KL Rahul's shot selection challenge against spin

[sandeep]

Raoul looks a million dollars against pace bowlers, has no problem stepping through the gears and massacring them for boundaries.  However, he has a serious and persistent issue with figuring out his game-plans against spin.  

 

His first extended run in ODI cricket came at #4, where he was repeatedly dismissed by SL spin, especially early in his innings.  Even his debut test innings saw him dismissed to a silly shot played against a spinner.  Since then, we have seen him burst out of the starting blocks like a super-charged Tesla, but repeatedly meander into a Fiat Padmini in the 'middle' stage against spin.  At times, you can clearly see him attempting to play within himself, and set himself for the big innings - can't blame him for that, he knows quite well that he's not in the "senior" cabal yet, and needs to put big scores to firm up his position in the team as a starter.  At other times, you see him 'go hard' early and get himself out.  

 

To me, it doesn't seem to be a technical deficiency or an inability to play spin competently - its more of a mental problem where he's not able to clear his mind and commit to a batting method against spin.  This is an area where I expect teams to test him more and more, along with the well-disguised slower one at back of a length by medium-pacers.  He has been caught in the in-field off mis-timed shots and leading edges, a number of times already.  These 2 are the only available weaknesses for the opposition to target.  The rest of his batting game looks assured and sorted.  

[Ankit_sharma03]

In SL it was akila dananjaya mystery spinner ....his novelity caused him trouble. The next time he faced him he scored. 

The only issue i see is ever since his return he is a lil conscious while attacking them also not standing as straight as he use to. If he remains conscious he ll start to have same issues as dhoni had against spin . But as of now i dont see any big issue...he is surely getting out to them but its not alarming like iyer short ball problem. This is where anaylst shud come in see what exactly he is doing wrong. We have seen in past he has destroyed spinners in ipl or evn in that 199 against england. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

As of now my only 3 concerns about him 

 

1. Not having a fixed positions in odi

2. Bangar in commentary told he discussed with KL for odi that even if he scored 18-20 runs in 1st 10 overs in odis as he can still get a 100 by 40 overs. Now why wud u give a pattern to player like him. He shud play his natural game. Surely he has more time in ODi but doesnt mean he ll take it all.

3. Getting out in t20 after 40-50 a lot but this will work out very soon sure.

[jusarrived]

He has similar issues Virat had few years back , could chase down any total but relatively clueless when batting first . I think KL struggles when he does not have a set target , he consciously tries to slow down as that’s a text book thing to do after PPs . I think he should approach batting like English openers , not try to become like Sharma or Virat . Had he done that , he would have may be got a 100 or 2 in this series . 

[jusarrived]

8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

As of now my only 3 concerns about him 

 

1. Not having a fixed positions in odi

2. Bangar in commentary told he discussed with KL for odi that even if he scored 18-20 runs in 1st 10 overs in odis as he can still get a 100 by 40 overs. Now why wud u give a pattern to player like him. He shud play his natural game. Surely he has more time in ODi but doesnt mean he ll take it all.

3. Getting out in t20 after 40-50 a lot but this will work out very soon sure.

Why are they are telling this 90s approach to batting ? It’s not ok to get 18-20 in first 10 even if you score a 100 eventually . 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Why are they are telling this 90s approach to batting ? It’s not ok to get 18-20 in first 10 even if you score a 100 eventually . 

was baffled when bangar was telling this .....every player shud play their natural game. Which is why i was wondering why is he batting so slow in ODI and the same guy bats at 145 s.r in t20

[jusarrived]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

was baffled when bangar was telling this .....every player shud play their natural game. Which is why i was wondering why is he batting so slow in ODI and the same guy bats at 145 s.r in t20

I bet they have been telling pant the same as well . Unfortunately 2 biggest players in the team are more of a safety first approach batsmen and with their success , I guess that’s the only template recommended by coach for other batsmen . 

[vvvslaxman]

It is applicable for most of our batsmen. Nobody is at the  level of Sehwag.

[SUMO]

IMO Iyer is better at no.4 if two wickets fall before 30 overs. He can rotate strike very well against spinner and clear boundaries easily if bowled in his arc. 

Rahul can be utilised better in last 15-20 overs, this will give him time to get set for last 10 overs slog. Since he is not a regular wk, shouldnt be burdened with batting majority of the innings.

Rahul pant pandya can be solid finishers if they are handled well before next WC.

[velu]

told this multiple times..

he is pretty weak vs spin comparatively .. 

[velu]

10 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

In SL it was akila dananjaya mystery spinner ....his novelity caused him trouble. The next time he faced him he scored. 

The only issue i see is ever since his return he is a lil conscious while attacking them also not standing as straight as he use to. If he remains conscious he ll start to have same issues as dhoni had against spin . But as of now i dont see any big issue...he is surely getting out to them but its not alarming like iyer short ball problem. This is where anaylst shud come in see what exactly he is doing wrong. We have seen in past he has destroyed spinners in ipl or evn in that 199 against england. 

 

leaving out KLs problem vs spin ..

 

iyer is not raina .. raina always expects a short ball and get out to fuller deliveries , but iyer punishes fuller balls when bowler is mixing both short and fuller balls

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

32 minutes ago, velu said:

 

leaving out KLs problem vs spin ..

 

iyer is not raina .. raina always expects a short ball and get out to fuller deliveries , but iyer punishes fuller balls when bowler is mixing both short and fuller balls

 

Raina wasnt this raina also at start but his problem got worse n worse n it started affecting everything even his batting against spin

Iyer exploitation hasnt begun yet , it remains to be seen how he comes up against the challenge

[Lannister]

10 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

As of now my only 3 concerns about him 

 

1. Not having a fixed positions in odi

2. Bangar in commentary told he discussed with KL for odi that even if he scored 18-20 runs in 1st 10 overs in odis as he can still get a 100 by 40 overs. Now why wud u give a pattern to player like him. He shud play his natural game. Surely he has more time in ODi but doesnt mean he ll take it all.

3. Getting out in t20 after 40-50 a lot but this will work out very soon sure.

So this is what that dipshit Bangar was asking him to do? Making every player to follow Kohli's batting style. No wonder he lost his way by curbing his natural instinct to go after the bowlers.

 

In 2016-17, he was at his best natural game. F U Bangar.   

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Lannister said:

So this is what that dipshit Bangar was asking him to do? Making every player to follow Kohli's batting style. No wonder he lost his way by curbing his natural instinct to go after the bowlers.

 

In 2016-17, he was at his best natural game. F U Bangar.   

he didnt he asked him to but he said they discussed with him when he was getting out early in ODIs

IM sure TM has told him coz how can a guy who bats at 145 suddently starts to bat at 75+ s/r in ODI....

[Lannister]

 

 

 

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[Suhaan]

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Edited February 3, 2020 by Suhaan

[neel roy]

4 hours ago, velu said:

he is pretty weak vs spin comparatively .. 

The innings he played against australia in bangalore against lyon and o keefe won the series for india..best innings against spin under pressure ever in this decade..

Edited February 3, 2020 by neel roy

[velu]

31 minutes ago, neel roy said:

The innings he played against australia in bangalore against lyon and o keefe won the series for india..best innings against spin under pressure ever in this decade..

More than enough dismissals in shorter formats Vs  spin shows his weakness vs spin as well ..

[Global.Baba]

8 hours ago, velu said:

More than enough dismissals in shorter formats Vs  spin shows his weakness vs spin as well ..