure game always bat first even if their is some help its ok it wont last for more then 5-6 overs...........unless its a green mamba which we dont see in ODI these days
Stuge Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tendulkar1996 said: That was for DLsystem. he is still an idiot coffee_rules 1
philcric Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 Captains in this WC after winning the toss - "There has been rain all night, the pitch has been under covers, moisture, we will take advantage of whatever early help is there for pacers". Post match, after losing - "Yeah the oppo put up a good score, we lost early wickets in the chase, came under pressure, our No.7 got us close but we were not good enough today". Next match ... The toss winning captain - "So yeah, there's been rain all night, pitch has been under covers, ......................" Rinse. Repeat. Unstable Joe, asterix and Stuge 3
zen Posted June 26, 2019 Posted June 26, 2019 Should depend upon conditions. On good batting surfaces/conditions, it is good to have runs on the board. On surfaces/pitches, where you would lose quick early wkts, you may want to bowl At the end of the day, whether you win or lose the toss, you have to play well. Teams should be mentally prepared to play their best irrespective of the toss
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