Team A vs Team B

[Nikola]

3 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Nothing special in Odis and Tests ? lol 

 

Guy averages 59 in ODI in 248 matches. He is prob the best ODI player in the history of cricket. 

 

Test :

- Dominated England in England last series, Highest run scorer

- Won India's only Test series in AUS as a captain and did well very even in that series

- Highest run scorer in RSA series last time we toured there 

 

Only place he didn't do well was NZ in last series.  Man has an average of 54 and 50+ in all other formats. This is bit too much now. 

Read again. I said when compared with other greats. That means he is similar to say what kallis or dravid or sachin was in tests. Prolific run scorer but not match winner in overseas conditions. No doubt on his batting ability in any conditions but more on match winning from pressure situation in tests.

 

In odis he has to perform in one worldcup like stokes or smith has done recently to be considered like top level odi cricketer. Atm he might be in top 5 all time odi players list.

[Stan AF]

There's a myth that Kohli is actually better than Rohit in T20s (sure he hasn't performed well in recent wcs) but the fact of the matter remains that Rohit is an actual T20 WC winner.

 

As a 19 year old, Rohit played 2 important knocks which were crucial in helping our team win the WC. The first game(must win game , if i remember correctly) he played against SA he hit an all important 50 and he helped us in winning over SA and made us sure we entered the semis. He was MOTM in that game.

 

In the final against Pakistan, he made a crucial 30(16)* coming into bat at #5 or 6, can't remember exactly and his late innings flourish was the reason why we made those crucial runs. Our victory margin was 5 or 6 runs over pakistan btw.

 

I'd rate these 2 crucial knockout performances over kohli's anyday.

 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Stan AF

[Norman]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

What I find funny is that they actually think there's a competition between kohli and Sharma as a batsman.

As an all format batsman? Yes you're right. There's absolutely no comparison. 

But in ODIs and T20s, there certainly is. In fact, Rohit's impact have been bigger than Kohli's in LOIs in the last three or so years. 

 

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

I don't believe in this choker s*** and all but if you believe kohli is a choker than what about sharma?

 

Agree again. Both are chokers but Kohli is the bigger one. Period. He has done well in the Wt20s but that's about it. Rohit has hundreds in a wc knockout, a CT knockout and was unbelievable in the last world cup. That cancels out Kohli's wt20 heroics. 

 

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

T20s-

Kohli>>>Sharma

ODIs

Kohli>Sharma.

 

Nope. Rohit has better record in both the formats in the last couple of years. 

 

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

Sharma's batting capability is so much limited to flat batting conditions that I won't even keep him above babar let alone kohli

 

95% of the wickets in white ball cricket are flat. So anyone with a functional brain will chose Rohit over Kohli simply because of his ability to put on the 140s and 170s. Most will pick Rohit over Kohli anyday in their ODI team. 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Norman

[adi B]

Depends ,if it's a normal match then Team A anyday over team B but if it's a Final ,I'd rather prefer Team B ,pretty sure Kohli would choke and it would be 2 vs 3 lol 

[Sandeep99]

Team B because Team A has the biggest choker the world ever witnessed. Starc or Stokes won't be able to save the match with this loser around.

[Rasgulla]

54 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Read again. I said when compared with other greats. That means he is similar to say what kallis or dravid or sachin was in tests. Prolific run scorer but not match winner in overseas conditions. No doubt on his batting ability in any conditions but more on match winning from pressure situation in tests.

 

In odis he has to perform in one worldcup like stokes or smith has done recently to be considered like top level odi cricketer. Atm he might be in top 5 all time odi players list.

I just pointed out what he did overseas yet you claim "Not a match winner in overseas conditions"

 

[Rasgulla]

50 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

There's a myth that Kohli is actually better than Rohit in T20s (sure he hasn't performed well in recent wcs) but the fact of the matter remains that Rohit is an actual T20 WC winner.

 

As a 19 year old, Rohit played 2 important knocks which were crucial in helping our team win the WC. The first game(must win game , if i remember correctly) he played against SA he hit an all important 50 and he helped us in winning over SA and made us sure we entered the semis. He was MOTM in that game.

 

In the final against Pakistan, he made a crucial 30(16)* coming into bat at #5 or 6, can't remember exactly and his late innings flourish was the reason why we made those crucial runs. Our victory margin was 5 or 6 runs over pakistan btw.

 

I'd rate these 2 crucial knockout performances over kohli's anyday.

 

The fact that you had to go all the way back to 2007 to list out says he did * in last 10 years.  Kohli without a question is the undisputed match winner in T20Is

[Nikola]

22 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

I just pointed out what he did overseas yet you claim "Not a match winner in overseas conditions"

 

Since Kohli's debut there have been many better match winners.

 

  (Matches won in away conditions since Kohli's debut, Bangladesh & Zimbabwe excl)

 

It's clear kohli has missed many chances to win matches. Of course he has played great knocks but 3 match winning tons in away conditions out of which only one in SENA country is pretty low for player of his caliber.

[Ajju]

1 hour ago, Norman said:

As an all format batsman? Yes you're right. There's absolutely no comparison. 

But in ODIs and T20s, there certainly is. In fact, Rohit's impact have been bigger than Kohli's in LOIs in the last three or so years. 

 

 

Agree again. Both are chokers but Kohli is the bigger one. Period. He has done well in the Wt20s but that's about it. Rohit has hundreds in a wc knockout, a CT knockout and was unbelievable in the last world cup. That cancels out Kohli's wt20 heroics. 

 

 

Nope. Rohit has better record in both the formats in the last couple of years. 

 

 

95% of the wickets in white ball cricket are flat. So anyone with a functional brain will chose Rohit over Kohli simply because of his ability to put on the 140s and 170s. Most will pick Rohit over Kohli anyday in their ODI team. 

 

[Ajju]

Both KOHLI and Rohit chokers but ROHITH won the T20 wc

[Rasgulla]

57 minutes ago, Ajju said:

Both KOHLI and Rohit chokers but ROHITH won the T20 wc

Kohli won main WC

[kohli]

Boult is also choker 

[Adamant]

1 hour ago, Ajju said:

Both KOHLI and Rohit chokers but ROHITH won the T20 wc

By that logic kohli won a 50 over world cup .

[Adamant]

3 hours ago, Nikola said:

You can go on twitter & facebook and do bhangra for his paytm & pan bahar series stats. In odis & tests kohli is nothing special when compared with other greats yet. His best chance is 2023 worldcup. In t20s i agree he has performed really well.

So basically you are accusing me of doing bhangra over bilateral stats but you yourself consider him a top 5 odi player of all time.LOL

Top 5 is apt,when did I say that he is better than viv or tendua.If he performs well in 2023 world cup ,he will become the GOAT.

[Adamant]

3 hours ago, Stan AF said:

There's a myth that Kohli is actually better than Rohit in T20s (sure he hasn't performed well in recent wcs) but the fact of the matter remains that Rohit is an actual T20 WC winner.

 

As a 19 year old, Rohit played 2 important knocks which were crucial in helping our team win the WC. The first game(must win game , if i remember correctly) he played against SA he hit an all important 50 and he helped us in winning over SA and made us sure we entered the semis. He was MOTM in that game.

 

In the final against Pakistan, he made a crucial 30(16)* coming into bat at #5 or 6, can't remember exactly and his late innings flourish was the reason why we made those crucial runs. Our victory margin was 5 or 6 runs over pakistan btw.

 

I'd rate these 2 crucial knockout performances over kohli's anyday.

 

Do you remember the virtual quarter final between India and Australia?

Anyone who saw that innings rates it amongst all time great T20 innings.

Rohit played a good cameo but it's nowhere near virat kohlis innings.

 

Secondly ,Joginder Sharma was also a world Cup winner ,so is he better than bumrah?LOL

 

Rohit has no answer to kohlis performance in 14 and 16 world cup.

 

Actually Rohit Sharma is not even the second best T20 batsman in the team.

In t20s-

1.Kohli

2.Rahul(can get to the top)

3.Sharma.

[Adamant]

2 hours ago, Nikola said:

Since Kohli's debut there have been many better match winners.

 

  (Matches won in away conditions since Kohli's debut, Bangladesh & Zimbabwe excl)

 

It's clear kohli has missed many chances to win matches. Of course he has played great knocks but 3 match winning tons in away conditions out of which only one in SENA country is pretty low for player of his caliber.

This criteria is easily the worst ,it tells us nothing.

I believe in the soft runs and tough runs theory . A great batsman is expected to score tough runs , that's all what he can do rest is upto the bowlers and other batsman.

Now tell me how is kohlis 149 in eng first test not a great innings,those were actual tough runs.

Similarly kohlis 153 in Sa,120 odd in challenging Perth conditions all of these were tough runs.

I am the first one to acknowledge that he has made too many soft runs in home tests.yes,but in away conditions he has done more than what was expected of him.

 

Dominating a series is another aspect:

Kohli  scored nearly 600 in eng and 650 in aus on a single tour ,sachin Tendulkar after 200 tests didn't even score 500+ once in a series.

[New guy]

44 minutes ago, Adamant said:

This criteria is easily the worst ,it tells us nothing.

I believe in the soft runs and tough runs theory . A great batsman is expected to score tough runs , that's all what he can do rest is upto the bowlers and other batsman.

Now tell me how is kohlis 149 in eng first test not a great innings,those were actual tough runs.

Similarly kohlis 153 in Sa,120 odd in challenging Perth conditions all of these were tough runs.

I am the first one to acknowledge that he has made too many soft runs in home tests.yes,but in away conditions he has done more than what was expected of him.

 

Dominating a series is another aspect:

Kohli  scored nearly 600 in eng and 650 in aus on a single tour ,sachin Tendulkar after 200 tests didn't even score 500+ once in a series.

Sachin in his prime barely got to play test series with 5 matches. He scored 403 in a 2 match series and 493 in a 3 match series. You really think he wouldn't have scored 5 more run in 4 innings? In fact in his entire career, Sachin has only played 3 5 match series, one in 91, one in 97 and 1 in 2002

Edited August 10, 2020 by New guy

[zen]

7 hours ago, Adamant said:

I like Rohit fans.

What I find funny is that they actually think there's a competition between kohli and Sharma as a batsman.

Many of them are Sachin fans who use Sharma to write against Kohli 

[maniac]

4 minutes ago, zen said:

Many of them are Sachin fans who use Sharma to write against Kohli 

Or passionate cricket fans who see things rationally

[Adamant]

23 minutes ago, New guy said:

Sachin in his prime barely got to play test series with 5 matches. He scored 403 in a 2 match series and 493 in a 3 match series. You really think he wouldn't have scored 5 more run in 4 innings? In fact in his entire career, Sachin has only played 3 5 match series, one in 91, one in 97 and 1 in 2002

That was in no way a jibe on sachin,I was merely giving an example .