mani sha Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 At least now he is doing it without dhoni around . Will learn . For me he is new captain post World Cup as he has shown more brains . Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 13 hours ago, SK_IH said: It's fair to say he is by far the worst Indian captain in a long time. Yes & no, I'd say his issue for me is lack of patience. We see it in his demeanor & general attitude as well. The best captains ever have had tons of patience, especially with the youngsters. This guy is like a 180 degrees departure from that. 9 hours ago, mani sha said: At least now he is doing it without dhoni around . Will learn . For me he is new captain post World Cup as he has shown more brains . What are you talking about? His honeymoon period is over, his results will go down from here, at least in LO games, Dhoni or not! More like walking with the brain dead raki05 and Ankit_sharma03 1 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 11:40 AM, SK_IH said: But he has been doing that since 2017. It has been a ongoing process ever since. With no results to boot. No idea who is the no.4 No idea which is the best spin combo No idea who is the all rounder No idea who is the 5th bowler No idea who is the late order hitter No idea who is 3rd seamer or is it the batting/bowling all rounder Sometimes it is Rayudu, then Jadhav, then Vijay Shankar, then DK, then Pandey, then Pant, then Iyer, then Dube. It's fair to say he is by far the worst Indian captain in a long time. Why can't you think from other angle, India does not have a proper number 4 batsman in the system. Indian bowlers cannot bat thats why there is always a struggle to find the balance , it is not captain's fault. In 1990s, Indian team was trying so many openers as they did not have any talented openers in system who could do the job.India has stuggled to replace Kapil Dev as an allrounder, whose faults was/is it. They wanted Rayudu to do the job but they realized he was not fit for the job so they dropped him. Captain or selectors can only select from the player they are given , they cannot manufacture player. Link to comment
raki05 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 10:45 PM, Laaloo said: Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 10:45 PM, Laaloo said: this exactly is the body language i talk about of his , shaqal dekh lagta hai ki bande ko malum hia match haath se jaa rha hai. Such body language will alway hve a negative impact on team. Its not that other captains dont show emotion but on his face u can see the defeat. This is the reason he chokes Cricwala 1 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 8 hours ago, putrevus said: Why can't you think from other angle, India does not have a proper number 4 batsman in the system. Indian bowlers cannot bat thats why there is always a struggle to find the balance , it is not captain's fault. In 1990s, Indian team was trying so many openers as they did not have any talented openers in system who could do the job.India has stuggled to replace Kapil Dev as an allrounder, whose faults was/is it. They wanted Rayudu to do the job but they realized he was not fit for the job so they dropped him. Captain or selectors can only select from the player they are given , they cannot manufacture player. It's quite convenient to say there is no fault of the captain and there are no players available. Let me take you back to mid 2010. Virat had two poor series back to back in Asia Cup and then in SL. He was bang average and struggling. He might have been dropped in this regime with that background. But he was persisted with at the top of the order as the captain and selectors were not short sighted or impatient.And the results were delivered by Virat. The problem is some of these players forget their own struggles and the backing they got early on when they assess the new players It's the job of the captain to make a player, to get performances out of him. A player who is always on the cusp of being thrown out of the side or is unaware of his role in the side, will rarely win you matches. If captaincy was only about tossing the coin at the start of the game, then anybody could captain. Ankit_sharma03, Cricwala, Stan AF and 1 other 4 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 @putrevus There are so many parallels between the Kohli the captain in LOIs and IPL. It's a unceasing loop of flip flops, inconsistency and failure. It's an achievement you struggle to see merit in any of that and keep defending this doofus captain. raki05 and Cricwala 1 1 Link to comment
wanted_desi Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) He is one of the rare dudes, that you questions everything that comes from him. I wonder if Anuksha believes anything that comes from his mouth. Edited January 17, 2020 by wanted_desi Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 11:00 PM, sandeep said: Most on this forum won't accept it, but Finch is a walking wicket against Bhuvi. And Warner doesn't find it easy either. It would have been different even today if Bhuvi was fit and playing. Would like to see his average against Aus. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 This guys is so on point. Kohli cant identify a talent in 1st place all his moves are basically reaction rather then his own intial idea. He cant back his good or bad choices. This is why no one under him has felt secure Cricwala and raki05 2 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Why not pick Dubey in place of Pandey to bat at 6. Now there is no one who can hit sixes in lower middle order. saik and Cricwala 1 1 Link to comment
Sandeep99 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 And that experiment lasted.................. 1 match.................... Ankit_sharma03 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sandeep99 said: And that experiment lasted.................. 1 match.................... expect a change in next match again Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 11 hours ago, SK_IH said: It's quite convenient to say there is no fault of the captain and there are no players available. Let me take you back to mid 2010. Virat had two poor series back to back in Asia Cup and then in SL. He was bang average and struggling. He might have been dropped in this regime with that background. But he was persisted with at the top of the order as the captain and selectors were not short sighted or impatient.And the results were delivered by Virat. The problem is some of these players forget their own struggles and the backing they got early on when they assess the new players It's the job of the captain to make a player, to get performances out of him. A player who is always on the cusp of being thrown out of the side or is unaware of his role in the side, will rarely win you matches. If captaincy was only about tossing the coin at the start of the game, then anybody could captain. How was he bang average in 2010 ,Kohli after his 14th match never averged below 40. Kohli was never bang average in odis, he was awful in his first test series in WI so was dropped.Anyone can have a bad series.Don't mix up things. If Kohli forgot about his struggles he would have dropped Rahul from tests long time before he was acutally dropped nor would have persevered with Rahul in odis with his 80 SR.Pandya would have played so many tests either. It is job of captain to try to make any players wanted and he has done that, on the same hand it is not his job to accommodate every tom dick and harry in all formats just becuase some fans want them to. Kohli is the best captain India ever had in all formats and he winning % proves it.He leads from the front by performing with bat. Name a captain, I will give you examples of players they have discarded just after few matches. Jimmy Cliff 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, SK_IH said: @putrevus There are so many parallels between the Kohli the captain in LOIs and IPL. It's a unceasing loop of flip flops, inconsistency and failure. It's an achievement you struggle to see merit in any of that and keep defending this doofus captain. There are no paralells between Kohli the LOI captain and IPL captain. Kohli has highest winning percentage of all captains bar Ponting that leading a one dimesional team.He averages mere 77 with bat as a captain with just 21 100s in 85 matches. Show me a better captain in history of the game.Just because he has not won world cup or champion's trophy he does not become a bad captain.He reached Semi final and final in both of them.It is the Kohli the batsman who has let Kohli the captain down. He is trying his best to create a balance with such an unbalanced squad. I don't follow IPL and I don't care about.He is the best captain India ever had in all formats. For some people players who are outside playing XI are always better than players who are playing in the team. Edited January 17, 2020 by putrevus Link to comment
raki05 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Ho ho ho ha ha ha hi hi hi........... Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 how on earth he pref thakur over saini....the so called best captain of fast bowing having no eye for talent Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) The same Thakur won him the match with bat against WI, so he played him against Australia, what the did Saini do in this match other than taking wickets at the end which could have been taken by any bowler bowling in that spot. Thakur was not the reason why they lost last match nor Saini is the reason why they won this match.Thakur playing one match or Saini not playing one match does not reflect anything on his captaincy. Edited January 17, 2020 by putrevus Link to comment
Cricwala Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 In post-match interview, Kohli was talking about people pressing panic button in age of social media etc. Why does he bother mentioning such things if they are really trivial to him, as they should be? He seems so caught up in chatter around the team, that he & Shastri both are always trying to answer criticism, rather than focus on their plans and long-term strategy, if they have any. Kohli is so caught up in short-term that he just doesn't have appetite for long-term planning. Link to comment
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