Let's all laugh at ourselves

[putrevus]

18 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Whats the need of playing AR in the first place if you can field your best bowlers

Because your best bowlers are not running thru sides. They did go that route of playing bowlers only but that ruined that team balance.

 

On these flat pitches your best bowlers are also going for plenty.You will look stupid just like they did when Dhoni and Jadhav were playing for NRR instead of chasing that total as they knew they had nothing after them.Thakur was not playing in that match.

 

 

Edited February 5, 2020 by putrevus

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Because your best bowlers are not running thru sides. They did go that route of playing bowlers only but that ruined that team balance.

 

We defeated Australia in both the ODIs where we played Bumrah, Shami and Saini ... and dropped Thakur.

 

We lost both the ODIs against Australia and NZ when we dropped Saini for Thakur.

 

Looks like there is no issue with ODI team balance in the absence of Thakur.

 

 

 

[Vilander]

it was good not having the OP in the site, now we will have stupid posts again. 

 

Saini in place of Thakur is all that is needed, 

[rock777]

1 minute ago, Vilander said:

it was good not having the OP in the site, now we will have stupid posts again. 

 

Saini in place of Thakur is all that is needed, 

[ganeshran]

29 minutes ago, Vilander said:

it was good not having the OP in the site, now we will have stupid posts again. 

 

Saini in place of Thakur is all that is needed, 

lol talk about zero self awareness 

Edited February 5, 2020 by ganeshran

[Vilander]

3 minutes ago, ganeshran said:

lol talk about zero self awareness 

what ever stop boring everyone here..run along

[ganeshran]

Just now, Vilander said:

what ever stop boring everyone here..run along

here's your cookie. good post.. Well done. 

[putrevus]

35 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

We defeated Australia in both the ODIs where we played Bumrah, Shami and Saini ... and dropped Thakur.

 

We lost both the ODIs against Australia and NZ when we dropped Saini for Thakur.

 

Looks like there is no issue with ODI team balance in the absence of Thakur.

 

 

 

Yes in those odis, you had Rohit Sharma, Dhawan playing and  not two debutants opening for India. Other than Kohli none of the top 5 batsmen in this team have played more than 30 matches. 

 

So they wanted to bolster their batting a bit.Question to you would Saini playing today would have won you the match???

[singhprakash72]

Take it easy guys...they can't win all the matches. ODI bowling was never our strength with only exception being Bumrah.  It was good batting pitch and team chasing (unless total > 380-400 ) always has advantage.

[express bowling]

43 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

So they wanted to bolster their batting a bit.Question to you would Saini playing today would have won you the match???

 

We would have bowled better  ... and our probability of win would have increased.

[putrevus]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

We would have bowled better  ... and our probability of win would have increased.

Everyone knows they would have bowled better.

TM has to the job  finding that balance .If they were chasing big score and had couple of wickets down early then the long batting helps. Given the circumstances two debutants they chose Thakur over Saini.

He has played 9 insignificant matches so him playing or not playing is not a big deal in the big picture.

[Vickydev]

The team suffers when Bumrah is having an off day, simply put we are too dependant on him as Shami when targetted by the opposition can be all over the place. The bowling looks toothless, need more wicket taking options. 

[prudent_kreeda]

5 minutes ago, Vickydev said:

The team suffers when Bumrah is having an off day, simply put we are too dependant on him as Shami when targetted by the opposition can be all over the place. The bowling looks toothless, need more wicket taking options. 

      A big reason for that is the decline of our spinners . Novelty factor gone . Just look at their stats since 2019 Aus tour  to India . Its pathetic . 

      I think India should look at other spinning options and rotate all these bowlers so that they are not over exposed when their confidence is down . 

      They are neither able to keep RR down nor take wickets as earlier .  All opposition spinners  have done better than  these in every recent series .

      Time to try Gowtham in 50 overs for some matches , Gopal  in T20  for some matches . Meanwhile  let  Kulcha slog their ass out and bring in some 

      sharpness to their bowling and more trickery .

       

[Vickydev]

4 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

      A big reason for that is the decline of our spinners . Novelty factor gone . Just look at their stats since 2019 Aus tour  to India . Its pathetic . 

      I think India should look at other spinning options and rotate all these bowlers so that they are not over exposed when their confidence is down . 

      They are neither able to keep RR down nor take wickets as earlier .  All opposition spinners  have done better than  these in every recent series .

      Time to try Gowtham in 50 overs for some matches , Gopal  in T20  for some matches . Meanwhile  let  Kulcha slog their ass out and bring in some 

      sharpness to their bowling and more trickery .

       

Yes getting a wicket taking spinner is paramount right now. Indian spinners are getting outbowled by everyone.

[express bowling]

43 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Everyone knows they would have bowled better.

TM has to the job  finding that balance .If they were chasing big score and had couple of wickets down early then the long batting helps. Given the circumstances two debutants they chose Thakur over Saini.

He has played 9 insignificant matches so him playing or not playing is not a big deal in the big picture.

 

In the first ODI vs Australia, we saw Shardul play ... so it is not as if he plays only if there are 2 debutante.

 

Just 9 matches is a matter of the past.  In the future, Thakur will play lots of matches in all likelihood.

 

4 specialist bowlers must be good bowlers. There should be no compromise on this issue. Thakur scoring 5 or 10 extra runs won't help if he gives away 25 extra runs and picks fewer wickets.  

 

 

[kohli]

4 hours ago, putrevus said:

Did you check their SRs  Thakur is 162 and Shami is 80 . 

Did you check bowling economy rate 

[putrevus]

53 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

In the first ODI vs Australia, we saw Shardul play ... so it is not as if he plays only if there are 2 debutante.

 

Just 9 matches is a matter of the past.  In the future, Thakur will play lots of matches in all likelihood.

 

4 specialist bowlers must be good bowlers. There should be no compromise on this issue. Thakur scoring 5 or 10 extra runs won't help if he gives away 25 extra runs and picks fewer wickets.  

 

 

I completely agree with you Thakur should not play in any matches for India but given circumstances they chose him.Is it the biggest blunder commited by them?? They did play 4 specilist bowlers, the problem is Jadeja is also not a wicket taker in odis in these conditions.

 

Kuldeep has regressed a lot while not improving anything on batting. Shami is a hit a miss, Saini is unknown Bumrah is only bowler who can control run rate. He has not taken many wickets on these sorts of pitches and important matches .Do we have out and out wicket taker in fast bowlers?

Edited February 5, 2020 by putrevus

[ShoonyaSifar]

We can keep blaming Shardul, Shami or Kuldeep but root cause of such embarrassing defeats is our motormouth captain. Looks clueless when opposition attacks and keeps waiting for batsmen to make mistakes.

 

[cowboysfan]

drop kulcha altogether, try out some young players. they cant be any worse. 

[putrevus]

10 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

drop kulcha altogether, try out some young players. they cant be any worse. 

Kuldeep is turning into another Amit Mishra, who was so slow thru air that batsmen even after getting beat had time to adjust their shots.