For Rishabh Pant to be a match-winner, he should be set free: Sourav Ganguly

[beetle]

14 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Even maninder singh has this bizzare interview on youtube where he is saying pant has a lot of attitude that why he isnt picked  in wc, he shud be a nice boy....

 

Thats the problem with these oldies ...

Aggresive player means lack of good attitude 

Nice boy means good players 

 

They were same with kohli, pandya even yuvraj. Those oldies in england were same to pietersen 

Yeah...every tom dick and harry...

Maninder is one to talk.The guy who lost it all to drugs...

 

[SUMO]

Aur kitna khula chore ladke ko

[nitinbwj]

Chup reh bhai..yeh nahi chalne wala..

[Ankit_sharma03]

21 hours ago, SUMO said:

Aur kitna khula chore ladke ko

jitna khula sehwag, yuvraj ko chodha tha utna chodhna chahiye

 

19 hours ago, nitinbwj said:

Chup reh bhai..yeh nahi chalne wala..

kon nhin chalne wala ?

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 8/29/2019 at 8:30 AM, express bowling said:

 

Many of the old timers (  not all )  don't like seeing a confident young man or a confident new-comer. They like them to be meek and submissive in front of seniors.

Even akash chopra once openely admitted that he told Dhoni on an India-A tour that his hairstyle n all wont take him far in Indian cricket as it doesnt work here. I find it funny how this mediocre players tell highly talented players what to do n what not to 

 

[nitinbwj]

43 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

jitna khula sehwag, yuvraj ko chodha tha utna chodhna chahiye

 

kon nhin chalne wala ?

Pant..yeh nahi chalega. Khota sikka hai..

[Vijy]

hasn't done too badly in these two tests with the bat. got some good catches in too.

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 8/30/2019 at 12:59 PM, nitinbwj said:

Pant..yeh nahi chalega. Khota sikka hai..

Wo already chal chuka hai

Scoring 100 in aus n england is not a joke

[Muloghonto]

On 8/29/2019 at 11:45 PM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

jitna khula sehwag, yuvraj ko chodha tha utna chodhna chahiye

 

kon nhin chalne wala ?

 

On 8/28/2019 at 7:50 AM, Riju23 said:

Anyone else think Pant should be used like Gilchrist - no. 7 in tests, opener in limited overs formats?

 

On 8/28/2019 at 9:12 AM, rtmohanlal said:

I have always believed in this ... his match temperament is more suited to  tests..where he can take his own time  and then cut loose. In ODIs,  the batsman has to score straight away taking 1s & 2s finding gaps, which is not the strong point of Pant. So he is best suited to opening in ODIs where the field restrictions can  allow to  counter this short coming of his.

 

The problem with this type of thinking, is that this is not the reality of Indian team, to actually think we can develop Pant or give him a near-like-role as Gilly to grow and play, like AUS did. 

For starters, OZ had an extremely strong middle and lower order during Gilly's top order stay in LOIs - Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, Symonds, etc. made for  a far, far stronger middle order than Kohli + rest. Indian batting order in ODIs is all about top order fire and late order finish. Until we do develop an exceptionally strong middle and lower middle order, we cannot do the whole ' go nuts' to a highly talented batsman+wicketkeepr guy the 'Sehwag-Gilly' license. 

Same problem persists in the tests - our middle order is extremely fragile. Its again, nobody really established after Kohli - Rahane was getting there, but his downturn in form over the last 2 years has made HIS position precarious. Vihari, Gill, Rohit, etc. may become worldclass stalwarts at 5 or 6, but without that happening, we again, cannot ask our wicketkeeper, who bats at #7, to 'go nuts'. Gilly's test career coincided with possibly the deepest top-6 a test team has ever fielded, plus 2 ATG bowlers (McWarne) supported by a motley crue of world class pacers & spinners, most of whom, were good enough to play for most other international teams themselves ( Fleming, Gillespie, Lee, McGill etc). 

 

So while it'd be nice to have the opportunity to let him develop at his own pace and without much responsibility, the Indian national team still comes first and the team is not exactly in a position to give 'license to freedom' to its wicketkeeping batsman. 

[New guy]

On 8/30/2019 at 12:59 PM, nitinbwj said:

Pant..yeh nahi chalega. Khota sikka hai..

Let's get a bit of perspective shall we? Pant averages almost 45 in tests after 12 matches, a great average for any wicketkeeper bat. He has 2 100s in England and Australia (the later 159 not out)

 

Wanna compare with some other players? Laxman does not have a single 100 in England in his entire career. Sehwag has 1 100 in England. Ganguly has 1 100 in Australia. Dravid has 1 100 in Australia. What took these great players entire career, Pant has achieved in less than 10 matches, in his first tour to those countries

 

And he is a wicketkeeper bat and not a pure bat

 

Lay off the kid's case

Edited August 31, 2019 by New guy

[Vijy]

17 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

 

 

The problem with this type of thinking, is that this is not the reality of Indian team, to actually think we can develop Pant or give him a near-like-role as Gilly to grow and play, like AUS did. 

For starters, OZ had an extremely strong middle and lower order during Gilly's top order stay in LOIs - Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, Symonds, etc. made for  a far, far stronger middle order than Kohli + rest. Indian batting order in ODIs is all about top order fire and late order finish. Until we do develop an exceptionally strong middle and lower middle order, we cannot do the whole ' go nuts' to a highly talented batsman+wicketkeepr guy the 'Sehwag-Gilly' license. 

Same problem persists in the tests - our middle order is extremely fragile. Its again, nobody really established after Kohli - Rahane was getting there, but his downturn in form over the last 2 years has made HIS position precarious. Vihari, Gill, Rohit, etc. may become worldclass stalwarts at 5 or 6, but without that happening, we again, cannot ask our wicketkeeper, who bats at #7, to 'go nuts'. Gilly's test career coincided with possibly the deepest top-6 a test team has ever fielded, plus 2 ATG bowlers (McWarne) supported by a motley crue of world class pacers & spinners, most of whom, were good enough to play for most other international teams themselves ( Fleming, Gillespie, Lee, McGill etc). 

 

So while it'd be nice to have the opportunity to let him develop at his own pace and without much responsibility, the Indian national team still comes first and the team is not exactly in a position to give 'license to freedom' to its wicketkeeping batsman. 

one could also argue that the other great batsman-keeper (not keeper-batsman) of the modern era aside from gilly (and it's not sarfaraz no matter some deluded green-y posters on ICF may claim) actually thrived under pressure and playing for a team with weak batting: andy flower. what Pant needs is to play his natural game that he showcased in in domestics, in eng and even more in Oz. he may look ugly at times, but a lot of his batting fundamentals are quite good. if he works on his temperament and shot selection, we are looking at a genuine no. 6 batsman.

 

his keeping on the other hand has a way to improve. it is very good in some patches, and rather poor in others. however, he already looks better than MSD did at a similar stage of career. he is not in the same class of saha keeping-wise, but if he works steadily, I think he will become a good keeper.

[rtmohanlal]

40 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

 

 

The problem with this type of thinking, is that this is not the reality of Indian team, to actually think we can develop Pant or give him a near-like-role as Gilly to grow and play, like AUS did. 

For starters, OZ had an extremely strong middle and lower order during Gilly's top order stay in LOIs - Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, Symonds, etc. made for  a far, far stronger middle order than Kohli + rest. Indian batting order in ODIs is all about top order fire and late order finish. Until we do develop an exceptionally strong middle and lower middle order, we cannot do the whole ' go nuts' to a highly talented batsman+wicketkeepr guy the 'Sehwag-Gilly' license. 

Same problem persists in the tests - our middle order is extremely fragile. Its again, nobody really established after Kohli - Rahane was getting there, but his downturn in form over the last 2 years has made HIS position precarious. Vihari, Gill, Rohit, etc. may become worldclass stalwarts at 5 or 6, but without that happening, we again, cannot ask our wicketkeeper, who bats at #7, to 'go nuts'. Gilly's test career coincided with possibly the deepest top-6 a test team has ever fielded, plus 2 ATG bowlers (McWarne) supported by a motley crue of world class pacers & spinners, most of whom, were good enough to play for most other international teams themselves ( Fleming, Gillespie, Lee, McGill etc). 

 

So while it'd be nice to have the opportunity to let him develop at his own pace and without much responsibility, the Indian national team still comes first and the team is not exactly in a position to give 'license to freedom' to its wicketkeeping batsman. 

agreed with what all you said..... but  , to develop him  , the best option is to make him  open in ODIs  in dead rubbers, against weaker teams, home matches etc etc in the company of experienced Dhawan/Rohit. Other than that ,i don't think Pant can be successful in the lower/middle order let alone at no:4  in ODIs. He is not up to the mark even in LIST A matches. Some body like Ishan Kishan has a far better track record in LIST A  as of now. So  the best  use of Pant  for the team cause is  'either make him open in ODI so that he can develop  or play him in tests only ' .  This way, his confidence  would get better in tests too. But , if he continue to perform  like  this in ODIs, not only his position in   ODI team is in danger, but that can  affect his test performance too.  He is too good a test player to get affected like that.

[Ankit_sharma03]

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