KL Rahul as a keeper feels right, not looking to change it - Virat Kohli

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Thats some nonsense spread by ganguly himself. Dravid was our best batsman in 1999 wc and a year before he starred keeping he avg 43 which was very good those days. We didnt have enough batsman only demanding a spot on those days. At best they went for dinesh mongia only or some days bangar....

Utter nonsense. David's average was never the problem. His 60 strike rate was. Which  improved significantly after he took on the keeping job. Dinesh Mongia  etc were preferred ahead of VVS, which was a mistake. 

 

But Dravid was no ODI star before becoming keeper. Far from it. 

[putrevus]

Laxman had two things against him, he was awful runner between the wickets and awful outfielder so he was rightfully dropped from 2003 squad which he still complains, Dravid was too slow and he was not playing 2003 world cup over Yuvraj and Kaif unless he was keeping the wickets.

 

KL Rahul is also in same boat, he does not merit a spot in middle order as a batsman but if he becomes a keeper he lends that balance which allows India to play additional bowler or Pandya or batsman.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Are you insane, 

Be careful with ur word already u have said rahul is not talented which will bite u very hard very soon

So dont make a statement about a talent like pant 

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

Pant did not do anything great in all the matches he played, he might have done well in couple of matches.He has not shown in any matches he has played that he has it what it takes to succeed in middle order.

were u sleeping in Wi series ???

He did well in WC semi final

He did well in Wi series 

 

The only series where he didnt was WI ODI tour 

 

Let me knw how many youngsters were consistent at the age of 21-22 , ill show ATG who were not till ages 

 

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I was/still  am against his dropping from test team. He is more suited to test cricket and as an opener in limited over format.Rahul is not suited to middle order either but he has more experience thats all.To play in middle order you must to able to rotate strike without taking too many risks.

A guy who bats at s/r of 162 in IPL is not suited for LOI , didnt another day u wanted him to open.....abhi team men bhi khelne layak nhin 

Rahul just made a 80 in 52 balls that to against starc n cummins not a SL attack....already has a 100 at 4 in t20 

 

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Anyone with some cricketing acumen can tell that other two might never make it to international level, there is a reason why Samson avgs 30 in List A, how many runs did Ishan score in domestic cricket this season to state his case.

marnus labuschane avg 28 in first class and 37 in ListA and he in Aus side 

 

Have u ever seen a LIST A or Vijay hazare its one the most poorely organized tournament ...poor pitches a game every next day 

Same samson smoked SA-A

 

 

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

They all are young and are part of India A teams if they score heavily they all have chances to make it. 

Same rahul who u said is not talented is now good enough to play over specialist keeper like pant, kishen n samson and then ur the one who cries most of specialist

 

The extent 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Utter nonsense. David's average was never the problem. His 60 strike rate was. Which  improved significantly after he took on the keeping job. Dinesh Mongia  etc were preferred ahead of VVS, which was a mistake. 

 

But Dravid was no ODI star before becoming keeper. Far from it. 

sir je konse s/r ki baat kr rahe 

when 2001 started 

ganguly s/r was 70

dravid 69

 

and ganguly had Powerplay of 15 overs

 

n who were these other who even had avg also . So ganguly commaned a place on 70 and dravid didnt on 69

Edited January 20, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[SK_IH]

 

Dhawan was injured post the World Cup, Rahul took his place and was quite successful. However, Rahul lost his place to Dhawan who had recovered.

Now, Pant got injured, Rahul came in as a keeper in his place. But this time, Rahul became  the preferred choice and Pant is the second choice.

So, there it is, different yardsticks for different players. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

11 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

https://m.rediff.com/wc2003/2002/nov/12inter.htm

 

If Rahul Dravid had declined to keep and they used Parthiv patel or someone else  he would have lost his spot for sure.  This is something even Rahul Dravid indirectly agreed with.

i knew these nonsense were spread but still it was more due lack of option in keeping there was no other option to keep dravid out. No one till now has come with one name who after sachin, ganguly, dravid, sehwag, yuvi, kaif had demanded a place in that phase

[sandeep]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

sir je konse s/r ki baat kr rahe 

when 2001 started 

ganguly s/r was 70

dravid 69

 

and ganguly had Powerplay

 

n who were these other who even had avg also . So ganguly commaned a place on 70 and dravid didnt on 69

Gangu's SR was abysmal, and he hid behind his captaincy and opening spot to camouflage it.  Dravid didn't have that luxury.  And as bad as Gangu's SR was, Dravid was definitely worse.  I remember doing some number crunching back in the day, and in that time-frame - late 90s, maybe even including early 2000s, Dravid's SR was in the 57-62 range.  

 

Also, do keep in mind that Gangu of the late 90s scored a lot of hundreds at the top of the order, and his SR problems didn't become obvious until 2003 or so.  Dravid was dropped from the ODI team, and deservingly so, in the late 90s.  To his credit, he really improved his ODI Batting a lot, and became a great mainstay for India.  But to claim that he was that already before the 'keeping stint - is a lie.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

 

Dhawan was injured post the World Cup, Rahul took his place and was quite successful. However, Rahul lost his place to Dhawan who had recovered.

Now, Pant got injured, Rahul came in as a keeper in his place. But this time, Rahul became  the preferred choice and Pant is the second choice.

So, there it is, different yardsticks for different players. 

 rahane came back n took nair's place coz that was his place 

[sandeep]

12 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Laxman had two things against him, he was awful runner between the wickets and awful outfielder so he was rightfully dropped from 2003 squad which he still complains,

Agreed, but the VVS fan in me can't help but imagine what could have been if VVS was given the chance to bat #3 or higher, I think it was quite possible he could have done Hashim Amla managed to do in his prime.

[putrevus]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Be careful with ur word already u have said rahul is not talented which will bite u very hard very soon

So dont make a statement about a talent like pant 

were u sleeping in Wi series ???

He did well in WC semi final

He did well in Wi series 

 

The only series where he didnt was WI ODI tour 

 

Let me knw how many youngsters were consistent at the age of 21-22 , ill show ATG who were not till ages 

 

A guy who bats at s/r of 162 in IPL is not suited for LOI , didnt another day u wanted him to open.....abhi team men bhi khelne layak nhin 

Rahul just made a 80 in 52 balls that to against starc n cummins not a SL attack....already has a 100 at 4 in t20 

 

marnus labuschane avg 28 in first class and 37 in ListA and he in Aus side 

 

Have u ever seen a LIST A or Vijay hazare its one the most poorely organized tournament ...poor pitches a game every next day 

Same samson smoked SA-A

 

 

Same rahul who u said is not talented is now good enough to play over specialist keeper like pant, kishen n samson and then ur the one who cries most of specialist

 

The extent 

I am still saying same  Rahul the batsman is not good enough for odis,Rahul the keeper add that balance which this team needs. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, sandeep said:

Gangu's SR was abysmal, and he hid behind his captaincy and opening spot to camouflage it.  Dravid didn't have that luxury.  And as bad as Gangu's SR was, Dravid was definitely worse.  I remember doing some number crunching back in the day, and in that time-frame - late 90s, maybe even including early 2000s, Dravid's SR was in the 57-62 range.  

ganguly was considered a top batsman in that phase its during those last 2 yrs in captaincy where it started going down which again was 2004-05 .

 

Just now, sandeep said:

Also, do keep in mind that Gangu of the late 90s scored a lot of hundreds at the top of the order, and his SR problems didn't become obvious until 2003 or so.  Dravid was dropped from the ODI team, and deservingly so, in the late 90s.  To his credit, he really improved his ODI Batting a lot, and became a great mainstay for India.  But to claim that he was that already before the 'keeping stint - is a lie.

dravid was dropped around 97-98 i think but when he came back he was a improved player and he became our best batsman in 1999 Wc . 

he was a stay ....even when keepers like dighe played rahul was in XI . The guy was never dropped in that team even when regulalr keepers played.

 

N who was that great talent who wud push dravid out ?

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Agreed, but the VVS fan in me can't help but imagine what could have been if VVS was given the chance to bat #3 or higher, I think it was quite possible he could have done Hashim Amla managed to do in his prime.

VVS stuck his purple patch in 2004 where he smashed 4 -100s in a month but after that he started having injury issues and soon his form went down . He had back n knees issue . He was making ganguly bat at 4 but in that phase it wasnt much of a problem as tendulkar started getting injured and one place was vacant 

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Agreed, but the VVS fan in me can't help but imagine what could have been if VVS was given the chance to bat #3 or higher, I think it was quite possible he could have done Hashim Amla managed to do in his prime.

 I am a big fan of VVS but Dravid was the right choice for no3 in tests also.Laxman was too loose at no3 as John Wright summarised Laxman's career at no 3 from his innings of 32 against SA in Bloemfontein in 2001. He looked  like a million dollar man then one ball he is gone, you don't make runs sitting in pavilion.

 

That is where Ponting and Laxman differed, Ponting had that ability to keep that good ball or loose stroke away even while attacking.

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

i knew these nonsense were spread but still it was more due lack of option in keeping there was no other option to keep dravid out. No one till now has come with one name who after sachin, ganguly, dravid, sehwag, yuvi, kaif had demanded a place in that phase

Dinesh Mongia as a part timer and a lower order bat was the choice. Ganguly always kept him as the option. Wright also had this thing for bits and pieces player.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

Dinesh Mongia as a part timer and a lower order bat was the choice. Ganguly always kept him as the option. Wright also had this thing for bits and pieces player.

dinesh mongia runs was that 150+ a 50 against eng n WI in top order.....so again it never made him an option in lower order. Infact i think they started his Wc in middle then send him down n sent kaif up. Those 2-3 innings cant threaten a dravid place when 2 slots was avl then. 

 

Yea in true sense his role was exact bits n pieces ....i dont consider jadeja, hardik bits n pieces at all 

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 He looked  like a million dollar man then one ball he is gone, you don't make runs sitting in pavilion.

 

That is where Ponting and Laxman differed, Ponting had that ability to keep that good ball or loose stroke away even while attacking.

Same was the case with his fielding when he was fit ...he use to take blinders like this

 

but on days when he wasnt 100% which was a lot of days this happened

 

 

 

 

[rkt.india]

23 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Gangu's SR was abysmal, and he hid behind his captaincy and opening spot to camouflage it.  Dravid didn't have that luxury.  And as bad as Gangu's SR was, Dravid was definitely worse.  I remember doing some number crunching back in the day, and in that time-frame - late 90s, maybe even including early 2000s, Dravid's SR was in the 57-62 range.  

 

Also, do keep in mind that Gangu of the late 90s scored a lot of hundreds at the top of the order, and his SR problems didn't become obvious until 2003 or so.  Dravid was dropped from the ODI team, and deservingly so, in the late 90s.  To his credit, he really improved his ODI Batting a lot, and became a great mainstay for India.  But to claim that he was that already before the 'keeping stint - is a lie.

Dravid wasn't a wk in 99 wc. He had improved before that, was the top run getter in that WC. Keeping stint came few years after that. He was already an established player after that.

[putrevus]

10 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Dinesh Mongia as a part timer and a lower order bat was the choice. Ganguly always kept him as the option. Wright also had this thing for bits and pieces player.

Dinesh Mongia was not competing with Dravid for a spot,he was extra bowling option. If Dravid was making team as a batsman, he would have kicked Kaif or Yuvraj out of the team.Noway that was happening in that 2003 team.

Edited January 20, 2020 by putrevus

[putrevus]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Dravid wasn't a wk in 99 wc. He had improved before that, was the top run getter in that WC. Keeping stint came few years after that. He was already an established player after that.

He was not WK in 1999 but he was not making 2003 team if he was not WK.There was no way India was playing Dravid over other players.

 

8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Same was the case with his fielding when he was fit ...he use to take blinders like this

 

but on days when he wasnt 100% which was a lot of days this happened

 

 

 

 

Slip catching is not fielding.Laxman was a awful outfielder and much more awful runner between the wickets.

Edited January 20, 2020 by putrevus

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Who said Ishan and Samson are of international standards.

Who said they arent ? is there an international standards certifying organization in cricket ? Or did you see them playing international cricket ?